How messed up the country has become

greg334

Veteran Expediter
The American government -- which we once called our government -- has been taken over by Wall Street, the mega-corporations and the super-rich. They are the ones who decide our fate. It is this group of powerful elites, the people President Franklin D. Roosevelt called "economic royalists," who choose our elected officials -- indeed, our very form of government. Both Democrats and Republicans dance to the tune of their corporate masters. In America, corporations do not control the government. In America, corporations are the government.


This was never more obvious than with the Wall Street bailout, whereby the very corporations that caused the collapse of our economy were rewarded with taxpayer dollars. So arrogant, so smug were they that, without a moment's hesitation, they took our money -- yours and mine -- to pay their executives multimillion-dollar bonuses, something they continue doing to this very day. They have no shame. They don't care what you and I think about them. Henry Kissinger refers to us as "useless eaters."


But, you say, we have elected a candidate of change. To which I respond: Do these words of President Obama sound like change?


"A culture of irresponsibility took root, from Wall Street to Washington to Main Street."


There it is. Right there. We are Main Street. We must, according to our president, share the blame. He went on to say: "And a regulatory regime basically crafted in the wake of a 20th-century economic crisis -- the Great Depression -- was overwhelmed by the speed, scope and sophistication of a 21st-century global economy."



This is nonsense.


The reason Wall Street was able to game the system the way it did -- knowing that they would become rich at the expense of the American people (oh, yes, they most certainly knew that) -- was because the financial elite had bribed our legislators to roll back the protections enacted after the Stock Market Crash of 1929.


Congress gutted the Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial lending banks from investment banks, and passed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which allowed for self-regulation with no oversight. The Securities and Exchange Commission subsequently revised its rules to allow for even less oversight -- and we've all seen how well that worked out. To date, no serious legislation has been offered by the Obama administration to correct these problems.


Instead, Obama wants to increase the oversight power of the Federal Reserve. Never mind that it already had significant oversight power before our most recent economic meltdown, yet failed to take action. Never mind that the Fed is not a government agency but a cartel of private bankers that cannot be held accountable by Washington. Whatever the Fed does with these supposed new oversight powers will be behind closed doors.


Obama's failure to act sends one message loud and clear: He cannot stand up to the powerful Wall Street interests that supplied the bulk of his campaign money for the 2008 election. Nor, for that matter, can Congress, for much the same reason.


Consider what multibillionaire banker David Rockefeller wrote in his 2002 memoirs:
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Read Rockefeller's words again. He actually admits to working against the "best interests of the United States."



Need more?


Here's what Rockefeller said in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order." They're gaming us. Our country has been stolen from us.



Journalist Matt Taibbi, writing in Rolling Stone, notes that esteemed economist John Kenneth Galbraith laid the 1929 crash at the feet of banking giant Goldman Sachs. Taibbi goes on to say that Goldman Sachs has been behind every other economic downturn as well, including the most recent one. As if that wasn't enough, Goldman Sachs even had a hand in pushing gas prices up to $4 a gallon.


The problem with bankers is longstanding. Here's what one of our Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, had to say about them:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation, and then by deflation, the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their father's conquered."

We all know that the first American Revolution officially began in 1776, with the Declaration of Independence. Less well known is that the single strongest motivating factor for revolution was the colonists' attempt to free themselves from the Bank of England. But how many of you know about the second revolution, referred to by historians as Shays' Rebellion? It took place in 1786-87, and once again the banks were the cause. This time they were putting the screws to America's farmers.


Daniel Shays was a farmer in western Massachusetts. Like many other farmers of the day, he was being driven into bankruptcy by the banks' predatory lending practices. (Sound familiar?) Rallying other farmers to his side, Shays led his rebels in an attack on the courts and the local armory. The rebellion itself failed, but a message had been sent: The bankers (and the politicians who supported them) ultimately backed off.


As Thomas Jefferson famously quipped in regard to the insurrection: "A little rebellion now and then is a good thing. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."



Perhaps it's time to consider that option once again.


I'm calling for a national strike, one designed to close the country down for a day. The intent? Real campaign-finance reform and strong restrictions on lobbying. Because nothing will change until we take corporate money out of politics. Nothing will improve until our politicians are once again answerable to their constituents, not the rich and powerful.


Let's set a date. No one goes to work. No one buys anything. And if that isn't effective -- if the politicians ignore us -- we do it again. And again. And again.


The real war is not between the left and the right. It is between the average American and the ruling class. If we come together on this single issue, everything else will resolve itself. It's time we took back our government from those who would make us their slaves.
Huffington Post -



"Common Sense 2009" by Larry Flynt
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
From Wikiquote:

Prof. Alexander Frazer Tytler has written, that a democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse out of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority, he said, always vote for the candidate promising the most benefits from the treasury with the result that democracy always collpases over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a dictatorship. Unfortunately, we can't argue with the professor because when he wrote that we were still colonials of Great Britain and he was explaining what had destroyed the Athenian Republic more than 2000 years before.

Does any of this sound familiar? Fortunately, the American public is beginning to realize the consequences of the insane fiscal policies of the radical left and their empty-suit that was elected as President. It was announced last Friday afternoon that the national deficit will be $2 TRILLION more over the next 10 years than originally estimated - up to $9 Trillion instead of $7 Trillion; for emphasis that's $9,000,000,000,000 (or probably more) that our kids and grandchildren will be paying after we're gone. If I didn't know better, I'd think this president named Barack Hussein Obama and his cabal of left-wing radicals are intentionally trying to follow the path outlined above by Professor Tytler.
 
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RLENT

Veteran Expediter
greg,

I'm curious - you posted and quoted Flynt's article without much in the way of comment ...... I'm curious about your viewpoint on the matter - and the exact point you were trying to make, given the name you selected for the title of the thread:

Is it that you feel Flynt is largely incorrect in the assertions he makes - and thereby is an indication of "how messed up this country has become" ?

Or is that you feel the assertions are correct (more or less) .... but the fact that it's Flynt that is making them (and perhaps not others) that indicates how screwed up we are ?

Or is it something else ?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Rlent -

The American government -- which we once called our government -- has been taken over by Wall Street, the mega-corporations and the super-rich. They are the ones who decide our fate. It is this group of powerful elites, the people President Franklin D. Roosevelt called "economic royalists," who choose our elected officials -- indeed, our very form of government. Both Democrats and Republicans dance to the tune of their corporate masters. In America, corporations do not control the government. In America, corporations are the government.


I agree to a point with this statement. It seems that our world is now run by the bail outs and the TARP, our entire future has been put on a different path because of the what we "had" to do to "fix" problems which were not problems.

This is later reinforced by the following;

The reason Wall Street was able to game the system the way it did -- knowing that they would become rich at the expense of the American people (oh, yes, they most certainly knew that) -- was because the financial elite had bribed our legislators to roll back the protections enacted after the Stock Market Crash of 1929.


Congress gutted the Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial lending banks from investment banks, and passed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, which allowed for self-regulation with no oversight. The Securities and Exchange Commission subsequently revised its rules to allow for even less oversight -- and we've all seen how well that worked out. To date, no serious legislation has been offered by the Obama administration to correct these problems.

See this is important and I have said for a long time if they would enforce the laws that already existed and then made sure of the proper oversight taking place, then we would be far removed from this situation. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are the two of the main problems and they caused enough damage to the entire country by running interference for the companies who wanted to make more money - I can point to one lending practice that is illeagal and still going on, the lending of money on property at 125% of its value. This is speculation and the law has been there since 1936 making it an illegle practice.

And.....

Obama's failure to act sends one message loud and clear: He cannot stand up to the powerful Wall Street interests that supplied the bulk of his campaign money for the 2008 election. Nor, for that matter, can Congress, for much the same reason.


Nothing has really changed with this adminstration - it is pretty much an extention of the last on. But the difference here is the pay back appointments are more to the people who are more or less looking to get something out of it for them and only them. We don't have too many financial conflict of interest waivers created in the past but I understood that this administration has had more than all the others going back to Truman. I can't verify it but if it is only partially true, it shows the true nature of the administration.

Let's go on... to the finish....

The real war is not between the left and the right. It is between the average American and the ruling class. If we come together on this single issue, everything else will resolve itself.

The first part is very true, no matter how you look at Obama, he is an elitiest, as much as his supporters are. If you looked at Soviet history for example, you can say the same thing - the leadership is far removed from the people but they make it look like they are part of the people.

The last part I also agree with, we are a divided country not because we want to be but because of the jelousy that has taken place. Class warfare has uprooted the country and divided us, we worry about what the other guy has or what he hasn't paid but not what will allow us to prosper.

Also the last thing is I am amazed that Flynt wrote this and more amazed that it ended up on Huffington Post.
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Also the last thing is I am amazed that Flynt wrote this and more amazed that it ended up on Huffington Post
Heheheh .... that was my first thought when I read it ....

Thanks for the clarification.
 

rollnthunder

Expert Expediter
My comment to all this is its not like it just happened all the problems in this country have been coming for alot of years every election no matter who is running its always about more government but they try to hide it with all the fingure pointing saying its the democrats fault and the republicans are saying no its the dems fault.But the truth is no matter who is elected they are always trying to get more government control.
 
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