Impeach harry reik

layoutshooter

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MOST of the home mortage problems ARE the fault of the person who bought the house. A very large percentage of them were on second homes bought by people speculating on housing. People did NOT check on the terms of the mortgage. They bought shakey ARM's then did not plan for when they went up. They bought more than they could afford. They did not plan for rough times. I should NOT have to spend my hard earned money to bail the bums out. I am sick and tired of paying for bums and that is what they are. I feel bad for the one's who truly have trouble. As for the rest, tough cookies. You know, I paid more in taxes last year then what I showed as taxable income on my 1040. In fact, I paid more in taxe than I did for my house/food/clothes AND health care, COMBINED!!!! I can't afford any more taxes. I won't pay them. I will become a bum first. layoutshooter
 

greg334

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w held one of his unprecidented news conferences this morning. There was so little interest that C Span 1 and 2 had better things to bring us(Paulson in front of Congress and something else depressing on C Span 2).
None of the majors carried it,bit I found the most coverage on PBS radio(thank God for them in so many ways).

Wow that’s funny! I watched him on CNN/Headline News and Fox and MSNBC and CNBC and NBC Washington and FBN and CBS digital 1 and ABC. I flipped through all the channels and got so p*ssed off that every major had him on the TV talking about energy, congress and how they are the real problem – which is TRUE!!!!


PBS?

Oh come on.

They spend our tax money and give us what?

Bill Moyers?

Or how about that guy garrison what’s his name, nothing since the second generation of Sesame Street and Ken Burn’s Civil War has shown the tax payer the return of the hard earned money that was dumped into public broadcasting and they have not done a thing to justify their existence in a long long time.

Look at the salaries of some of these people are making. Take for instance Bill Moyers, what does he make off of PBS? A couple million a year on a system that does not derive a dime off of advertising. Maybe it is time to shut them down.

Oh and speaking of Bill Moyers, he should be the last person who ever talks about a president and what Bush has done in office, didn’t he tell the FBI to spy on Goldwater's people during the election.

When asked point balnk about the rising gas prices ,his reponse was to drill the s*** out of eveything. When asked about suggesting Americans cut back on usage,he said something along the lines thet Americans are smart enough to know what to do.In other words,the President see's no use in suggesting to his flock that they may wish to turn down the air conditioning or cut back on travel,they can figure it out for themselves.

Well Tallcal, I would rather believe the professionals than the congress about drilling for oil. As I said before, they will not use a dime of my money drilling for oil so let them have at it. They want to make money, they do not want to waste tax payer’s money for things that that can’t do so what is the big deal. If they use public land, so what it may be better for the land to move things around and restore it back to where it was.

Oh yea the environment, that’s the big deal… right?

Well you have seen oil exploration in other parts of the world and the last time I checked we still maintain the cleanest of all when it comes down to spilling a drop of crude oil which by the way is a natural liquid and has been in the environment for like the past like million years.

But bring up home mortage failures,and he blames poor choices by dumb Americans thinking they could get something for nothing. Man,this guy,although lame duckish is more ways then one,seems even more confused then when he gasped in surprise at $4.00 per gallon gas.

Well you got it all wrong; the blame sits with the people who got the loans on property that had an inflated value and the lenders who speculated that the value will go up. DO you know this is illegal and it is handled through the oversight committees of congress? Did you also know that there are several Democratic senators and congressmen who have had special favors done for them to over look some of these operating practices and they by the way are on these banking committees. I say let them fall, prop up the dollar and let the sales begin.

DO I feel sorry for anyone who loses their house? Yes, I do and as a matter of fact I am trying to help someone not be put out on the street because they foreclosed on her home. They didn’t do it because she was missing payments but because of the talk of a bail out by congress – what a better way to make money, have congress buy the property for the full loan value plus 50% of the interest and you can still take the lose on it. BUT my feelings do not extend to the couple with the three kids who make $200k a year, live in a $500k house, and have two cars (SUVs) and credit card debt beyond what I owe in total debt. These are the people everyone seems to be focusing on, not the working people who are living day by day. THESE are the people who Obama has been targeting with his I got a plan for Change BS.
 

layoutshooter

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Obama has one of those sweetheart mortages but for some strange reason he is not being investigated by the Senate ethics committe. It is hardly being covered by the media. WHY NOT? Is Obama special? 1% under the going rate, no origination fee, no closing costs etc etc. CHange? Just another slime ball. Layoutshooter
 

arkjarhead

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TallCal,
You want to talk about Clinton? I think he got a raw deal honestly. That has nothing to do with the fact that we are from the same state. He didn't do anything that numerous Presidents in front of him hadn't done. For some reason the Republicans decided to release a pack of wolves on him. Watch the film "The Hunting of the President" narrated by Morgan Freeman. There were people after him long before he became President. Clinton got a raw deal all the way around.
 

layoutshooter

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SLick Willy should not have lied under oath. That is why he was impeached. He also should not have pulled a Carter and gutted the military and intel services. Remember the "Peace Dividend"? 911 was the return. We would have to fight fewer and fewer wars if we stay strong. The weak are always attacked. Layoutshooter
 

greg334

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TallCal,
You want to talk about Clinton? I think he got a raw deal honestly. That has nothing to do with the fact that we are from the same state. He didn't do anything that numerous Presidents in front of him hadn't done. For some reason the Republicans decided to release a pack of wolves on him.

Ark, man what are you talking about?

He didn’t get any raw deal, he skated on a lot of issues from Janet Reno and Waco to Serbia to the especially illegal money taking from the Chinese to espionage by Sandy Berger. People covered up things for him, they lied for him and a few died for him. He didn’t get a raw deal.

He did something only one other president did and charged with obstruction of justice but unlike Nixon, he also lied under oath not once but a few times which is a very serious thing. He got exactly what he deserved but he did not really get any punishment because he was not removed. He only got charged with one, repeat one incident of perjury, he should have been charged with a second post presidency and sent off to jail but some deal was reached.

He also skated on the defense fund issue, something that was wrangled to be a not-for-profit/campaign funding and it should have been investigated and taxed paid on the monies.

By the way, you may not know this but Starr and the White Water investigation did yield a bunch of stuff, but it was also indirectly approved by Clinton by Reno.

Watch the film "The Hunting of the President" narrated by Morgan Freeman. There were people after him long before he became President. Clinton got a raw deal all the way around.

The movie was a nice bit of propaganda with Freeman being the front on it. The movie was the brainchild of Harry Thomason who is a serious FOB. I would not expect anything less than this from the FOB Hollywood crowd who is still ****ed off for anyone questioning their Billy.

ALSO if he got such a raw deal, what happened? He has been making millions after he left. Remember this is the president who gave us the Digital Millennium Copyright Act and the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act – both screws the public big time.

AND an FYI.

The single most important reason that we had 3000 people die on 9/11 is a memo from Jamie Gorelick who created a wall between all agencies like the FBI and the CIA where they can’t share information. The resulting 911 commission had her on the commission’s panel which was wrong because she deflected a lot of questions that would have put the blame on Reno and Clinton. At that time Sandy Berger committed espionage by tampering with top secret information (actually stealing it which is a crime with the punishment of Death because we are in fact at war) that I feel was done to protect Clinton. By the way Sandy Berger never got anything more than a fine and his top secret clearance revoked for a few years by the Bush Administration of all people.
 

tallcal101

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Greg,only 15% of Americans ever cared about any of the things you brought up about Clinton. I wonder who the 15% were? Let's see,the Republicans majority in Congress and the sensational FOX bunch. Nobody else cared. Oh,I'm sure you and Leo will take it to your grave as you were so deeply personaly offended at such behavior.
Ken Lay and the millions of our dollars spent ended up with a stain on a dress and a fib about a BJ. Nobody died,no terrorists were recruited and the Republicans will forever look like fools for their partisan effort.

Ark and I are on the same page because we regognize it was all bluster by a few desparate souls, and nobody else cared. Find another whipping boy that brings out you intellegence and is relevant. It's to late in the game to keep up the "who cares" stuff about Cilnton.
 
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layoutshooter

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It is pretty sad when only 15% of people are NOT bothered when a president commits perjury. We should demand better of everyone. No cares about cheating in schools, cheating thier employers etc etc etc. No morals. Pigs all. Clinton was dis-bared and fined for his perjury. A GOOD man does not have that happen to him. I am sick of hearing that honesty is not important. I am sick of excusing crime on party lines. Obama's mortage is a prime ( pardon the pun ) example. Rotten. Just another slime ball. If you can't be honest, just go crawl in a hole and leave the country to honest men. Layoutshooter
 

Black Sheep

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w held one of his unprecidented news conferences this morning. There was so little interest that C Span 1 and 2 had better things to bring us(Paulson in front of Congress and something else depressing on C Span 2).
None of the majors carried it,bit I found the most coverage on PBS radio(thank God for them in so many ways).
When asked point balnk about the rising gas prices ,his reponse was to drill the s*** out of eveything. When asked about suggesting Americans cut back on usage,he said something along the lines thet Americans are smart enough to know what to do.In other words,the President see's no use in suggesting to his flock that they may wish to turn down the air conditioning or cut back on travel,they can figure it out for themselves.

But bring up home mortage failures,and he blames poor choices by dumb Americans thinking they could get something for nothing. Man,this guy,although lame duckish is more ways then one,seems even more confused then when he gasped in surprise at $4.00 per gallon gas.

Ok,back to Clinton bashing,all together now.

"They lied,they cried,he had affair,but no one died" LOL

This had to be one of the most clueless posts ever. First of all, the press conference was all over the cable networks, and everyone knows it. Secondly, the response giving the American public credit for having the intelligence to know what areas of their individual consumption need to be adjusted was completely appropriate. The vast majority of people don't need the President or any other politician telling them how to run their lives, when to run their air conditioners, how many miles to drive, etc. The liberal mindset may require this type of governmental instruction, but personally I can figure most things out for myself and I get along fine without Barbara Boxer or Nancy Pelosi telling me when to turn my lights on and off.

Regarding the mortgage collapses; since when is the government supposed to be responsible for the financial responsibility of individuals? Anyone that signs an Adjustable Rate Mortgage has to know that there might be a chance that the interest rate and their payments will go up (thus the term ADJUSTABLE). Same goes for these interest-only and balloon payment loans that have been so common, allowing people to buy more house than they can afford. Granted, there have been some shady loan practices, but the rule of caveat emptor (buyer beware) always applies. It's up to the individual to read the fine print and know what they're getting into, so welcome to the real world! When the govt. starts bailing out people and businesses when they make stupid decisions, those of us who pay taxes will be the ones paying the bill.

Thirdly, the drilling issue: in spite of the confusion over the speculators possibly running up prices, it makes no sense whatsoever to refrain from harvesting our natural resources such as oil, coal and natural gas. When given the choice of being dependant on the Arabs, or drilling offshore and in ANWR it's a no-brainer. We should have been drilling in this frozen wasteland of Alaska over ten years ago, but Slick Willie vetoed the deal and now it's costing us dearly. The technology is far better now for offshore drilling and we should take advantage of this ASAP. It's too late to change the past, so we're stuck with $4 per gallon gas now. But why saddle our kids and grandchildren with $10 per gallon gas when we can start now to get our own resources out of the ground. Here's a basic fact of life: our economy runs on OIL; you can put up all the windmills and solar panels you want, but oil will be the basic staple of our economy for the foreseeable future. The tourists on the beach won't even see the oil rigs, and the miniscule risk of oil spills is far outweighed by the benefits to be had. How many oil spills and leakages did we see from the rigs in the Gulf when Katrina blew through them? I believe the answer is ZERO.

Finally, the Clinton bashing. Since the Democrats were so fed up with the Clintons, they chose an empty suit over her and her charming husband. Thus, perhaps the Clinton bashing will be minimized since we've hopefully seen the last of them. However, the lies told by Bill Clinton and his cronies during his administration would and did fill volumes. And to say no one died as a result of his do-nothing policies toward terrorists is a joke! If he had had the stones to respond in force to the embassy bombings, the attack on the Cole, and not let our military be chased out of Somalia by some scruffy warlord we might not have ever seen an attack on 9/11/01. To paraphrase a quote from George Will, he may not have been the worst president the country's ever had, but he's certainly the worst man to have been president.
 

Black Sheep

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One more "bash" at Bill Clinton, if you call pointing out facts bashing: the last Gallup Poll taken in Feb. 2001 on Slick Willie's approval/disapproval rating showed a 55% DISAPPROVAL rating. This came after his last bit of skullduggery selling wholesale pardons on his final day in office to crooks like Marc Rich. This is a far cry from 15% who supposedly cared about Lewinsky, which is a bit hard swallow (no pun intended).
 

LDB

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Cal, again you don't get it. It isn't the sex act that's the big deal, although that's an issue, but it's lying under oath as well as lying to the public that's the big deal. It's pardons not only to financial criminals but also to terrorists that's the big deal. It's being a rapist that's the big deal. Don't waste your breath saying he wasn't. When one woman says it there's doubt. When two women say it there's not much doubt. When multiple women say it there's no doubt. Don't bother saying he wasn't or he'd have been charged. His people cleaned up after him and covered it up. You don't honestly believe several women are going to humiliate themselves discussing rape if it wasn't true do you? Finally, don't read too much into it when 85% of the public is either stupid or ambivalent or both. That's probably an accurate number of the combination.
 

hdxpedx

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Had clinton placed a (R) beside his name he'd be called SEXUAL PREDATOR-- even worst employer BOSS Sexual Predator-- NAGS/LIB PRESS WOULD HAD ATTACKED over and over!! blue stain no harm done-- friggin UNBELIEVABLE!! p.s JAMIE GORE-LICK-- $26MILLION PAY-- ran--FREDDIE or FANNIE-- 9/11 commission--cover clintons--divide FREY-FBI/ CIA/POLICE wall ---speak no terrorist--jamie gore-lick??? does she wear a cape and fly---or just bought? oh yeah JANET RENO--clintonissta-protector!! so glad I don't hear that DAILY SREECH from clintons anymore!!
 

greg334

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Greg,only 15% of Americans ever cared about any of the things you brought up about Clinton. I wonder who the 15% were?

Well Tallcal, the thing that you seem to not want to admit to is when the people are entertained and prosperous; they tend to not care about what the leadership of the country is doing. It happened in the mid ’60s, it happened in the late 80’s and it happened in the mid to late 90’s.

15%?

I think it happened in Rome during the fall of the empire, the people were prosperous and entertained and didn’t care two sh*ts what was really happening.

Let's see,the Republicans majority in Congress and the sensational FOX bunch. Nobody else cared. Oh,I'm sure you and Leo will take it to your grave as you were so deeply personaly offended at such behavior.

I would not say FOX but I remember CNN being a little overly critical many times over some issues in the administration. One such issue was the return of some kid to Cuba, and the ripping of the kid out of the uncle’s home to give him back to his father. By the way I was not offended by what happened, I am offended by the people who still try to justify it as something that ‘happens behind closed doors’ and the fact that they have absolutely no clue of the issues and problems something like this actually causes.

Ken Lay and the millions of our dollars spent ended up with a stain on a dress and a fib about a BJ. Nobody died,no terrorists were recruited and the Republicans will forever look like fools for their partisan effort.

Well Ken Lay, good deflection. It wasn’t about a fib, it was about a lie under oath but neither of us can do the same thing and think we can get away with it. He is equal to you or I, not above the LAW.

Ark and I are on the same page because we regognize it was all bluster by a few desparate souls, and nobody else cared. Find another whipping boy that brings out you intellegence and is relevant. It's to late in the game to keep up the "who cares" stuff about Cilnton.

Ark is not old enough to remember a lot of the cr*p Clinton pulled, like the FBI files. It is not about a few desperate people, it is all about the law and we are a nation of laws, not a nation of men. Until you can find some way to justify breaking the law, then you need to find another defense of the Clinton Regime.
 

layoutshooter

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I am more than old enough to remember Clinton and worked for presidents alllll the way back to Nixon. I hold Slick Willie responsible for the attacks on 911. He cancelled/terminated several ongoing intel operations that were conected to that attack. How do I know this? I was working a couple of them when he closed them down. Why did he do that? Said that they cost too much. I took a buy out soon after that. I could not work for a man? who was so slimly that he would have NEVER been able to get a security clearence like I had had he not been elected president. You know, pass a criminal back round check. How about a polygraph? I had to pass both every 5 years. Bet Obama won't submit to one. McCain had high level clearences while he was in the Air Force. I don't know if he could still pass them now or not. If you are thinking that I don't trust these goobers you are right. I trust them just as far as they trusted me all those years when I had to answer all those questions. I trust them as far as they trust me every time I try to exercise my constitutional right to buy a gun and have to have a FBI backround check. We subject law abiding citizens to these checks but not candidates for presidents. And don't give me any cr*p about how dangerous guns are. What about several thousand nukes? We should vet these bums even more. Layoutshooter
 

arkjarhead

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He shouldn't have even been questioned about what went on with him and Monica. that was his business. She agreed to it. I think it would be rather hard for him to rape someone with all the secret service agents around. Seems like one of them, being armed, would have stopped it if it were rape.
 

greg334

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He shouldn't have even been questioned about what went on with him and Monica. that was his business. She agreed to it. I think it would be rather hard for him to rape someone with all the secret service agents around. Seems like one of them, being armed, would have stopped it if it were rape.

Ark,
Yes he should have.

You seem to fall for this 'it was behind closed doors' thing like it was a common citizen but it was in the place of commander of the US armed forces and it matters a lot.

Let me put it to you another way.

There is a protocol that is followed in security; others may step in here to confirm it. I worked with banks, sometimes I would work directly with the CEO and there is a person who wheels a lot of power by the very nature of his/her position. The security of these people is so tight that they, their families and sometimes extended families are watched 24/7 (escorted, protected, what ever). The reason for this high security is to prevent extortion, kidnapping and blackmail; one of the bank’s security office’s job is to keep the executives of the bank free from any of those things I mentioned in order to keep the banks assets from being stolen.

The same exact thing goes for the Secret Service and the president.

You may not have any idea of what power the president has and the secrets he holds but just imagine if Monica was a spy and setup Clinton to blackmail him. Say she is an operative for the North Koreans and let’s say she wants our deployed troop positions and strength information. Say she does the dirty with Billy and she tells him that she will go public unless she gets what she wants. So he gives into her (for one reason he has no resolve not to get involved) and she now has passed on critical information that can be used to target specific troops in the field so to either destroy them or to move around them.

Far fetched?

No not at all.

If you ever know any secret service people, ask them if that is one of their jobs.

The other thing is if this goes on and is directed by a foreign government, than there are serious issues that this can lead us to. Blackmail does not mean that it leads up to something that the public will care about but other groups or even countries will care because of any number of reasons.

No matter what people put as a spin on this, this guy, Billy Clinton was the president of the US, commander in Chief and people’s lives depended on his ability to be above all of this 24/7.

If you ever take real hard core security training, you will learn what I am saying about extortion and blackmail. If you take any diplomatic courses, you will understand the international ramifications of his actions.

Oh and another thing before I forget, his lying matters too because the country’s integrity depends on his ability to maintain some decorum in the WH. Tallcal may point out that since Bush got into office, we have been the laughed at by the world and not trusted but that’s not true. When all of this first happened, I was involved with some people from Europe and they were clear since Clinton lied, they felt they could not trust the country.
 

arkjarhead

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SO why wasn't a big deal made when FDR and JFK were running around with their women outside of their wives? Ok I understand why FDR cheated on his wife I would have to in his shoes to be honest. JFK had a good looking wife though. Why were they questioned under oath? FDR had a better chance of finding himself in the scenario you talked about above with a German operative than Clinton did with a North Korean.
 

layoutshooter

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The hell with his women etc, he comitted perjury, I think that was in the Jennifer Flowers case. Could be wrong on that. The man is a pig. He has the morals of a drake mallard. I would be investigating him in the 911. Not the silly investingation that was done. One that would be looking into criminal charges, maybe treason. It was really that bad. Made Carter look like a hawk. Layoutshooter
 
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