GOP in dire straights

DougTravels

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I guess the GOP has really alienated itself from most

Americans.

Democrats Now Boast Party ID Edge -- Politics Daily

Democrats Now Boast Party ID Edge

A new Gallup poll released Friday foretells of significant electoral difficulties for the demographically-challenged Republican Party: Democrats now possess a party identification advantage across every age group, from 18- to 85-years-old.

According to the polling firm, the partisan gap is most evident among voters in their 20s, 40s and 50s -- Generation Y and the Baby Boomers, respectively, both of which voted overwhelmingly for President Barack Obama in 2008. Party salience, however, decreases among middle-aged and elderly voters -- the Generation X and senior bases to which Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) attributed his modest 2008 election gains. There, the GOP only trails Democrats by single digits.

To be fair, the numbers possess only moderate intrinsic value. Party identification is hardly a perfect predictor of voting behavior, especially at a time when split-ticket voting is common. Moreover, it is difficult, if not impossible, to generalize across an entire, fractured electorate. Universal traits, like age, mean very little when gerrymandered Congressional districts and disparate states determine electoral outcomes.

What the numbers do affirm, however, is the ubiquitous link between age and experience. As Gallup noted, the political, social and economic circumstances under which each age group gained its right to vote have likely shaped those groups' political party preferences. The Baby Boomers, for example, matured during the fight for civil rights and the war in Vietnam; despite a rocky history, the Democratic Party now suits their prerogatives well. Generation Y, similarly, identifies most closely with September 11 and George W. Bush, who was essentially their "first president." Their strong support for Obama is more likely than not to return in 2012.

But it is the forthcoming group of voters -- those teenagers, still unaccustomed to the civic sphere, who are growing up amid an awful recession -- that should truly concern Republicans. These soon-to-be voters are presently revising their college plans, coping with the loss of their temporary or summer employment -- and, more importantly, watching their parents struggle with similar sacrifices. They comprise a generation that has an acute understanding of the relationship between the economy and the self, and perhaps soon, the markets and the federal government.

Efforts to connect with these voters and frame the national conversation about the economy are thus important to both the political parties and their long-term agendas; the parties' livelihoods are at stake. Unfortunately, the GOP historically lags behind Democrats at such generation-specific marketing. Regarding the economy, the GOP's attacks have not resonated, their support on those issues is dwindling and their counter-policies number nil. This is doubly troubling, considering that fiscal conservatism has replaced social conservatism as the party's raison d'etre. Add to that identity crisis a historic disconnect with young voters -- both substantively and technologically -- and it is easy to understand why Democrats dominated in 2008 and may continue to do so in 2010 and 2012.

Of course, political time is paradoxically slow and fast. Campaigns drag on for months, yet campaign gaffes go public almost immediately. Changes in today's electorate mean nothing until tomorrow's election, but a lack of political foresight is a terminal illness. All of this is to suggest that Republicans, once again, desperately need cohesion -- a better strategy for dealing with voters, especially younger ones, and a message that possesses some degree of universality. Until then, the party is doomed to struggle among every demographic, regardless of what the polls suggest
 

aristotle

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DougsTravails.... as a potential friend (first you must renounce this silly Liberalism) I feel compelled to tell you that your Good Sheperd (Obama) is committing unnatural acts of animal husbandry amongst his flock of Democrats. Please come to your senses. Save yourself. This nonstop Obama worship clouds clear thinking.
 

OntarioVanMan

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DougsTravails.... as a potential friend (first you must renounce this silly Liberalism) I feel compelled to tell you that your Good Sheperd (Obama) is committing unnatural acts of animal husbandry amongst his flock of Democrats. Please come to your senses. Save yourself. This nonstop Obama worship clouds clear thinking.

This is debate?

Actually there has been very little debate lately...just plain nasty stuff....seems some just have to make their point no matter what...BOTH sides.
 

greg334

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Actually I agree with Dougie on this one (but not all of the article), the republicans are completely lost and are part of the rudderless crowd at this moment.

They are out of touch with reality right now with Steele, he is a hip hop leader like Kwamee and I see he hasn't been aggressive enough to put the party back on track let alone making a strong point against the unbalanced government we have.

They put McCain up for president, who most of us voted for Palin because McCain is out of touch (immigration ring a bell) and we ended up with a close race.

They should read what some are saying, put Abortion, Christian demands and other far right issues on the side for now, focus on the center and near right issues and start talking money, economy and accountablity as a party, not as individuals. Kick out the people who disagree with you, or help them to lose in the primaries so they are out of the way completely.

I actually think that the Christian issue is a stopper for most closet republicans and people who are looking for a party. For example Gays are one group that could do well with the party if there wasn't this ignorant thought within the party, republicans were the ones who equaled the playing field in ever administration and congress they had and the gay issue if handled properly would put the dems at a loss quickly.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I've noticed its the left or conservs that have a problem with the gay issue....they fight it instead of going with it.....Gay is not a disease....to be wiped out. It is a fact.
 

aristotle

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This is debate?

Actually there has been very little debate lately...just plain nasty stuff....seems some just have to make their point no matter what...BOTH sides.

Of course it's not debate. Doug knows I am joking with him as we throw barbs at each other on a regular basis.

From whence comes this foul mood today, OVM?
 

OntarioVanMan

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Of course it's not debate. Doug knows I am joking with him as we throw barbs at each other on a regular basis.

From whence comes this foul mood today, OVM?

It is Monday and I am in the middle of a swarm of vans and can't find a hole/gap in the defense to score....just had a shower and shave so all is well now!

And your day??:D

And I am just down the road from Rocket!!
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
It is Monday and I am in the middle of a swarm of vans and can't find a hole/gap in the defense to score....just had a shower and shave so all is well now!

And your day??:D

And I am just down the road from Rocket!!

I am having an outstanding day, but it's still early.

Watched my son and 329 other fine young men graduate from USMC basic training on Friday in Parris Island,SC. Every last one of them looked as chiseled as professional athletes. Sometimes, I forget how incredibly young our troops are. Most of them seem to be 18-20 years old. They have already been told to expect a probable deployment to Afghanistan by Thanksgiving Day.
 

chefdennis

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aristotle congrats and be proud, as i know you are from speaking with you in person about this! Your son is a true America Hero......Congrats!!
 

aristotle

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aristotle congrats and be proud, as i know you are from speaking with you in person about this! Your son is a true America Hero......Congrats!!
It's an equal mixture of pride and worry. They will be thrown into the crucible soon enough. I have this gnawing anxiety about the Taliban's resurgence in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It appears things are about to flare up there in a major way, according to Gen. David Petraeus.
 

greg334

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What do you mean by this? Sounds racist.
How does it sound racist?

You from Detroit?

It is clear that Steele, like Kwame is trying to reach out to the minorities within the party and outside of the party, more specifically the younger people but ignoring the other 80% who are not of that background. It is his background and rightfully so that he does this, but to go as far as he seems to think it needs to go will not garner any attraction to the party as a whole for a lot of people.

Palin? You can't be serious.
Yes I am, the appeal of McCain was wanning, they didn't use Palin as effectively as she could have been used and that her appeal was stronger than McCain's who didn't really stand for anything different that what Obama stood for. I think, after wading past all the criticism of Palin and looking at how the republicans dropped the ball, it was clear that she was the secondary reason for people to vote republican.

Abortion is not an executive decision. It isn't even a federal issue. Ronald Reagan brought it up back when he ran for President the first time to divide the masses. There is wide speculation that if Bobby Kennedy had lived, he would have never allowed the democrats to fall into this trap.
First you are right it isn't about an executive decision. It is and it isn't about a federal issue either. It is about privacy rights and the court but Reagan didn't really make an issue as you may think, after the Watergate thing, we were looking at things differently and it finally came to the surface within the party itself and used as one of the platforms, it has been so twisted around by zealots on both sides of the issue.

If you look at the Kennedy/LBJ administrations closely and how things within democratic party of the time, you may see that Bobby had his hand in shaping things as they are today. He did start a lot of backhanded political speak within the AG office and carried a lot of it over to his campaign in '67/68. He wasn't a saint by any means, examine his AG tenure.
When your platform becomes nothing more than bashing the other side, calling them names, questioning patriotism, etc. You are doomed to fail. The democrats finally figured that out. They were guilty of the same thing for many years.
Allowing a blowhard drug addicted radio personality to speak for your group and having his rhetoric endorsed by the former Vice President doesn't help either.
Agreed to a point, when the platform becomes nothing more than bashing, name calling and so on, it is a problem. But isn't that what the dems have set out to do, using techniques of shame, yelling and trying to shut down any debate (reasonable mature debate) to get their point across? I mean look at Air America, or listen to the global warming zealots (can you have a mature discussion with them?) or here is one for you – Janeane Garofalo on Keith Obermann;

"It's not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. This is about hating a black man in the White House. This is racism straight up. That is nothing but a bunch of tea-bagging rednecks."

So calling names is not going on from the die-hard democrats?

This is from an entertainer who is being backed by a lot of democrats.

So isn't she also a blow-hard drugged addicted entertainer (rush is an entertainer nothing more)?

I see no difference or lessons learned, do you?

Keith Obermann is another clown that takes away from any real debate we need in this country but because he is the SNL type of journalist, we have to take his word as accurate and meaningful.

Cronkite, the old fart of journalism, has called us ignorant back in 2005;

“We're an ignorant nation right now. We're not really capable I do not think the majority of our people of making the decisions that have to be made at election time and particularly in the selection of their legislatures and their Congress and the presidency of course.”

Isn't this the basic philosophy of the people who are shutting down debate?

They are actually saying we are incapable of making decisions because we are not enlightened enough to understand the complexity of these problems.
 

chefdennis

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Now this is pretty timly as i just read a very good article about the 2 parties and the reason we are in the situation we are in.

I also find it funny that Dougie figures if you have issues with barrys ideals and what he is doing to the country, that you have to be a member of the GOP, and had to vote for their parties candiate.....well I have said here more then once, I am a registered independent, voted twice for clinton and didn't vote for mc cain, palin, or barry...did vote for bush strictly for his war policies, (his spending and homeland policy was a joke, but i wasn't voting foe gore or kerry and the 3rd party canidates at that time just weren't close to my way of thinking (i am a constitutionalist, lean right and a bit towards the libertarian party) soo, read this article, maybe it will make sense to you, if not, keep doin what you have been, most of america does anyhow.............

Devvy Kidd -- Rewarding crooks and incompetents

REWARDING CROOKS AND INCOMPETENTS


By: Devvy
May 11, 2009
© 2008 - NewsWithViews.com

“There are basically two types of people. People who accomplish things, and people who claim to have accomplished things. The first group is less crowded.” --Mark Twain
The other day another email came into my mail box about "taking back America" with a note to support a candidate. Going into my twentieth year of full time activism, I've heard it before, only to see people chase the same non solutions. The tea parties continue with lots of newly awakened and angry Americans. I have said for a long time that people don't become activists until the system hurts them in some way or disturbs their comfort zone. When enough Americans become victims of the federal machine, they will react. That time has come and is building, but will Americans pursue solutions or be distracted with things like "We need a third party!"


The solutions to return this country to a constitutional republic (we are not a democracy) is already there in the U.S. Constitution. But, let me respond to the email I referenced above because we have to remember this: Who makes the laws? Congress and your state legislatures; minor ones at the local levels of government. Who enforces those laws? Law enforcement; sheriffs and local police. The courts are rancid at the federal level with judges and justices legislating from the bench. Not much better at the state level, but in many states you can throw them out on election day. This rarely happens because people simply punch a hole in the voting card next to a judge's name they saw on a sign without knowing a single case that judge decided.


Reality vs denial

There can be change no change with the same incumbent. Let me give you one example: I watched Diane Feinstein (there's enough hard evidence to send her to prison forever and I don't make that statement lightly) on FOX during the rape session (bail outs last year). She said 90,000 people called her office about the bailouts. 80,000 said no and she voted for all of it anyway. You see, these craven crooks in Congress don't give a tinker's d**n what you and I want.
Unless and until you can remove at least 300 incumbents in the House and 60 or more in the Senate, the same party with two different names will go back in January 2011 to the agenda of the global elites who own them .
Do you know Thomas Jefferson belonged to the Democratic-Republican Party ( Democratic-Republican+Party legal definition of Democratic-Republican+Party. Democratic-Republican+Party synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary. )? So did Madison, Monroe and John Quincy Adams. Andy Jackson was a Democrat. It's not the party that counts (I belong to none), it's what the individual stands for without wavering in those principles and convictions that matters. Personally, I believe the Democratic Party should merge with the Communist Party USA because there is zero difference in ideology and goals.
The Republican Party wants to 'reinvent' itself. What hogwash and it's all for public consumption to fool voters into reelecting incumbents or ousting a few Democrats.


Americans have been committing national suicide for decades. They vote the same incumbents back into office over one issue: More money for education! Save social security! Save Medicare! which is now $30 TRILLION in the hole. Protect abortion! Save sodomy! Save the whales! The list goes on and on.
I've seen the insanity repeat itself over and over and over.
People will "forgive" their House member or Senator because "the other side" is worse. They still can't see the truth because of blind loyalty to their party.
This emailer complained that GOP Chairman Michael Steele won't back a candidate like Lt. Col. Allen West. Lt. Col. West is a patriotic American and I thank him for his service. However, he offers up band aids for most of the issues. Not Devvy's solutions, but constitutional solutions. We don't need more band aids that treat the symptoms while the patient is dying on the operating table.
I've read the issues page on his web site. The Constitution does not authorize Congress to legislate education, the environment or health care. No more laws to keep these monstrous drains on the people's purse alive; they must be abolished just like the FDA (Federal Death Administration). West makes no mention of the constitutional solutions to those cabinets sucking up money that doesn't exist by the trillions.


West supports the insidious NON solution called a flat tax. That old lie (just like the flat tax) has been around for years. A so called flat tax would only continue to feed the money machine (FED) and solve NOTHING. It is funding the same problems using a different method. Moving the deck chairs on the Titanic.
His explanation regarding taxation has zero reality when you understand why the Framers of the Constitution wrote the apportionment section. Very disappointing.


West does not address the core cancer: Monetary reform by abolishing the privately owned Federal Reserve. All the rest of his ideas on the economy mean nothing if you don't cut out the cancer.
He talks about national disaster insurance. More government bureaucracy.
Art. 1, Sec. 8 of the U.S. Constitution does not and has never authorized Congress to be a bank or insurance company.


This must be left to the private sector without government interference; Tenth Amendment. Just because Congress has gotten away with it (and massively failed for the past 75 years) doesn't mean you continue down the same path of drinking a little more arsenic every day and hope to become healthy.


Yes, we should continue pounding on this criminal element out in DC., but they have to be replaced or nothing will change. No mercy. No exceptions. I doubt Ron Paul will run again.
As a matter of fact, Congress will be out of session May 25-29th. They will be home in their districts and there should be thousands of people everyday with signs in front of their offices or any town hall meetings they have scheduled.
Obama/Soetoro and this current Congress will continue to destroy this country with massive spending. Incumbent Republicans will continue to jump up and down and protest. These are the same GOP incumbents that for over a decade while in power, did the very same thing while the Democrats did the jump up and down routine.


The Republicans held power from January 1995 - November 2006. Most of them are still there. They didn't eliminate one cabinet, one agency or the income tax. They did not get us out of the communist run UN or lift a pen towards monetary reform. They outspent the Democrats and voted to destroy the Bill of Rights at every opportunity, erecting a police state that has become intolerable for a free people. The Democrats have simply picked up where they left off times ten. The same old horse and pony show because Americans continue to reward the same incumbents over and over and over. In Nov 2006, there was no blood bath. 27 seats out of 435 changed. Big whoop.


Obama/Soetoro and this Congress will continue to loot this country dry. That is the agenda and it's in hyper-drive. Even if Obama is removed and he must be, you can't put Biden in the Oval Office. He is in the first stages of dementia or Alzheimer's. I know, I have elderly family members who suffer from it and I know the signs. That leaves the fanatically insane Comrade Nancy Pelosi. All options are toxic for this constitutional republic, but we have to move forward because the Constitution matters.


I recently wrote a column about boots on the ground. We must throw out these incumbents by the hundreds. That means identifying a candidate in your district, get them signed up legally with the Secty of State so they don't miss filing deadlines (in some cases up to a year in advance of election day) and then in January 2010, people have to work to get them elected. That means getting to your local committee meetings for your party and telling the leadership you will NOT support the incumbent. Take control, folks and quit allowing these petty Napoleons in your district push you around.


If your candidate is a real constitutionalist, the machine will do everything to keep the incumbent in power and all forms of electronic voting and counting will do the rest. We must get all electronic forms of voting and counting eliminated county by county before those 2010 elections. Otherwise, throw in the criminal syndicate, ACORN, and we face another massive vote fraud election.
Ron Paul's bill to audit the FED is now gaining ground. Those Republicans who are now sponsors have ignored his bills for years, some for decades. Now that the people are enraged, they're jumping on the bandwagon.
Are people going to forgive them for destroying this country and the Bill of Rights for all the years they've been in office just because they're now supporting one bill?
If that's the case, people don't really want change or the solutions.


Ron Paul introduced the solution on June 15, 2007: A bill to abolish the privately owned FED. It had ZERO co sponsors and has just sat there. Now these GOP incumbents who support the audit bill suddenly want to take a peek, but that's acceptable. Abolish it? They're either too ignorant of the subject matter or too cowardly.


Will Americans reward them again in November 2010? Probably and it will simply be a tragedy for this republic.


Let me tell you one thing you should remember: The global power elite own governments on this earth. They move them around like chess pieces. They murder presidents, they run wars like a business. They are powerful beyond what most people can understand. They are ruthless. Evil runs in their veins. The fight will be ugly and it will get messy if people are serious enough to make the 2010 election cycle: No Mercy. No Exceptions. No incumbents.
Doing the same thing again or supporting candidates who don't know the solutions - just massaging old rhetoric - will not change anything. Voting back one single incumbent will not change anything. They've all had years, some multiple decades, to get the job done and instead have pushed us to the edge of the cliff.


This is why I am an unpaid Board member for The Committees of Safety. I know what's coming and I also know that it must be the state legislatures that slap Washington, DC in the face. Most are now out of session, but the work is underway. When the state legislatures go back into session January 2010, we will be ready (except Texas; our legislature doesn't go into session again until January 2011). The state legislatures can reject the criminal syndicate in DC, but not without massive support by we the people in our states. All politics are local. We can kill Agenda 21 at the local level. We must take back America county by county and make our state legislatures accountable to we the people for it is our government. Self-governance means just that.

Now I don't agree with very point in this article, but there is enough their to make you look at things...neither party really gives a d*nm about what the people want, until it is close to their time for re-election, other then that, they will do as the want and we just don't matter, that is why i don't vote 'party".. No candiate will ever fit all of our individual wants from them, and some will vote for the lesser of the evils, and yet others will follow the herd mentality.

Is the GOP party a mess? You bet, and the Dems were for more then a few yrs also, it is the dems time right now....The one thing that you may see and I would like it to happen, is we could see a real legit 3rd party come of this mess with the GOP...that could hurt in the short run, as it will divide the party and if the 3rd party supports of now don't follow the splinter of the GOP, then the dems win again ...but in the long run if a real legit strongly supported 3rd party could emerge, thats all good.......
 

Pilgrim

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I agree wholeheartedly that the GOP is rudderless right now, but this is due to a total lack of leadership. Michael Steele was a good face on TV during the campaign, but has proven that he's not ready for prime time having been elected head of the Republican party. McCain was a loser from the beginning of the campaign and has once again assumed his place as an innocuous Senator from AZ. Now we have these centrists on the "Listening Tour" which has become a joke. No one has emerged as the true voice for the conservative principles that define the mainstream of the party.

Unfortunately, there are a few Republicans that think being "Democrat-Lite" it the way to attract voters - problem is, this approach would only attract Democrat voters that might splinter off for some reason. It doesn't have the broad appeal that some might think.

At some point a true leader will have to emerge - someone that is willing to take the villification from the mainstream media and go directly to the American people to get their message across. Also, the rank and file Republicans are going to have to grow a spine and not let their leaders be labeled and selected by the clowns on Sat. Night Live and the Daily Show. It's amazing how many people think the cr*p on those programs is factual, when all these fools are doing is following Alinsky's rules for targeting and ridiculing opponents. Informed people should not let bimbos like Tina Fey and Jeneane Garafolo influence their selection of national leaders.

Maybe Mitt Romney will finally decide what he want to be when he grows up. Perhaps Bobby Jindal or Sarah Palin will continue to evolve and become more mature and seasoned leaders. At any rate, the GOP will continue to "blow in the wind" until a true leader emerges with the courage to preach the gospel that we believe leads to success and freedom for us as individuals: smaller govt, lower taxes, less regulation, stronger national defense and secure borders. They won't have to be a Reagan clone, but the basic message he established is the one behind which the GOP base will rally.
 

DougTravels

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Greg: I think you are wrong on the Palin topic. It doesn't really matter now but I believe mainstream America was very turned off by her, and McCain woulda fared much better with someone else. I am not sure who else but I believe Palin hurt him badly.
 

aristotle

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Greg: I think you are wrong on the Palin topic. It doesn't really matter now but I believe mainstream America was very turned off by her, and McCain woulda fared much better with someone else. I am not sure who else but I believe Palin hurt him badly.

Doug... I found Sarah Palin to be a very appealing candidate, as did many of my conservative friends. Hers was the most refreshing new voice to come along in quite a while. To her detriment, she allowed herself to be caricatured by the liberal press and the comedians.

I hope Palin runs at the top of the GOP ticket in 2012 with a slightly sharper edge in her rhetoric and a take-no-prisoners attitude when dealing with the press. When GOP candidates play nice with the liberals, the libs win.
 

greg334

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Greg: I think you are wrong on the Palin topic. It doesn't really matter now but I believe mainstream America was very turned off by her, and McCain woulda fared much better with someone else. I am not sure who else but I believe Palin hurt him badly.

Dougie, have you really took a impartial look at her and her position on different issues?

I have and I have found that she seems to think with a clearer goal on many of the same issues that many people feel strongly about and I am not talking about Abortion. For a governor who has a higher than usual approval rating, it seems that the people can't be all that dumb to think she is doing a good job.

It is clear that there are a concerted effort by the media to trash her, like her interview with Curic the idiot. It goes on from there and what mattered was how she was handled by the republicans during the campaign, she was kept in the background for a while and the reason was they didn't think she was really on board with McCain and his wishy washy effort.

McCain is a fool, sorry if you think otherwise but he hurt himself by being blunt and divisive on many issues and shuting up on others. He wanted to have a clean campaign when we needed a hard fought campaign and didn't show many of us he had the faith in the country to fight for it. His position on immigration was a turn off for a lot of people (which he lost my respect over), and so was his health care solutions which were off the mark.

Oh yea, I don't know why people think SNL was so great to make fools of everyone, they should find better writers but again after the second generation, they were just hashing over the same old stuff.
 

DougTravels

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I hope Palin runs at the top of the GOP ticket in 2012 with a slightly sharper edge in her rhetoric and a take-no-prisoners attitude when dealing with the press. When GOP candidates play nice with the liberals, the libs win.

The Democrats also hope she runs, that would ensure another victory for the good guys.
 

DougTravels

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Dougie, have you really took a impartial look at her and her position on different issues?

I have and I have found that she seems to think with a clearer goal on many of the same issues that many people feel strongly about and I am not talking about Abortion. For a governor who has a higher than usual approval rating, it seems that the people can't be all that dumb to think she is doing a good job.

It is clear that there are a concerted effort by the media to trash her, like her interview with Curic the idiot. It goes on from there and what mattered was how she was handled by the republicans during the campaign, she was kept in the background for a while and the reason was they didn't think she was really on board with McCain and his wishy washy effort.

McCain is a fool, sorry if you think otherwise but he hurt himself by being blunt and divisive on many issues and shuting up on others. He wanted to have a clean campaign when we needed a hard fought campaign and didn't show many of us he had the faith in the country to fight for it. His position on immigration was a turn off for a lot of people (which he lost my respect over), and so was his health care solutions which were off the mark.

Oh yea, I don't know why people think SNL was so great to make fools of everyone, they should find better writers but again after the second generation, they were just hashing over the same old stuff.


Yes, Gaggie I have looked at her views she is about as far Right winged religious nutjob that there is.
I agree Gaygie that she has very clear goals/agenda none of which, I believe is in the best interest of this country.
Katie Couric, sure made her look like an idiot, I don't think Palin is an idoit, (Waccked out freak yeah idiot no) but she sure looked bad in that interview.
Palin did pretty well in the Biden debate, so I have no doubt that she is smart, just nuts.
McCain is nuts? He was a good choice a solid man, and he almost had my vote once Hillary was out. He blew it with his first big decision (Palin)He is the type the GOP needs to get behind, his biggest mistake was Palin, She cost him the swing votes. He already had the conservative votes (people who would like Palin).
I'm not sure if I would have liked Hillary as much, without the peace of mind knowing she had a great leader in Bill to guide her on our path back to our greatness.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Actually Dougie, you make a point but it is lost with the lefty approach you seem to use all the time.

Curic should have treated Palin like she has treated others but alas it is clear that Palin would not get a good shake from her.

But it brings up something else, how can you vote for a racist, I don't mean a bigot but a racist - joe biden.

He has made a few comments about Indians and other races that are out of line but that's not all, even the white house has said that they are thinking about how to shut him up by using some drastic measures - "We've been all through the Constitution," says a top Obama adviser, "and there isn't a thing in there prohibiting robots.". Can you imagine if he was SoS?

What a disaster that would be but..... but.... OMG if someone on the other side of the isle said any of those things, the entire congress on the left would demand an apology, the republicans would distance themselves quickly from that person and it would be as important of an issue as American Idol in the press. So why do you overlook his far flung mental incapacities and other related issues but pick on a sitting governor who's state thinks she is doing a good job?

I think it is because you like to support people like that, you like to see the country embarrassed and having him one heart beat away from being president adds to your euphoria.

It isn't only him, there are others in the party you support, how would you like it to be called a terrorist because you wear a Dastar as part of your religion?

John Kerry did it and didn't seem to concern about it.

Or how about The great Hillary, a person we entrust to do the right diplomatic thing and reinforce those bridges that "are damaged by eight years of Bush", didn't she say something about Ghandi owning a gas station?

You know that is directed towards a culture of people who don't forget, they don't like insults and feel that the effort is needed to be a little more sensitive about cultural matters but then again.....
 
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