Maybe another change coming?

dalejrroks · Jan 16, 2014

I was looking through forum posts doing what so many of you recommend about doing some research when getting into expediting and one thing led me to another and found this on OOIDA. ATA, Minnesota Trucking Association Request Sleeper Berth Pilot Project - TopNews - Safety & Compliance - TopNews - TruckingInfo.com Wonder if it will get anywhere?

blackpup · Jan 17, 2014

I have seen posts by team drivers, that thought the 5 on 5 off sleeper berth rule was great. My thought is if you are sleepy , then sleep .

jimmy

dalejrroks · Jan 17, 2014

I agree completely however can you actually do that with the new hours of service rules?

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blackpup · Jan 17, 2014

dalejrroks said:
I agree completely however can you actually do that with the new hours of service rules?

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Nope , not according to my very limited understanding of the Hours of Service

jimmy

layoutshooter · Jan 17, 2014

I miss the 5x5 rule, even that was too restrictive. Tell me how many hours we can work/drive in 24, then, let us handle our hours to fit how we feel. We know better than ANY government agency or university study will ever know.

KickStarter6 · Jan 17, 2014

layoutshooter said:
I miss the 5x5 rule, even that was too restrictive. Tell me how many hours we can work/drive in 24, then, let us handle our hours to fit how we feel. We know better than ANY government agency or university study will ever know.

I would also like to add that I feel that way about dispatchers at times too

layoutshooter · Jan 17, 2014

KickStarter6 said:
I would also like to add that I feel that way about dispatchers at times too

For the most part, dispatchers, university researchers and government regulators, have NO real life experience. What do you expect? Competence?

cheri1122 · Jan 17, 2014

layoutshooter said:
For the most part, dispatchers, university researchers and government regulators, have NO real life experience. What do you expect? Competence?

What on earth does "real life experience" [however you define that] have to do with performing the job one is paid to do? I believe 'the boss' has a leeetle bit more relevance...
In reply to your question, yes, I do. And while the results from government regulators are frequently disappointing [ok, infuriating!], the dispatchers I work with now are pretty dam good. They don't like the HOS any more than we do, and for the same reason: it makes a simple job complicated, for no real benefit.

layoutshooter · Jan 17, 2014

cheri1122 said:
What on earth does "real life experience" [however you define that] have to do with performing the job one is paid to do? I believe 'the boss' has a leeetle bit more relevance...
In reply to your question, yes, I do. And while the results from government regulators are frequently disappointing [ok, infuriating!], the dispatchers I work with now are pretty dam good. They don't like the HOS any more than we do, and for the same reason: it makes a simple job complicated, for no real benefit.

Real life is having driven and doing the job we do. If you don't understand that, you should be a regulator.

xiggi · Jan 17, 2014

cheri1122 said:
What on earth does "real life experience" [however you define that] have to do with performing the job one is paid to do? I believe 'the boss' has a leeetle bit more relevance...
In reply to your question, yes, I do. And while the results from government regulators are frequently disappointing [ok, infuriating!], the dispatchers I work with now are pretty dam good. They don't like the HOS any more than we do, and for the same reason: it makes a simple job complicated, for no real benefit.

I think he is saying he would be terrible at those jobs because he has no experience at them.

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layoutshooter · Jan 17, 2014

Experience:

American Patrol - YouTube

Inexperince

Barack Obama Singing "Get Lucky" by Daft Punk (Original) - YouTube

In other words, quality vs. crap

layoutshooter · Jan 17, 2014

xiggi said:
I think he is saying he would be terrible at those jobs because he has no experience at them.

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I am saying that those who have never done should never rule.

cheri1122 · Jan 18, 2014

layoutshooter said:
I am saying that those who have never done should never rule.

You've never hear of the 'Peter Principle', lol. [Where one is promoted for doing a good job, into a job where the duties are different, and the same one can be quite incompetent].
It isn't necessary for the rule makers to have done the job, [just ask any union, lol], but it is necessary that they understand the reality of it, which generally occurs by paying careful attention to those who actually do the job. FMCSA just doesn't 'get' this.