Ladies, interested in National Health?

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Hello to all you women out there who think that you might be interested in a National Health System. I want to pass along some fun things that can happen. These happened to Mrs. Layoutshooter when we were on the British National Health System.

She is pregnate.

3 weeks prior to birth has a minor problem, put into hospital. Building is a U.S. Army WW2 Quansett Hut, with little more than wood pallets over the dirt for the floor. Dinner was a tiny piece of meat and 3 kinds of potatos and water. You had to pay extra for milk.

Goes home. Goes into labor at 2am (as you know most babies fight to get out around 2am, it's a rule.) Calls me at work, I rush home, take her to the hospital. They will NOT call in a DR. to deliver. Why? they use a neat thing called Birth by Convienence, of the DR. that is. SO, they inject Mrs. Layoutshooter with drugs to STOP the normal labor until morning when the DR's came in. Dr. comes in around 9. Checks her out, starts an I.V. with more drugs to start the labor that they stopped the night before. She asks them to call me. They say no. They want to wait awhile. SO, she grabs some coins, the I.V. stand and waddles down the hall to the pay phone to call me, pulling the I.V. stand behind. I come in. Just as I get there they rush her in to the delivery room. Seems the baby does not work on thier schedual. I sit on her bed, surrounded by 7-8 other very pregnate women, no waiting rooms in British Hospitals. All of a sudden a nurse rushes in, throws a gown and mask at me and tells me I have to hurry!! I thought something was wrong (men did not go into delivery rooms as the norm back then) I get scared just to find out that they want me to see son born (thats cool) I look around room, dirty floors, dirty mop and mop bucket with dirty mop water right next to delivery table. A bug here and a bug there. Son and wife ok, Thank God.

This was not in the dark ages, this was 1977, 2 years after my first son was born in a U.S. hospitial in MI. It was clean, bright and only 2 women per room. A waiting room. Sterial conditions in the delivery room.

Still want National Health? Watch the movie "Calander Girls" about some old ladies that do a "nude calander" in England to raise money to buy a couch for the waiting room in the hospital there, true story.

Still want it? I don't. I have lived it. I seen how backward the health care is and how high the taxes are to pay for it.

Promise a "freebie" and the fools line up!!!


Layoutshooter
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
It gets better.....

They had Daniel Hannan, the guy who told Gordon Brown off at the EU parliament. He warned us not to ever consider to go to a British model system.

One reason that I go to NY to meet my friends from the UK is that they can't get cancer treatment over there. They are restricted by their age, their sex and their weight for the drugs they need. They come here and get everything they need without the hassle.

The more resent example is that actress who fell off the bunny slope. She wasn't left in Canada for medical care but flown to the US where she dies. It took 2 hours to get her to the hospital to begin with, they didn't have a mediflight in that part of the provence and I can't understand why they didn't rent a flight to get her to the hospital but that is beside the point. It seemed to me that either she felt that the canadian system could not care for her properly with her damage or that she felt better with a better health system to take care of her. By the way she is british and I didn't see anyone suggest she fly to the UK to get treatment.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
The actress who fell on the ski slope was more a victim of traumatic brain injury than the lack of medical care - like most victims of a closed head injury, she denied the care offered in the immediate aftermath. Lacking any visible signs of injury, victims often deny any damage, thus delaying care until it becomes critical.
Having a helicopter available would have helped, maybe, but not unless the victim were forced to accept treatment - it's a sticky problem for the EMTs.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
When Mrs. Layoutshooter and I were EMT's we often had people refuse treatment who really needed it. We got around the problem by waiting for them to pass out. We then "Assumed" that they would want treated and took them to the hospital. The helicoptor MIGHT have helped had it been there. If you have to wait to fly one in from very far it would have done no good. BUT, don't worry, IF we are forced into a National Un-Healthy system, things will cost you much more than they do today and you will get WAY less for your money. Where are all the women in here? If all you women knew what you could expect would you be willing to take the risk? Both Mrs. Layoutshooter's and my new son's life were put at risk. Hope you are ready for this. Don't cry and whine and say nobody told you what things may be like. You might not hear it from you local lyin politition but I told you. AND for those who don't trust me cause I rant too much, ask Mrs. Layoutshooter about it. If you are a women she would be happy to go into some of the more "woman" stuff that was not very pleasent as well. Layoutshooter
 

inkasnana

Expert Expediter
Your wife's story is awful Layout, especially for the "day and age" that it happened in. It's a wonder they actually had a Dr. come in instead of some local old-lady midwife. Yes I'm very thankful for the clean, sterile hospitals that my kids were born in, even though 2 of them were delivered by Air Force dr's, whose qualifications at the time seemed rather questionable. Especially since my second child nearly died in childbirth because of the dr's refusal to have me airlifted to a medical facility that could perform a C-section. (Long story that thankfully turned out alright in the end.)

Even so, she was born in a clean, sterile hospital and not a dirty Quonset hut with bugs crawling around. I'll take the clean, sterile option any day.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Glad to hear all turned out ok with your son. It is things like what happened in England that make me so opposed to socialised medicine. Layoutshooter
 
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