Less bad is the economy's new good

OntarioVanMan

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Ann Perry
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If less bad is the new good, the economy is looking better than it has for a long time.

In the United States, new applications for jobless benefits dropped unexpectedly to a seasonally adjusted 601,000 last week, their lowest level since January, the labour department reported yesterday.

The U.S. housing market, where the financial crisis began, is also showing tentative signs that it may have hit bottom, some economists said.

Despite losses yesterday, battered stock markets have been on a tear since March, with the S&P/TSX composite index this week briefly climbing over 10,000 for the first time in six months.

And economists expect Canadian unemployment data for April, to be released this morning, to show the pace of job losses is slowing.

All that news has sparked heady talk of "green shoots" and given rise to a new parlour game: predicting the recovery. But economists are sounding a note of caution.

"The reality is we're on the cusp of putting in a trough or putting in a bottom. I think it might be a little too soon to talk about recovery," said Stewart Hall, an economist at HSBC Securities.

Recent data "tends to suggest the rate of contraction is decelerating, and just beyond our fingertips is that economic trough, or that period of economic stabilization, where we begin to put in a bottom. Once you put that bottom in, you can then talk about recovery."

Dale Orr, of Dale Orr Economic Insight, warned "there is never any black and white in these things."

Orr said a turnaround is closer than it was a few months ago. But he noted "people are reacting pretty strongly to the stock markets and they can wander up and down and sideways quite independently from the real side of the economy. That's why people shouldn't get too overly excited."
 

greg334

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I don't get many who are saying we are recovering, we are not. The people I know say the same thing, they don't know and can not predict a recovery but again they consider we have been in a recession since 2001 in the real sense.

The entire premise of this new economy is recovery is based on a lie and propaganda.

Until people realize that using the stock market and other indicators that go up or down based on news here or there, we will be living with false hopes. Until they understand that no country has ever ever spent its way out of a problem, then they are doomed to see a failed economy.

The administration, just like the last one, is using economic propaganda to shore up the economy and it is not amazing that people are falling for it all. Most of who voted for Obama, voted color and race out of guilt and not looked at the man or his appointees - all great men and women who will lead us to the promise land. They don't get the fact that there is a serious numbers game being played by the administration, 100 million here, 17 billion there all to deflect the fact that they are doubling the debt, monetizing some of the debt and hitting the value of the dollar so hard that we are being considered a bad risk by the world.

If you want to have an inside look at what is going on read

Animal Spirits: How Human Psychology Drives the Economy

Irrational Exuberance
 

chefdennis

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and the # of those collecting unemployment assistance has hit a record high for the 4the straight month....and we have "Tent cities" being put up all over the country for those that are losing their homes and and if you think this "happy news" is indication of a turn around, you are looking through "rose colored glasses"....

As for having hope, I am doing just fine, my family is doing just fine...as the old saying says , its a recession when your neighbor losses his job , its a depression when you lose your job.... my job(s) are secure and i am fine...no one wants our neighbors to suffer, but the facts are what they are...and it will get worse longggggg before it gets better.

The ideals of this government is creating a situation that is going to cripple this country for yrs to come....we will have the highest unemployment then we have in history for the longest term....

As with the inflated bank earnings last month , that they banks (including citibank) have siad they will not be able to show again, (because it was strictly on paper and not real) the # of job loses will increase again and will continue...its the beast that as been created, by our government, including bush, but bushed over the edge by barry with his socialist and fasism ideals.....

8.9% of america is unemployed, and it will get worse, just wait till they close all of those auto plants...and all of supplier jobs that are going to be cut...........

Yeap , Wal-mart is hiring, as is are minimum pay jobs, and as was said, when the bush admin said employment was up, the msm busted on him for figuring thise jobs, but now they are all good, because the "messiah" is in office.......


Oh it was reported yesterday also that Ford could add up to 1500 jobs at the wayne mich plant, over the next 5 yrs....new jobs? nope, laidoff workers given the chance to return with less benefits and less pay...........
 

OntarioVanMan

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Greg..I think the article included some of what you said...about not reading too much into the stock markets....

I am hoping Chef it is only your hatred of the man in office that is fueling this dismal outlook...

because IF and I say IF we come out of this, that will, however one spins it, will make him look good and we all know he'll grab the spotlight....and we can't have that eh?

It'll be yet another 4 yrs.....;)
 

chefdennis

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I don't hate the man, hate is ideals......and us coming out of this , ain't goin to happen....he can't even pay the interest on the amount of debt he is creating and will continue to create...when bush spent like a idoit ( and i agree he did) everyone screamed about deficent spending, but barry just spent more in hos 1st 100 days then ALL of the presidents before him together and is planning on spending more with money he is "printing"...even someone that never studied economics on any level understands what that is doing to the dollar over time...

Sure we will see periods of improvement in the market and the economy, but they will be short lived and we will see each fall worse then the one before it. When barry sayes the only Roosevelt did wrong in his efforts to stop, but worsened the depression was that he DIDN'T spend enough government money, you know what is plan is, to print money and borrow money, raise taxes on those he feels make too much, hock the futrue generations and eventually bankrupt (which for all technical reasons we already are) the nation......

You can print, and borrow money to spend your way out of debt...and yes bush spent like a idoit also, barry has just made it a new science...............So again, I don't hate the man, I hate his ideals and ideas and the direction he is taking our country.....

If you can honestly say that you are happy with how he is breaking laws, stepping all over our constitution, and creating debt that we and the next generation can never payback, then more power to you....Me, I'll continue to hate what he is doing to our country and i'll continue pray for his plans to fail..............
 
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OntarioVanMan

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we could dicker back and forth.....:rolleyes:

But no point...I have my thoughts as you have yours....

guess the proof is in the puddin...My Grandma used that saying what it means I have no clue...*L*
 

chefdennis

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My Grandma said that too, and i never really understood it, i just left knowing that nothing said after she said that meant a thing!! :D
 

OntarioVanMan

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My Grandma said that too, and i never really understood it, i just left knowing that nothing said after she said that meant a thing!! :D

It kind of left ya shaking your head...like uh? but it shut me up..! Maybe thats what it was....*L*
 
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