Mercede Benz engine MBE260

workaholic48

Expert Expediter
Hello everyone!! Looking to buy an expedite truck with a MBE 260.
So I have a few questions and wonder if anybody can help. (1) Are these engines prone to a lot of breakdowns? (2)This sounds like a foringe made engine from Germany, and are they expensive to repair? (3)What sort of reputation do they have among expediters? (4)How reliable are they? (5)Can you expect 500K miles with them as long as you do all of the required maintanence?
Thanks in advance!


Workaholic48
 

usafk9

Veteran Expediter
I have one, and like it thus far.

Every opinion I've read states that the engine's destined to be a boat anchor after 400k on the clock. Mine has 430k, and shows no signs of dying anytime soon. There are a few here who have responded with 500 and 600k, and they're still running. A friend of ours met up with someone recently with 930k on the clock.

Owner's manual says maintain every 20k; I do mine every 12. I am the 3rd owner of my truck, and know the previous 2 were just as picky.

There are no sleeves in the cylinders, and Mercedes/Detroit/Freightliner has told me no rebuild. However, I have been told by a Mercedes shop that a Cat dealer in Michigan has done a few. I called and asked for a price, and have never gotten a call back.

I have been quoted from $16k to $25k, including labor, to replace. I WILL replace mine, when the time comes. There's nothing wrong with the truck.

The tradeoffs, IMHO: Motor's not made for pulling heavy weight. I've done a few 13,000# loads, and she labored, but performed. Not something I'd do regularly, or really have to. Definitely not made for that. Unknown if rebuildable, or has to be replaced. That being said, I get 11+ mpg. I'm limited to 65 mph. While I haven't crunched numbers, I believe the fuel economy more than pays for a new engine over it's life span.

Things I don't like:
PM's are costly. The centrifugal oil filter alone is $45-50. Regular PM's at Speedco, without replacing the fuel/water seperator element are $224. Class 8 trucks are less. I'm switching over to a bypass system when I go home.

Injector lines-The early ones are known to vibrate loose, spraying fuel everywhere. Ask me how I know. There is a repair "kit" available at Freightliner, with vibration dampers, and even covered under a recall, if your serial number fits. Mine didn't....how curious. $460.

EGR coolers- early ones fraught with problems, and were almost guaranteed to go every 80k miles. My last one went over 150. I'm told they are better engineered now, and have even heard there is a check valve fix that completely eliminates the problem. Part is just under a grand, half a day's labor on top.

They're nutless, as mentioned above. However, we rarely haul anything over 6-7000# weight, so are okay in my book.

I think they're great in an entry-level truck, but I would not own them as part of a fleet, or spec a truck with one, unless it was the higher horsepower version. Mine's been good to me, but I have been good to it. I pamper it.

DaveKC has some insight on them, I believe.

Hope this helps.

AJ
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Welcome to EO. Not sure if you are talking about the MBE 900-260? But if you are ...

(1) Are these engines prone to a lot of breakdowns?

Not that I know of, they are as reliable as any other Detroit Diesel engine.

(2)This sounds like a foringe made engine from Germany, and are they expensive to repair?

I know that they are built in Redford Michigan, pretty cool plant. But may be also built in the other four plants.

All engines are expensive to repair but Cat being at the top of the list and Cummins near the bottom, I would say Mercedes engines are about just above the middle.

Remember that Mercedes has been making Diesel engines for longer than any American company (they started in 1909), Cat started in the 30's and Cummins in 20's.

(3)What sort of reputation do they have among expediters?

Good question, I don't know but others do. I own Cummins.

(4)How reliable are they?

See above

(5)Can you expect 500K miles with them as long as you do all of the required maintanence?

Yep as with anything, it all depends on how you drive it and how you take care of it. Also as with any engine, the Luck factor is involved - that is two engines on the same line being built at the same time can act differently, one can give the owner years of trouble free service and the other is nothing but problems.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
My MBE 900 is an '07, pre-DPF, 250hp. It's got 317k on it and has been very dependable so far. The only repair was an EGR cooler when it was still under warranty. Fuel mileage is good, about 10.5 most of the time. It ain't got tons of power, but I did pass a Hino going up Fancy Gap a couple of weeks ago!
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
As to whether it is a decent buy depends on the mileage and how well it was taken car of. Kinda of a gamble if their are no records. Some info might be dug up with just the serial number and calling Freightliner on a history.

With that said, usafk9 is right. The later models have been more durable than it predecessor. They were as mentioned plagued with enough problems that they were dropped and replaced with Cummins by several dealers. Biggest issues were EGR, turbo, and fuel problems.

Contrary to popular believe, the blocks can be salvaged like a small block cat IF, the cylinders aren't sored too bad and meet manufacturers specs to be honed and re-sleeved. Depending on the shop, expect 200-300 per cylinder. If it is in a M2, you likely have to pull the block to do the back cylinders. You may lose some displacement, but it should be minimal.

With that said, if the vehicle is over 300k, I would make sure you have adequate reserves for such a repair and the associated downtime.
 
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