iran, brazil, venezuela, barry and nukes

chefdennis

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So our "idiot in chief" talks at the un and to anyone else who will listen that we need to cut OUR nukes, we are the bad guys and we need to lead the way in cutting our nikes to show we are a better co8ntry under barrys rule..i mean presidency...then while while the world figures out iran has enough nuke material to build bombs, they have a "secret" nuke plant they aren't suppose to have, we now have Brazil saying they want nukes, and also Venezuela saying they want uranium to devolop, but only for medical purposes....but barry figures russia will dump theirs, and NK will dump theirs, and israel should dump theirs and we should dump ours to lead the way.....barry is a fool

BRASILIA, Brazil (AP)
Brazil VP says country should build nuclear arms
Sep 25 09:44 AM US/Eastern


Brazil's vice president says his country should develop nuclear weapons.

Jose Alencar says "a nuclear weapon has great importance" to prevent attacks on Brazil because of its extensive borders and maritime holdings. Alencar tells Brazilian newspapers that Brazil doesn't have a program to develop nuclear weapons, but should.

Alencar's influence is relatively limited and he is not a member of President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's party. Brazilian officials insist they are developing nuclear energy only for peaceful means.

Alencar aide Adriano Silva confirms the comments published Friday by newspapers including O Globo and O Estado de Sao Paulo. He says they are personal opinions and not a position of the government.


Venezuela seeking uranium with Iran's help

By FABIOLA SANCHEZ, Associated Press Writer Fabiola Sanchez, Associated Press Writer
Fri Sep 25, 7:11 pm ET
Venezuela seeking uranium with Iran's help - Yahoo! News
PORLAMAR, Venezuela

Iran is helping to detect uranium deposits in Venezuela and initial evaluations suggest reserves are significant, President Hugo Chavez's government said Friday.

Mining Minister Rodolfo Sanz said Iran has been assisting Venezuela with geophysical survey flights and geochemical analysis of the deposits, and that evaluations "indicate the existence of uranium in western parts of the country and in Santa Elena de Uairen," in southeastern Bolivar state.

"We could have important reserves of uranium," Sanz told reporters upon arrival on Venezuela's Margarita Island for a weekend Africa-South America summit. He added that efforts to certify the reserves could begin within the next three years.

The announcement came as revelations that Iran has secretly been building a uranium-enrichment plant provoke concerns among countries including the U.S., Russia, France, Britain, Germany and China.

On Friday, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev urged Iran in a statement to prove it is not seeking to develop atomic weapons, saying the undeclared construction of an enrichment facility flies in the face of U.N. Security Council demands for Iran to stop uranium enrichment at its only declared facility.

Iran is under three sets of Security Council sanctions for refusing to freeze enrichment at what had been its single publicly known enrichment plant, which is being monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency.

U.S. State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said recently that U.S. officials also have "concerns" about a possible transfer of nuclear materials between Iran and Venezuela.

But analysts say Iran, which has significant uranium deposits, currently has no need to import uranium, although those deposits may not be enough to sustain its future enrichment goals.

Sanz dismissed suggestions that Venezuela could aid Iran with its nuclear program, saying Venezuela is only aiming to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. Chavez has repeatedly said that all countries should end their nuclear-weapons programs, while insisting that Iran and Venezuela have a "sovereign right" to pursue peaceful nuclear ambitions.

Michael Shifter of the Inter-American Dialogue in Washington said that regardless of whether the uranium exploration efforts lead to nuclear cooperation, they are going to cause "a serious problem in the relationship" between Caracas and Washington.

Chavez's government has "clearly announced they're sort of beginning down this road," Shifter said. "It's going to be very difficult for the U.S. to really pursue any cooperation with Caracas on other issues because this is going to top everything else."

Chavez's project remains in its planning stages and still faces a host of practical hurdles, likely requiring billions of dollars, as well as technology and expertise that Venezuela lacks. Russia has offered to help bridge that gap, and Chavez has announced that the two countries have created an atomic energy commission.

But Sergei Novikov, a spokesman for Russian state nuclear agency Rosatom, has said there are no concrete projects and that any joint work on mining deposits of uranium or the radioactive metal thorium would have to wait until Venezuela decides whether it wants Russian help exploring them and, if so, create a joint venture for the purpose.

Both Chavez and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are well-known for their anti-U.S. rhetoric, and have forged ties in everything from finance to factories, provoking concerns in Washington. Iran now manufactures cars, tractors and bicycles in Venezuela.

Earlier this month, Chavez sealed a deal to export 20,000 barrels of gasoline daily to Iran, giving Tehran a cushion if the West carries out threats of fuel sanctions over Iran's nuclear program.

'Ahmadinejad has enough uranium to go whole way'

Senior US official says secret facility is right size to make 'bomb or two a year'

By David Usborne and Andrew Grice in Pittsburgh
Saturday, 26 September 2009
'Ahmadinejad has enough uranium to go whole way' - Middle East, World - The Independent

The crisis in relations with Iran escalated ominously yesterday after the leaders of the US, Britain and France accused the regime in Tehran of operating a secret uranium enrichment facility buried deep in a mountain bunker near the ancient religious city of Qom. Barack Obama called Iran's activity "a direct challenge" to the international community.


The accusations were made public in an extraordinary joint statement by the US President, flanked by Gordon Brown and the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy before the start of the G20 economic summit in Pittsburgh.

Iran had previously insisted that its plant at Natanz, which is open to international inspection, was the only one involved in enrichment. The new revelation sharply raises the stakes at a time when Israel has been signalling that military strikes against Iran are on the table.

Iran's first response was one of familiar defiance. "If I were Obama's adviser, I would definitely advise him to refrain from making this statement because it is definitely a mistake," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in an interview with Time magazine in New York.

Western sources said the plant at Qom, 120 miles south-west of Tehran, is not yet operational. But it is designed to hold about 3,000 centrifuge machines, which would provide the uranium needed to produce one atomic bomb a year. "Iran has enough uranium to go the whole way," one Western diplomat said. A senior US official said that number of centrifuges could not produce enough uranium to make sense commercially for power generation. "But if you want to use the facility to produce a small amount of weapons-grade uranium, enough for a bomb or two a year, it's the right size."

He stressed that making a bomb was "still some way off" but that the plant gives Iran "more options." French officials said the secret plant was in a "heavily protected" area under the control of the Revolutionary Guards loyal to Ayatollah Khamenei and President Ahmadinejad.

If nonplussed that the plant's cover has been so dramatically blown, Iran's President insisted his government was in compliance with the rules of the International Atomic Energy Agency. "This does not mean we must inform Mr Obama's administration of every facility that we have," he said. Mr Obama's claim "simply adds to the list of issues to which the United States owes the Iranian nation an apology over".

Later, Mr Ahmadinejad softened his tone telling reporters that Iran was in fact ready to give international inspectors access to the Qom facility. "We have no fears," he said.

Yet for Mr Obama, the revelation will bolster the case for tougher sanctions on Iran, if its regime does not bend now to calls for enrichment to stop. It also ratchets up tensions significantly on the eve of talks scheduled next Thursday in Geneva between the regime and six world powers, including Britain, the US and Russia.

"The Iranian government must now demonstrate through deeds its peaceful intentions or be held accountable to international standards and international law," Mr Obama said. His French and British peers portrayed even deeper indignation. "The level of deception by the Iranian government and the scale of what we believe is a breach of international commitments, will shock and anger the whole international community and it will harden our resolve," Mr Brown said, adding that it was time to "draw a line in the sand". He went on: "This is the third time they have been caught red-handed, not telling the truth."

Mr Sarkozy set a deadline of December for Iran to put everything on the table and provide proof that it is not attempting to weaponise nuclear technology. New sanctions could include a ban of the sale of refined petrol to Iran, which could seriously harm the regime but also hurt much of the population

British intelligence agencies played a "big part" in uncovering the plant, working closely with their American and French counterparts, diplomats said. The intelligence has been shared with Israel, but British sources are playing down the prospect of military action. One said: "We are a long way from that. We have no interest in a military operation against Iran or anybody undertaking such an operation."

Even as Mr Ahmadinejad was speaking to Time, his officials in Tehran were acknowledging the plant's existence. "In order to preserve its definite rights [in] the peaceful use of nuclear energy, Iran has taken a successful step and created a semi-industrial plant to enrich nuclear fuel," Ali Akbar Salehi, its nuclear energy agency chief, said in a statement.

Iran insists its enrichment programme is for civilian purposes and other countries have no right to interfere. But Western governments have long doubted this. British sources said the intelligence on Qom specifically suggests it is not consistent with plans for electricity generation.

US officials said that Western intelligence had found out about the Qom plant several months ago and that Mr Obama had been briefed on it even before he took office. Exactly how they cracked the wall of secrecy erected by Iran around it has not been divulged.

Iran itself then became aware that the West had got wind of the concealed plant. On Monday, it sent a cryptic letter to the IAEA in Vienna in which it spoke for the first time of a "pilot uranium enrichment plant" in addition to the one at Natanz. It added that additional information would be furnished to the agency in due course.

All this off-stage drama was unfolding just as world leaders were gathering first for the UN General Assembly in New York and then in Pittsburgh for the G20 summit. Mr Ahmadinejad, last night cancelled a press conference he had been scheduled to give at the UN before leaving New York.

The game had already moved on after the Russian President, Dmitry Medvedev, signalled that Moscow was dropping its opposition to new sanctions against Iran. The switch was attributed to Mr Obama's decision a week ago to drop the US anti-missile shield in eastern Europe. But a senior US administration official revealed that the information about Qom was shared by Mr Obama with President Medvedev during a bilateral meeting in New York on Wednesday. That may have helped modify Mr Medvedev's thinking.

Iran fights back: President tells US it's making 'a big mistake'

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad fought back against claims of illegal concealment last night, saying that it was the United States that should be apologising to Iran and that Barack Obama was making a big mistake which would ultimately play into the Islamic Republic's favour.

In an interview with Time magazine, which took place as the US President was ratcheting up pressure on him from Pittsburgh, Mr Ahmadinejad shrugged off accusations of a secret underground second nuclear facility. "If I were Obama's adviser, I would definitely advise him to refrain from making this statement because it is definitely a mistake. It would definitively be a mistake," he told Time editors in New York, where he had been attending the UN General Assembly.

"We have no secrecy, we work within the framework of the IAEA [International Atomic Energy Agency]," he added. "This does not mean we must inform Mr Obama's administration of every facility that we have."

Far from seeming contrite, Mr Ahmadinejad went on the offensive saying that by bringing up the uranium facility, the US President, "simply adds to the list of issues to which the United States owes the Iranian nation an apology over. Rest assured that this will be the case. We do everything transparently".

Mr Ahmadinejad also hinted that the attack by the US, France and Britain might be just the thing around which his deeply fractured nation might rally.

Again where are you supporters of this president that you all voted for and said we needed to give a chance!?!? Please let the rest of us know how this is a good thing and that barry is doing the right things to make sure that the world disarms of their nukes...come on tell us how barry is doing what is best for our country.......
 
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chefdennis

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LOL, barry is now getting serious with iran....he is offering a "serious, meaningful dialogue".......

This joke needs to come to an end and soon.....

Obama offers Iran 'serious, meaningful dialogue'

Sep 26 04:17 PM US/Eastern
Obama offers Iran 'serious, meaningful dialogue'

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama is offering Iran "a serious, meaningful dialogue" over its disputed nuclear program, while warning Tehran of grave consequences from a united global front.
"Iran's leaders must now choose—they can live up to their responsibilities and achieve integration with the community of nations. Or they will face increased pressure and isolation, and deny opportunity to their own people," Obama said in his radio and Internet address Saturday.

Hours later, Iran's nuclear chief told state TV that his country would allow the U.N. nuclear agency to inspect Iran's newly revealed and still unfinished uranium enrichment facility. Ali Akbar Salehi didn't specify when inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency could visit. He said the timing would be worked out with the U.N. watchdog.

The White House responded to the development by urging Iran's complete and immediate cooperation with the IAEA. "After hiding this site from the international community for years, full transparency is essential, and it is time for Iran to play by the rules like everyone else," White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said.

Obama said in his address that evidence of Iran's building the underground plant "continues a disturbing pattern of Iranian evasion" that jeopardizes global nonproliferation.

Ahead of Thursday's international talks with Iran in Geneva, Obama said the world "is more united than ever before" on this issue. Those negotiations, he said, "now take on added urgency."

Iran's failure to comply with international inspectors raised the potential of tougher economic penalties, although Obama and administration officials did not rule out military action.

"My offer of a serious, meaningful dialogue to resolve this issue remains open," Obama said, urging Tehran to "take action to demonstrate its peaceful intentions."

Evidence of the clandestine facility was presented Friday by Obama and the leaders of Britain and France at the G-20 economic summit in Pittsburgh. The news overshadowed developments on regulating financial markets and reducing fossil fuel subsidies.

Soon after, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, at his own news conference, urged Iran to cooperate, as did Chinese Vice Foreign Minister He Yafei. He, however, did not endorse penalties against Tehran.

At a news conference in New York, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said his country had done nothing wrong and Obama would regret his actions.

"What we did was completely legal, according to the law. We have informed the agency, the agency will come and take a look and produce a report and it's nothing new," he said.

Ahmadinejad said the plant—which Iranian officials say was reported to nuclear authorities as required—wouldn't be operational for 18 months. But he sidestepped a question about whether Iran had sufficient uranium to manufacture a nuclear weapon.
 

layoutshooter

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I don't see Israel nuking us, Iran, yes, Russia, yes, Venesualea, yes, North Korea, yes. That is IF they have nukes, never been proven one way or the other yet. I would believe that they do, can't prove it. Obama is a weak, sniviling traitor. He can be trusted LESS than any OTHER enemy we have!!
 

layoutshooter

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I have no idea, I don't think it matters anyway. No one has the "stones" to inforce it anyway. Barry sure does not!! That treaty is a total joke. As are most arms treaties. THAT is why we have to stay strong. Of course, we now have a Coward in Chief so THAT won't happen. He will get "tough" now, maybe even call them a bad name!! What a MAN!!
 

layoutshooter

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I never have my friend, and neither has this country. At least we never did before. Who knows what is going on now. If Barry is in charge we really need to watch our backs!!!
 

layoutshooter

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They are NOT the cause of the problems there. They are NO true friends of ours but things over there are FAR more complicated than that. If they went away today, nothing would change. It has little to do with oil either.
 

layoutshooter

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Well, I guess they had to go somewhere. They are not welcome in Europe and New York City is full up!!!! LOL!! Man, that is one messed up place over there. Jordan, Trans-Jordan, etc etc etc, it goes back SOOOO far!!! The Brits had their share of messing it up. If only there were NO airplanes, then we could just ignore the mess!!!
 

greg334

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And WHY hasn't Israel signed the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty?

Because they don't officially have nukes.

The only official word about their nukes came from our pathetic former president Carter.

Now you got to ask yourself this one, the countries that you really need to worry about are India and Pakistan because they both have nukes, they are still fighting over a part of territory that they both claim and they have both suffered terrorist attacks. They are also the two countries that we depend on a lot for our economy, not imports but our outsourcing of data and medical services.

The question is, and I truly mean this - why are we so worried about nukes now?

Think about it, the non-proliferation treaties mean nothing because they don't include unstable countries and the product of the dismantling of the nukes by other limiting treaties means the material can be out of the control of the parent country by any number of ways.
 

letzrockexpress

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I suspect our own nuclear reactors are more of a danger to us than someone else's...remember Three Mile Island? There have been a number of close calls at other nuclear power plants also. Davis Besse in Ohio for one.
 

layoutshooter

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Three Mile Island? Big whoop. A MINOR release of gass. I spent 11 years living in that area. I was on the fire department for 10 of those years. Our department was a decontamination site for both Three Mile Island AND Peach Bottom. I fear them NOT!! The horror strories of everyone that lives around there getting exotic cancers in mass are bunk! They have a MUCH better chance of cancer from second hand smoke than from that accident.

Three Mile Island is operating just fine. Still putting out electricity. We were just in there a month ago. All the lights were on. Our systems have PROVEN themselfs to work. Our containment systmes WORK! NOW, I DO remember Chernobal, THAT type of system is to be feared, NOT ours.

WE need MORE reactors. Want to cut down on greenhouse gases? THAT would go a LONG way. ALL we are lacking is the "stones" to re-cycle the spent fuel. The French do it without problems. If THEY can do it surely we can. There is NO other power generation system out there today that can equal a nuke reactor. They are safe, clean, use up little land and the main problem that WE do not yet have a workable answer to is the thermal polution in our lakes and rivers. I am sure with enough effort that too can be overcome.

As to the by-products, I prefer to handle nuke hazmat loads than ANY other hazmat we haul. The REALLY hot stuff is carried in well tested vessals. It is the ONLY hazmat that TESTS it's shipping containers that I know of. Could be wrong on that.

Gees, Of ALL the things I have to fear in this life nuke plants are WAY down on the list. Obama and Co. are likely to cause the deaths of FAR more people than if ALL of nuke plants broke on the same day!!
 

chefdennis

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Davis Besse was totally preventable, it was strictly operator issues that were caused by lies and lack of proper maintainance to assure safe operation, and the company cutting corners and the FED letting it all happen..when properly maintained and operated, nuke plants are not a safety issue...its when the people in charge try to cut corners and save money that problems come up...besse was a prime example of corruption on all levels....not a bad plant or design...
 

layoutshooter

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As it is with most everything. I remember when I lived in PA we knew a few people that worked at Peach Bottom, a nuke plant downstream from Three Mile Island. They had a problem with operators falling asleep at night. In itself not a problem since the alarms were very loud and would awaken them before it got dangerous. It was still a problem and every safety precaution should always be in place. The Feds solution? Take away their free coffee pots and make them pay for their coffee!! Only in America could a government come up with such a STUPID answer to a minor problem.
 

letzrockexpress

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Davis Besse was totally preventable, it was strictly operator issues that were caused by lies and lack of proper maintainance to assure safe operation, and the company cutting corners and the FED letting it all happen..when properly maintained and operated, nuke plants are not a safety issue...its when the people in charge try to cut corners and save money that problems come up...besse was a prime example of corruption on all levels....not a bad plant or design...


Your explaination doesn't change the fact that a disaster could happen. Why it happens isn't the issue. The fact it could happen at all is.
 

letzrockexpress

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Three Mile Island? Big whoop. A MINOR release of gass. I spent 11 years living in that area. I was on the fire department for 10 of those years. Our department was a decontamination site for both Three Mile Island AND Peach Bottom. I fear them NOT!!

Was this before or after you had the opportunity to be in Stripes, lived in England, interrogated eastern Europeans, worked as a park ranger, worked at Cabella's, spied on the Russians, took secret meetings with Commissioner Gordon,
or spent hours on Lake Erie shooting ducks from a funny little boat?
 

layoutshooter

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It was AFTER England and BEFORE Cabela's. It was in between Pensylvnia the first time and South Carolina. You see "Rocket" I have lived a VERY full life. Not only working a job but spending untold numbers of hours as a volunteer firefighter, EMT (in PA and SC) , forest fire crew memeber AND 4H shooting sports instructor. I seldom just sit about doing nothing. I still volunteer some even in this business although the hours are WAY down. I STILL do work for the Pointe Mouilliee Waterfowl Festival and the Monroe County Chapter of Ducks Unlimited. I have also run a couple of other sides businesses.

I still hunt and fish when I can. I still participate in family things as well. I guess it may seem hard to believe that I have particpated in so many things in my life since MOST Americans don't. I have been blessed with a sense of duty. Besides, it keeps me from being bored. How sad for everyone who does NOT chase life like that. One thing for sure, when I leave this world and meet my maker I will be able to say ONE thing for sure. I did NOT waste my 7 talents.
 

layoutshooter

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By the way "Rocket" my service with NSA is documented and public record. So is my fire service. There are MANY who can attest to my 4H service AND my service with the groups I am involved with now. We could use YOUR help too, want to join or are you too busy?
 

letzrockexpress

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By the way "Rocket" my service with NSA is documented and public record. So is my fire service. There are MANY who can attest to my 4H service AND my service with the groups I am involved with now. We could use YOUR help too, want to join or are you too busy?

Just trying to get the chronology, that's all....
Truly, and I mean this, If I can be of help in some way, I will. PM me if there is something I can do.
 

layoutshooter

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OH YEAH, When I was younger I played baseball, softball and ice hockey. I played in several bands, one a family band with my two brothers and dad and cut ONE record when in college. I used to scuba dive before I went to England.

I have guided deer hunts, duck hunts, grouse hunts, salmon trips, steelhead trips and worked for tips on a charter boat out of Ocean City, MD

It must SUCK to have done less that all one can do in one's life. THAT has NEVER been one of my problems.

I left out all the little stuff I did. Just hit the highlights. :p
 
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