Government wants to PROTECT you, hang your key on front door

RoadKing06

Expert Expediter
I thought you guys would find this interesting as to what Cedar Falls is wanting to do. As a Realtor I use these all the time. There are clients who decide not to use them though.

But that is the Government they know best and how to protect us better than we do. It is for your own Protection, what don't you understand about that. Yeah right.

I hope the link works.

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFCLiij0CBA&sns=fb&h=8668a
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Interesting, indeed.

"We're the government, and we're here to help you, whether you want it or not, whether you like it or not."

The video ended by repeating one of the more salient comments (although I think the comment about the Constitution is about the people restraining the government was better), about the merits of an idea is not dependent upon how many people who hold that idea. That's a very true statement, as the inherent rightness or wrongness of an idea is what it is, regardless of how many people hold the same idea. But there are two problems with the statement, though. One is, it's a statement defending a really bad idea with virtually no inherent rightness, and more bad came come from it than good. They want to put thousands of properties at risk to alleviate a problem which exists with only a scant handful of them. The other problem is the arrogance and condescension in which an elected official uttered it, which goes to my fake quote above.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Let'em try it where I live. I DARE THEM! It would be fighting time! :mad: I had no problem making access as a fire fighter when I needed too. No problem as all. Another "feel good bill" designed to remove freedom and assert government control over the people by making it a "safety issue" Bull feathers.
 

Turtle

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It's not for everyone, yet. But as one citizen noted, it's a slippery slope. Used to be it was just for certain types of commercial buildings with alarm systems, and apartment buildings with 6 or units. Now it's 3 or more unit apartment buildings, some rental homes, and all commercial buildings with alarm systems, as well as all apartment and residential structures with alarm systems. If you want an alarm that alerts the fire department directly, then you gotta have the lock box. Like anyone is gonna care if their door is knocked down in the event of a fire. Sheesh.

The Cedar Falls Courier estimates the cost of these boxes to be $250 for the el cheapo plain Jane model, to $500 for the model that can “can send an alarm to the property owner when the box is opened.” Yeah, gimme the one that won't tell me when the box is opened. What's $500 here or there?

You can get a new door and all related materials to replace a kicked-in one for less than $250.

But it's only the Fire Department who will have access. Yeah, right. There is no reason to trust government to such a degree, and plenty of reasons not to. A local businessman who is vocal against the city government could never result in someone using the lock box to gain entry to gather information to be used to, for lack of a better word, blackmail him into submission. Oh, no, that just would not could not happen. How long did it take before Democrat political operatives shredded the “sacred” privacy rights of Joe The Plumber? <saaaa-nort>
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
OH Surprise, Surprise! Did it EVER occur to these people that not ALL firefighters, policemen, city officials and politicians are HONEST? Not even taking the considerable privacy problems and loss of freedom into consideration, what about the "emergency" person who decides to make a "few extra buck" selling codes, or breaking in on their own etc? Not far out of mind at all.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Why aren't their six recall petitions being circulated in town by now? Are the townspeople that tame? Maybe there was a previous law requiring all men to be castrated. Any citizen that doesn't raise hell over this has nothing in his trousers but his car keys.
 

Turtle

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Why aren't their six recall petitions being circulated in town by now? Are the townspeople that tame?
The final vote that actually passed the ordinance into law, by the same 6-1 vote with Nick Taiber casting the lone dissenting vote, did not happen until about 8PM on Monday night (a little over 4 hours ago as of this posting). No point in circulating recall petitions until after the final vote.

A dozen citizens spoke out against the ordinance, while just one spoke in favor of it.

The issue had caught fire on the Internet in recent days and council members had been subjected to hundreds of calls and e-mails from people around the nation who objected to it. About 55 people attended the meeting, nearly filling the council chambers.

One person yelled at the council as he left the meeting, "Thanks for ignoring the citizens."
Judd Saul, who developed that video of the City Council meeting, said, "We are going to file a lawsuit." He believes it is unconstitutional.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
The final vote that actually passed the ordinance into law, by the same 6-1 vote with Nick Taiber casting the lone dissenting vote, did not happen until about 8PM on Monday night (a little over 4 hours ago as of this posting). No point in circulating recall petitions until after the final vote.

I forget the vote I read about, something preliminary. The article I read said it wasn't the final vote, but something preliminary at which the result was the same: 6-1. That's when the recall talk should have started. Maybe if it had, this result wouldn't have happened.

Have you read what the penalty is for non-compliance? I wonder how many will find some way to give the proverbial finger to the city. And I wonder just how many geldings there are saying, "They just want to keep us safe! C'mon, we have to obey the law..." Whoever reacts anything similar to that way needs to turn their testicles in immediately.

Molasses and feathers, that's the proper response, in addition to six recalls.
 

Turtle

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I forget the vote I read about, something preliminary. The article I read said it wasn't the final vote, but something preliminary at which the result was the same: 6-1. That's when the recall talk should have started. Maybe if it had, this result wouldn't have happened.
Yeah, the article that's been posted, and most of them in the last few days, dealt with the time frame of the second "reading" of the ordinance, which is where the ordinance is read and citizen commentary is accepted. The first reading, no one knew about it, obviously, so there wasn't much in the way of comments. That video was from the second reading. The third and final reading, there were many more people in attendance, where I think about 12 citizens voiced dissent and one voiced approval. Then the City Council promptly passed it with the same 6-1 vote that the previous two readings had.

What's most disturbing is where the city council members are leaving the Constitutionality of the measure up to a higher court in pursuit of even more government power.

"I believe it is our right to protect the citizens the best we can," said Runchey (City Council member), "and that's one of the roles of government."

But a citizen objected, "Giving up our rights for your idea of what's best protecting us is unconstitutional."

"That is something that will be decided by a higher authority than you or I," Runchey concluded.

Unbelievable. It's insane.

I honestly don't know what the recall procedures are for Cedar Falls, or what criteria can be used to initiate one. Usually a recall petition (or recall election) requires just a bunch of signatures within a certain time frame to get one going. A small handful of states require some sort of misconduct or malfeasance to be identified by the petitioners. I know Georgia and Kansas are two of those, but I think only about 5 or 6 states require it. Minnesota, too, I think. I don't think Iowa is one of them.

I think they'll go the court route first, but that may be a mistake, considering the Illinois Supreme Court just ruled that police officers can illegally enter your home and you are not allowed to offer resistance, and that on the heels of the US Supreme Court's 8-1 ruling that police can enter a home without a warrant if they smell what they believe is marijuana, knock and identify themselves, and then hear evidence – or at least what they think is evidence – being destroyed. Where one unfortunately timed flush could have the police surrounding your bathroom.

They're better off with a recall, or in a small college town like that, just put community pressure on the individual Council members to change the ordinance.

I have no idea what the penalty for non-compliance is. I can't find the actual ordinance online anywhere. I just a little while ago read that it also includes businesses with sprinkler systems, too. So it's pretty much all commercial property.

And I wonder just how many geldings there are saying, "They just want to keep us safe! C'mon, we have to obey the law..."
I can actually understand the thinking behind it, in certain situations. Like large apartment complexes where the the landlords have the keys anyway, and most rental agreements state the landlord or his agent (including the fire department) can enter the apartment in an emergency, and maybe at college dorms. But that's about it. A hardware store? Office supply? An insurance office? No way.

Molasses and feathers, that's the proper response, in addition to six recalls.
Would certainly make the point. But the way things are today, that could get the entire town 30-to-life for assaulting an elected official with a sticky substance. <snort>
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
Unfortunately, being a college town probably helps the statists. College kids don't seem to value freedom and privacy much. 180° from when I was young.
 

LDB

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I'd go buy the cheapest lock set available and put that key in the box on the theory they should never be touching it anyway and would never know the difference. Then I'd go back to work on the recall. If they asked me why my key didn't work when there hadn't been a legitimate emergency to use it then I'd own them.
 
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