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Not at all true and even if it were it doesn't change the point.
 

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The insanity continues....

Yes, the insanity continues of allowing the left to control the narrative, the agenda, and the laws. Go back 61 years and guess what. Anyone could walk into pretty much any Western Auto, Sears and many other stores, walk up to the counter, and buy a gun, taking it home with them. No yellow form or other hassles, just pay the money and take your purchase, like every other purchase. And guess what, pretty much zero mass shootings. Hmmm, what else did we have 61 years ago. Prayer in school. Corporal punishment in school. Accountability and discipline in school. Actual decent human beings, if a bit misguided, on the left.

And then what happened? 60 years ago prayer was banned in school. 59 years ago JFK was killed and along with him the democrat party. 58 years ago the gun control act was put in place to significantly infringe on law-abiding honest citizens while doing nothing to criminals except making their jobs easier. And it's been a leftward and downward spiral ever since.
 

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Yes, the insanity continues of allowing the left to control the narrative, the agenda, and the laws. Go back 61 years and guess what. Anyone could walk into pretty much any Western Auto, Sears and many other stores, walk up to the counter, and buy a gun, taking it home with them. No yellow form or other hassles, just pay the money and take your purchase, like every other purchase. And guess what, pretty much zero mass shootings. Hmmm, what else did we have 61 years ago. Prayer in school. Corporal punishment in school. Accountability and discipline in school. Actual decent human beings, if a bit misguided, on the left.

And then what happened? 60 years ago prayer was banned in school. 59 years ago JFK was killed and along with him the democrat party. 58 years ago the gun control act was put in place to significantly infringe on law-abiding honest citizens while doing nothing to criminals except making their jobs easier. And it's been a leftward and downward spiral ever since.
Whaa whaa whaa

Instead of living in the past, quit playing politics with these tragic events and help solve the problem.
 

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Whaa whaa whaa

Instead of living in the past, quit playing politics with these tragic events and help solve the problem.
The past is the solution. And it is the left who plays politics with these events. The left blocks many solutions because they don't fit the narrative and promote the actual agenda of gun bans. That's the goal and frankly the left doesn't care how many have to die to get their gun bans. Take away the bad choices and decisions that got us here and you take away the problem. Something the left is far to feeble and weak minded to comprehend.
 
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The past is the solution. And it is the left who plays politics with these events. The left blocks many solutions because they don't fit the narrative and promote the actual agenda of gun bans. That's the goal and frankly the left doesn't care how many have to die to get their gun bans. Take away the bad choices and decisions that got us here and you take away the problem. Something the left is far to feeble and weak minded to comprehend.
What a piece of shlt response. Typical.
10 children were murdered today and this is all the gun toting wackos can say.

How sad.
 
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19 kids 2 adults killed and so far the 18 year old shooter bought the guns legally....gun control is not working what we need is better parent control.
Let the parents control their kids.
Let schools spank kids and expel uncontrollable kids and hold parents responsible.
Toledo public schools actually has a last chance school where those who are unruly are sent... and you really do not want that on your school record.
What we need is to have child protection services to butt out of how a child is raised unless a report is made.....let parents teach these kids that there are consequences for their actions.
 
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Gentleman, we are a country that kills babies in the womb and some in the classroom,,,sad on both counts.........
 
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What a piece of shlt response. Typical.
10 children were murdered today and this is all the gun toting wackos can say.

How sad.
This is yet another response that contributes nothing to the discussion, other than derision of others.
 

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Pilgrim touched on it. Attack the post, fine. Attack the poster, not so much.

Mass shootings are a complex problem requiring far more than a simple knee-jerk emotional resolution. This shooting is but one more in a nauseatingly long list of mass shootings where, without knowing a single thing about the shooter of their motivations, people are able to immediately politicize it, place blame, and offer up solutions they can't even rationally and intelligently defend.
 

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We will find out more about the shooter in the coming days and weeks, since he purchased the guns legally there must have been no big red flags in his past but at 18, pretty much anything that he might have done would have been on his juvenile record so do they check that?

But who knows maybe this guy didnt show anyone who he really was and something triggered him and he decided that he had enough.

The fact that he chose an elementary school shows he wanted to shoot at people who would not shoot back. Unfortunately these kinds of things are going to keep happening and will be more frequent until we as a society (not government forced) decide that guns are not needed anymore.

It all comes down to human nature and the desire for power, guns=power and most will not give up their (perceived) power
 
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Personally, I'm still waiting to hear some confirmed background info on this shooter. That said, it's a slam dunk that he had a history of mental issues that nobody would or could address - just like the church shooter in NY. Somebody knew this kid was nuts but they didn't/couldn't deal with him. This includes law enforcement whose hands are tied until after a disaster happens. These attacks can be prevented but like Turtle said, it's a complicated issue, and it appears politicians and law enforcement don't really want to deal with it.
 
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Democrats want even more gun control lol and yet the buffalo shooter and the one in texas both legally bought the guns.....
 

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We will find out more about the shooter in the coming days and weeks, since he purchased the guns legally there must have been no big red flags in his past but at 18, pretty much anything that he might have done would have been on his juvenile record so do they check that?
Yes, if there were felonies or drug offenses, or if he had been in a mental institution. However, this can vary from state to state. The gun dealer should have questioned why this kid barely 18 was buying two rifles. Also, where did this kid get the money and what kind of ID did he have? Did he have a drivers license with a current address? He supposedly was living with his grandparents after a falling-out with his mother (red flag). Why did he shoot his grandmother? Is there a grandfather involved?
The fact that he chose an elementary school shows he wanted to shoot at people who would not shoot back. Unfortunately these kinds of things are going to keep happening and will be more frequent until we as a society (not government forced) decide that guns are not needed anymore.
There's the "blame guns" argument again, and once again it totally misses the point. There are bad, crazy people in our society who see no value in life and will take the lives of innocent strangers for whatever reasons their warped minds create. These people who were once placed in institutions are now tolerated for some reason, maybe because "judging" them would infringe upon their rights. We need to recognize that this kind of evil exists among us and we need to guard against it. Therefore, we need to offer our children the same levels of protection we provide for our banks and our politicians in state and federal buildings. I'm talking about armed guards and limited entrances and exits to school property. The school in Uvalde had neither. The shooter entered through an unlocked door.
It all comes down to human nature and the desire for power, guns=power and most will not give up their (perceived) power
A non-sequitur. To this insane individual the rifles were a means to an end. He could've walked into the school and killed these kids with a bomb. The vast majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens who use firearms for protection or sporting activities, which BTW is a constitutional right.
 

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I never blamed the guns, the epidemic of mental illness is the problem, guns are just an easy tool to cause the most death and destruction when the ill person decides he (or she) has had enough. There are so many people who are mentally ill that we could never build enough institutions to hold them all, and who would pay for it?

An armed guard at schools would help but would probably only slow someone like this down, take the cop by surprise and he would just be the first fatality.

Where there is a will there is a way, and anything you do to stop things like this from happening can be overcome with enough forethought.

People need to speak up and report people to the authorities who they believe are ill and might do something like this, next time one of the dead might be someone you love.
 
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