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Actually a disappointing article. We are paying more for equipment with these kinds of results.
72 out of hundred trucks with engine problems followed by 66 out of hundred with problems for the most current number. Gee, they are getting better.
Pathetic. We can all thank the EPA for these numbers.
72 out of hundred trucks with engine problems followed by 66 out of hundred with problems for the most current number. Gee, they are getting better.
Pathetic. We can all thank the EPA for these numbers.
Actually a disappointing article. We are paying more for equipment with these kinds of results.
72 out of hundred trucks with engine problems followed by 66 out of hundred with problems for the most current number. Gee, they are getting better.
Pathetic. We can all thank the EPA for these numbers.
In another lifetime, some of us guys were sent to a engineering and design school for electric motors and gearbox design /chain and converyor power units. We had to do design work that was bullett proof because downtime was to expensive for companies in the real world . There is this little word in the design world that I think is forgotten: Its called Service Factor. If the design nuts would use a service factor of 2.o or 3.0 IMHO, stuff would last a long time. In other words, put some metal beef in ur bearings, journals, valve stems, harden those gears some more, enlarge timing chains and get rid of plastic inserts and so on, show us the beef, IMHO
of couse ur engines and trannys would last to long then..............................
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"With the new technology required to meet emissions standards, today's engines simply are more problematic than the previous generation. So, while it's possible that manufacturers can continue to improve the quality of the engines, it's unlikely that they'll quickly get back to the pre-2004 levels."
"More problematic" means more reapir bills. New generation engines cost more to build and maintain, thereby increasing the cost to own and operate trucks with such engines in them. Yet another reason to pay attention to your costs and the price per mile at which you will run.
You might buy a newer truck that runs fine for a year or two, leading you to belive that your costs are fine. Then the EPA demon wakes under your hood and all at once you have a big repair bill (thousands of dollars) to pay. The engine is fine, its the EPA add-ons that fail.
If you are running a newer truck but have a maintenance and repair cost per mile built into your spreadsheet based on an old engine, it might be wise to bump that number up a bit, even if your engine is running fine today.
Our engine is a 2006 model. After EGR problems developed and are projected to persist, and after the warranty expired, we had to add a penny a mile to our maintenance costs.
Newer SCR engines are still new. Their components are even more expensive than EGR valves. If I had an SCR engine now and planned to drive it for a long time, I would want $10,000 at the very least tucked away somewhere to cover the cost of EXPECTED SCR component failures.
"With the new technology required to meet emissions standards, today's engines simply are more problematic than the previous generation. So, while it's possible that manufacturers can continue to improve the quality of the engines, it's unlikely that they'll quickly get back to the pre-2004 levels."
"More problematic" means more reapir bills. New generation engines cost more to build and maintain, thereby increasing the cost to own and operate trucks with such engines in them. Yet another reason to pay attention to your costs and the price per mile at which you will run.
You might buy a newer truck that runs fine for a year or two, leading you to belive that your costs are fine. Then the EPA demon wakes under your hood and all at once you have a big repair bill (thousands of dollars) to pay. The engine is fine, its the EPA add-ons that fail.
If you are running a newer truck but have a maintenance and repair cost per mile built into your spreadsheet based on an old engine, it might be wise to bump that number up a bit, even if your engine is running fine today.
Our engine is a 2006 model. After EGR problems developed and are projected to persist, and after the warranty expired, we had to add a penny a mile to our maintenance costs.
Newer SCR engines are still new. Their components are even more expensive than EGR valves. If I had an SCR engine now and planned to drive it for a long time, I would want $10,000 at the very least tucked away somewhere to cover the cost of EXPECTED SCR component failures.
They will keep making them cheaper in order to save money and lighten the vehicle to achieve yet another round of new emissions standards. And your right, service on the new ones is horrendous as well. Many shops have one guy to work on emissions so you wait days just for service, or tow it to another location.
robh2
Veteran Expediter
Thats the kicker for this report. Look at the International, it does not use urea, it does it all in the engine. Yes it has a lot of coolers and other things because burning off everything in the engine gets HOT, so its hard to get to the engine to work on.
But when all is said and done, the things that are killing the other power train numbers are like everyone said, the new emissions. Very glad International went another route with their technology. Might be hard to work on but at least according to this report, odds are, you wont be working on it often.
I dont know how long it will last, but hopefully International can keep on truckin.
Robert
But when all is said and done, the things that are killing the other power train numbers are like everyone said, the new emissions. Very glad International went another route with their technology. Might be hard to work on but at least according to this report, odds are, you wont be working on it often.
I dont know how long it will last, but hopefully International can keep on truckin.
Robert
Monty
Expert Expediter
Makes one think this might not be a bad way to go ....
1999 Freightliner FL70 Used Cars Albemarle NC - YouTube
Sink a couple of thousand in the poor baby, and not be troubled with all the new technology!
1999 Freightliner FL70 Used Cars Albemarle NC - YouTube
Sink a couple of thousand in the poor baby, and not be troubled with all the new technology!
The International Max Force engines are an electronic wasp nest. Heard on XMSR the other day a company driver had lost 4 weeks of work out of the last 7 due to new truck going into limp mode. They had to call in a rep every time it laid down and nobody knows how to fix it. The driver claims it looks like the engine is covered in "vines". The last thing they did was replace a temp sensor that was giving a false reading, but back in the shop after the 1st run out again.
The new emissions can only lead to deeper engine problems in my opinion down the road. We can only hope the large carriers responsible for the record new orders of heavy trucks will do the proper business planning as Ateam suggests and figure higher costs thereby raising freight rates overall.........a guy can dream anyway.....
The new emissions can only lead to deeper engine problems in my opinion down the road. We can only hope the large carriers responsible for the record new orders of heavy trucks will do the proper business planning as Ateam suggests and figure higher costs thereby raising freight rates overall.........a guy can dream anyway.....
