Issues with employing somebody

Jayman

Expert Expediter
What kind of issues do you fleet owners run into in the way of personnel? With the exception of the obvious. Getting and retaining good drivers. Drivers taking care of your equipment. Drivers taking enough loads and not dead heading a lot. etc. What kind of money do you have to pay out in social security, benefits, etc?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
It is far easier to 1099 anyone you have drive because once you get into the employee thing, you have a lot more responsiblities to deal with and your liabilities extend past their termination date.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
It is the assigned status given to a independent contractor verses an employee that would file a 1040 for taxes by US government.
You can do a search on it and bring up a ton of information.
www.irs.gov will help as well.





Davekc
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PantherII
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Jayman

Expert Expediter
Thats cool. I was going to do something like that if I drove for somebody else through my chapter S corp. That way I can avoid issues with a salary cap imposed on me by a retirement issue from my current position. I would limit my income, but have an awesome benefits package. :7
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Hey before you make plans or even consider anything, talk to a good lawyer and a good accountant who deals with corporations. just because something sound good on the radio or TV it does nt always fit your goals or intentions. I find that the companies out there who setup corps are just like puppy farms - they are quanity sellers and nothing more.
 

Jayman

Expert Expediter
True. I set up my chapter S through a lawyer and accountant earlier this year. I would have put it off a bit, but at that time I didnt know I would have to wait to make my appearance in the expedite biz.

Here is my situation in a nut shell.

Part 1. I will be getting a disability annuity from my current position. But, to keep that...I cannot make more than 80% of what I am making in this position at the time of my departure.

Part 2. I formed a chapter S corp. Planned on owning my own truck. But, will atleast start out driving for somebody else. Even though I wont own the truck...I can still be a 1099 as you say. Instead of being hired as an individual, they will have a contract with my chapter S corp to provide "driver services". That way the income flows to my chapter S instead of me directly. I claim what is = to 80% of my current income. Money in the chapter S that is in excess (after my salary and expenses) can be spent on anything I want it to be spent on. Not all of it will be tax deductable. But, a corp can spend its money however it wants.

Let me know your thoughts.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
My thoughts?

I know my lawyer and accountant would say there is too much liablity with the IRS with the scheme.

I have a friend who will never work again in her life, she is just 35 and can't function normally as we would, but started a business as part ot the thapy. Her business is doing well and she is making now more than she ever did. The thing is that her disablity limits her to 60% of her averaged accummilated income over the years she worked for the company - some twisted thing in the settlement - which puts her in a very low tax bracket. So what she did was not go the s corp but c corp route because there is no connection to the taxes the corp pays and the personal taxes (which if I remember she has to turn over tax records as proof). She draws a minumal salery that the IRS considers justified and takes the rest at the end of the fiscal year.

just a thought.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>True. I set up my chapter S through a lawyer and accountant
>earlier this year. I would have put it off a bit, but at
>that time I didnt know I would have to wait to make my
>appearance in the expedite biz.
>
>Here is my situation in a nut shell.
>
>Part 1. I will be getting a disability annuity from my
>current position. But, to keep that...I cannot make more
>than 80% of what I am making in this position at the time of
>my departure.
>
>Part 2. I formed a chapter S corp. Planned on owning my
>own truck. But, will atleast start out driving for somebody
>else. Even though I wont own the truck...I can still be a
>1099 as you say. Instead of being hired as an individual,
>they will have a contract with my chapter S corp to provide
>"driver services". That way the income flows to my chapter
>S instead of me directly. I claim what is = to 80% of my
>current income. Money in the chapter S that is in excess
>(after my salary and expenses) can be spent on anything I
>want it to be spent on. Not all of it will be tax
>deductable. But, a corp can spend its money however it
>wants.
>
>Let me know your thoughts.

While your Sub S Corp is properly established with an attorney's help, that in no way insulates you from the scrutiny of the insurance company that is paying your disability benefits. There is a legal concept called "Piercing the Corporate Veil." Look into it before proceeding down your announced path. Insurance companies have entire departments and highly-skilled lawyers dedicated to minimizing fraudluant claims. Your Sub S combined with activity that indicates no disability will be no match for them.

Just now editing my post after talking with my wife, Diane. She used to be an insurance company attorney tasked partly with protecting the company from fraudulant claims. Now before my critics rise to paint her with the evil corporate brush, kindly note that one of the most rewarding parts of her work was paying legitimate claims quickly and without dispute. She had built up enough credibility with her managers that when she said "pay it" they did. The sad part was the unbelievable number of fraudluant claims that had to be dealt with.

Anyway, I'm not saying you are making a fraudulant claim. So far, you have not done so. Diane tells me that if your insurance company discovers that you are generating more money than the amount permitted by your annuity agreement, they won't have to go to court. They will simply use that fact as the basis for cutting or denying your benefits outright. It's not about how the money is categorized or earned, it is about whether you are disabled or not. If you are out there producing more money than you are allowed under your agreement, the presumption will be that you are no longer disabled. And based on what you report here, it sounds like that presumption would be true.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
You asked for people's thoughts. Here are mine in simple form. If you are disabled, accept that fact and live with the terms of your disability annuity. If you are not disabled, be honest about it and go to work. If you were once disabled and your condidtion is now improving, be honest about that too and talk to your insurance company about it. You may be able to work out a transitional agreement with the insurance company where they will phase out benefits slowly as your earned income grows.
 

Jayman

Expert Expediter
I understand what your saying and you make good points.

As far as the disability that I will receive. It is under a little different program than people normally deal with. It isnt so much that I am disabled as much as the fact that I will be losing my full-time job to a non retention due to not being considered medically fit to stay in the military. It could be said that my employer contributed to my medical demise. But, that could be said of almost any employer if you looked deep enough.

The way I see it, there are rules to follow. I do that. I am not so much concerend about the money as I am the benefits. Will need to keep my health insurance. If I got a new policy, my existing conditions probably wouldnt be covered. So I cant let myself get in that position. Plus, I will draw a pension at 62 as if I still worked there. That is good because people who give a lot shouldnt be forced or driven to throw their security away. For the last few years, I have not had an easy time with my current employer. Sure, lots of people have hard times on the job. But...I dont think you should lose everything you worked for if you leave for any reason after a few good years of service.
 
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