Markets' winning streak at six weeks

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
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Stock markets finished higher yesterday after another batch of financial earnings in the United States breezed past expectations.

Toronto's S&P/TSX composite index moved up 94.28 points to 9,437.65, up 251 points, or 2.7 per cent for this week.

The rally that started March 10 has lifted the TSX and the Dow industrials up by about 24 per cent.

The TSX Venture Exchange edged up 7.1 points to 989.23. The Canadian dollar was down 0.37 of a cent (U.S.) to 82.3 cents amid signs of lower inflation. Statistics Canada reported the inflation rate dipped to 1.2 per cent in March.

New York's Dow Jones industrial average rose 5.9 points to 8,131.33.

The Nasdaq composite gained 2.63 points to 1,673.07 as the technology-heavy index got some lift from a better-than-expected earnings report from Google Inc.

The S&P 500 index gained 4.3 points to 869.6 after Citigroup, widely considered the most troubled large U.S. bank, said its loss per share in the first three months of 2009 was 18 cents, narrower than the 34 cents analysts were predicting. Its stock fell 36 cents to $3.65.

For the week, the S&P 500 rose 1.5 per cent, the Dow climbed 0.6 per cent and the Nasdaq gained 1.2 per cent.

General Electric shares rose 12 cents to $12.39 after it reported earnings per share of 26 cents, ahead of the 21 cents analysts expected.

Citigroup's results followed upbeat reports in recent days by JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo and Goldman Sachs.

"They actually did what they said they were going to do," said Kate Warne, Canadian market specialist at Edward Jones in St. Louis, Mo.

She added that moves in Citigroup and GE shares were muted because "it's unrealistic to expect a positive reaction to every company coming in a little bit above expectations – and expectations are low."
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Well it appears some people in the financial markets think it might be being "Manipulated".... you know the "conspiracy theroies".....

You might want to read the links within the article also...some for some against....

Eben Esterhuizen
Kapitall.com

Posted April 14, 2009 | 12:20 PM (EST)

Eben Esterhuizen: Conspiracy? Is Goldman Sachs Running the Plunge Protection Team?

Conspiracy? Is Goldman Sachs Running the Plunge Protection Team?

Read More: Conspiracy Theories, Goldman Sachs, Plunge Protection Team, Business News

Is the current stock market rebound based on fundamentals, or are more sinister forces at work? Tyler Durden, one of the best financial bloggers around, have found some circumstantial evidence that suggests the mysterious Plunge Protection Team (PPT) has recently been boosting the stock market. And some might say Goldman Sachs is running the show...

The Working Group on Financial Markets, ( Working Group on Financial Markets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) known colloquially as the Plunge Protection Team (PPT), was created in 1988 by Ronald Reagan, in response to the Black Monday stock market crash in 1987. Their operations have always been shrouded in secrecy, with a Washington Post article from 1997 ( washingtonpost.com: Plunge Protection Team ) writing that the group aims to prevent the "smoothly running global financial machine" from locking up.

Conspiracy theorists have long claimed that the PPT manipulates U.S. stock markets by using government funds to buy stocks in the event of market dislocation, but skeptics argue that such an operation would be unworkable.

Durden, author of the ZeroHedge blog ( Zero Hedge ), thinks he found some evidence of the PPT's interference with the market. He cites an unusual piece of data on program trading, a part of the stock market that is controlled by mysterious computer programs that use mathematical formulas to buy and sell stocks.

According to the New York Stock Exchange, last week's volume of program trading was 8% higher than the 52 week average. It's strange that program trading volume would be increasing so sharply when overall market volume is declining, says Durden. It's even stranger to note that principal trading, which occurs when a brokerage buys or sells stocks for its own account, is running 21% above 52 week average. New York Stock Exchange weekly volume, on the other hand, is running about 9% below 52 week average.

"A very interesting data point, also provided by the NYSE, implicates none other than administration darling Goldman Sachs in yet another potentially troubling development," writes Durden. "Key to note here is that Goldman's program trading principal to agency+customer facilitation ratio is a staggering 5x, which is multiples higher than both the second most active program trader and the average ratio of the NYSE, both at or below 1x."

The implication is that Goldman Sachs trades much more often for its own (principal) benefit. "In this light, the program trading spike over the past week could be perceived as much more sinister," he says. "For conspiracy lovers, long searching for any circumstantial evidence to catch the mysterious "plunge protection team" in action, you should look no further than this."

My colleague at Kapitall, David Neubert, disagrees with the conspiracy theory ( Kapitall Backstage - Company Blog - Conspiracy Theory About GoldmanSachs ). David was the head of program trading at Morgan Stanley from 1996 to 2002 (both Global and U.S.), which, at the time, was the NYSE volume leader. "Program trading volume on a proprietary basis can come from many things, all of which make pushing the entire market higher difficult to nearly impossible," he writes.

"The only thing that can drive a market higher is buyers willing to pay more than current market prices," writes Neubert. "Among the many financial market abuses that have occurred in the past few years, portfolio (program) trading is not among them."

Is the PPT a Wall Street fairy tale? I don't know the answer. But it's interesting that Goldman Sachs recently announced a $5 billion stock issue plan ( Goldman Pushes Stock Issue in Plan to Escape U.S. Grip - WSJ.com ) . Come on, conspiracy lovers, tell us what you think. Did the PPT push stock market prices higher so that Goldman could get a better price for their stock offering?
 

letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
Well it appears some people in the financial markets think it might be being "Manipulated".... you know the "conspiracy theroies".....

You might want to read the links within the article also...some for some against....

Eben Esterhuizen
Kapitall.com

Posted April 14, 2009 | 12:20 PM (EST)

Eben Esterhuizen: Conspiracy? Is Goldman Sachs Running the Plunge Protection Team?

Conspiracy? Is Goldman Sachs Running the Plunge Protection Team?

Read More: Conspiracy Theories, Goldman Sachs, Plunge Protection Team, Business News

I heard Esterhuizen is a nazi sympathizer...
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
some say Tomatow some say Tomaatoe....its all hogwash....

Ok...the financial world has collapsed...the auto market in shambles.....what more can happen to drag this all the way down to where the scare mongers are saying the market could hit 1,000? I just don't believe it
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I never said you had to believe it, as i don't have to believe the "pump monkey's inflated #'s either............

As for what can get worse......well how about oil, gas, home heating oil and diesel..going up with the new garbage from the gov on the oil industry:

US Federal Court Throws Out DOI 5-Yr Oil Leasing Plan

By Ian Talley
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
Last update: 4/17/2009 2:29:14 PM
UPDATE:US Federal Court Throws Out DOI 5-Year Oil, Gas Leasing Plan

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--A federal appeals court Friday threw out the Department of the Interior's 2007-2012 five-year oil and natural gas leasing plan - potentially halting development in the Gulf of Mexico and Alaska - telling the agency it needed to better consider environmental impacts. The decision further delays exploration and development of Outer Continental Shelf resources at a time when energy analysts warn that more investment is needed in the sector to prevent price spikes in coming years..... you can finish this article at the link above..

Don't forget about his new tax penalties for oil companies:

1. The repeal of the manufacturing tax deduction for oil companies
2. The repeal of the percentage depletion allowance
3. The repeal of the enhanced oil recovery credit
4. The repeal of the marginal well tax credit
5. The repeal of expensing of intangible drilling costs
6. The repeal of the deduction for tertiary injectants
7. The repeal of the passive loss exception for working interests in oil and gas properties
8. Placing an excise tax on Gulf of Mexico production and reducing royalty relief
9. Increasing the geological and geophysical amortization period for independent producers from five to seven years
10. A new policy to charge producers user fees for processing permits to drill on federal lands
11. Reforming royalties and adjusting rates to increase revenue for federal leases

Then we have the new EPA mandate that CO2 is now a danger to mans health and you can look for "Cap & Trade" to drive the cost of producing anything up, and the killing of the coal industry as barry said was his plan.

EPA Says Greenhouse Gases a Danger to Public Health
(Update1)

By Catherine Dodge
EPA Says Greenhouse Gases a Danger to Public Health (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

April 17 (Bloomberg) -- The Environmental Protection Agency said greenhouse gases pose a danger to the public, opening the way for new U.S. regulation of cars, power plants and factories.

The proposed finding, announced by the agency today, marks the first formal action by the federal government toward restricting carbon-dioxide emissions that climate scientists say contribute to global warming.

The decision may spur regulation of General Motors Corp. and other automakers and utilities such as American Electric Power Co., as well as manufacturers led by chemical and steel makers. It also pressures Congress to back legislation on emissions, rather than letting the EPA set all the rules, said David Bookbinder, chief climate counsel of the Sierra Club.

“I don’t think the EPA ought to be regulating carbon emissions,” Representative Henry Waxman, a California Democrat, said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” airing this weekend. “I think we ought to deal with it under this cap-and-trade program and the overall energy bill we are moving through.”
You can finish this article at the link above.


So yea I think those 2 items will have a long term effect on how the economy goes...as well as the market when the implimentation of these policies get started....but hey thats just my opinion and as i have said, it is totally irrelavent....:D
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The stock market is not the indicator you want to follow, It is a speculation market that is emotionally driven - bad place to put your retirement if you are that dumb.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
greg wrote:

bad place to put your retirement if you are that dumb.

LOL, yeap, just take a look at the effects on most 401k plans right now..............

Now, if you are good at "prognastication" and have some "disposable income" you can afford to lose, then make your predictions and picks...there are some deals to be made right now in the current market, just be sure you can afford to lose your investment if your picks don't come through......

Now if you really want to spend some money on "spec, you can buy up some unrefined "Yellowcake urainium" that Lehman Brothers is sitting on..........the price is down, but I'd be willing to bet it will rebound pretty quick with Israel being in the market soon (the israel reference is a joke, they buy most their nukes, they don't make them):

Lehman Sitting On $20M Worth of Yellowcake: Report | NBC New York

Lehman Sitting On $20M Worth of Yellowcake: Report

Bank purchased uranium before it collapsed

By JOHN P. WISE

Updated 10:04 AM EDT, Wed, Apr 15, 2009

Talk about toxic assets.

They say a diversified portfolio is best for the long run, but uranium yellowcake?

That's what Lehman Brothers can't seem to get rid of, according to the New York Post. The bankrupt investment firm has 500,000 pounds of the ore and doesn't appear to have any interested buyers, the Post reported. That's enough uranium to make a nuclear bomb, according to Bloomberg.com.

Lehman acquired the radioactive supply before the storied bank collapsed last year under the weight of subprime derivatives. But despite its desperate state, the bank is holding the yellowcake in order to sell it at a better price.

The belly-up bank has about $200 billion in unsecured liabilities debt, and the uranium could bring in about $20 million at the current price of about $40 per pound, Bloomberg reported.

But don't expect the yellowcake to show up on Craigslist anytime soon.

"We are not planning to sell at a price that's not advantageous," the employee told the Post.

I've read several articles on this. It seems to be traded on alot of commodity markets and there are more buyers then you would think...Lehman offered it in a bulk sale and had no takers , now they are considering breaking it up in smaller lots to sell....
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Its the quarterly SEC reports should get more attention...not speculators or speculation....the bleeding in some sectors is slowing down....Heck GM even sold more cars this quarter...still lost a whack of dollars tho.....
 

DougTravels

Not a Member
Glad to see the market responding. It will come all the way back, now that people of sound mind are running things. They have just started to fix the errors of the last 8 years. Glad to see investors are regaining faith in America. Those Realdumblicans sure made a mess.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Thanks for stopping by Aristotle! Always a good time when you can enjoy good conversation over not to bad coffee!! :D

Hope to see you on the road again!
 

tallcal101

Veteran Expediter
Whats the matter with you Doug,are you losing your barings? My God man,black is white and red if green.Remeber that when speaking about such things on this forum.It's only what it appears to be if the sore losers say so. Don't let things like talk of the economy (proof in fact)making gains ever,ever get in the way of the train wreck of the last 8 years that so few hold onto so tightly.They find it offensive.
In the last 3 major recessions the stock market has been the single most trusted indicator of an economic turn around down the road.One solid quarter of 25% marketains combined with GNP numbers moving at a pace of 2% growth in two quarters is a very positive sign. Unemployment sucks,but thats more about the wholesale outsourcing of manufactoring and the dismal job of public education preparing the work force for the rapid changing job market in general.Three generation of GM workers in one familiy was sick 10 years ago,and is even sicker today.
It's always been about the retirement and the benefits,well guess what,GM lied.

We are being led into a new world by a leader that gets it.Some will continue to wallow in the sorrowful muck of thier tried and failed philosophy of ignorance,greed and wateful personal habits ( toys for boys). The first thing they tell O/O's at FEDEX CC intro class is don't buy that boat or Harley with the first $10,000.00 you have in your pocket.Why do you suppose that say that?
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Glad to see the market responding. It will come all the way back, now that people of sound mind are running things. They have just started to fix the errors of the last 8 years. Glad to see investors are regaining faith in America. Those Realdumblicans sure made a mess.

Can't really say if things are getting fixed and OBama is the magic cure....and Bush can't be blamed for everything,,,there were a lot of greedy people that made this happen...We have a way to go yet...BUT....being positive does more good then negative....some will discount any good just because it might make a certain president look good...and we can't have that....I would hope a real American would have more hope then whats displayed here at times....I would like to think when an American would stand tall and do whatever to get this country rolling again....and not play so much politics...
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I don't know about that Tallcal, the auto workers brought it on themselves at this point, not GM. They should have been doing the same thing that the teamsters and Operating Engineers did, take the pensions over and that would have been the end of any problems but the UAW was smarter than those unions.

The funny thing about wholesale job movement out of the country is that I got to blame the consumer for that one, they want cheap services and cheap things, so what can you do. It wasn't a Bush thing that gave us Nafta but it wasn't also a bush thing that gave us immigration reform of 1965 which screwed this country.

As for the stock market being the best indicator, tell that to a group of economist over at the U of M. They seem to be right in their thinking that the stock market since 2001 has been a bad thing to use. They also know that the stock market is subject to false positives since the tech stock bubble bursting (remember Pets.com and other rather high priced zero value stocks?). My point is that what was in the past is just that in the past and we have a whole new economy which may crash and burn becuase of the idea of deficit spending our way out of trouble.
 
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