Gasoline additives

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
There are one trillion gas additives on the shelves, but an old one i rediscovered when I was in my teens is: MARVEL MYSTERY OIL, ok, Im older now, but the darn stuff works and stops the pinging, I do not add it to my oil, I use Mobile 1. Do any of u have a favorite gas additive for gas engines??
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
It's been shown conclusively that the most effective gasoline additive, the best at cleaning deposits and eliminating pings/knocks, is not to use an additive at all, but rather to simply switch brands of gasolines every 5000 miles. If you are a brand loyalist (and a lot of people are) and will only use this or that brand, then you probably should use some kind of carbon deposit cleaner additive, but you need to change the brand of additive every time you use one, then.

All gasolines are refined and engineered to certain octane levels and other specifications. Base gasolines, right out of the refinery, are all basically the same. It's a commodity. Oil companies swap base gasoline all the time. Texaco gasoline may have come from a Exxon refinery and Exxon gasoline may have come from a Shell refinery, and vice-versa badda bing. For example, at the Exxon refinery in Houston, you may see trucks from a dozen different companies, Chevron, Shell, BP, etc., all loading at the same Exxon terminal at the same time. That's the base gasolines they are loading up with, and not the branded gasolines. What comes next, however, is what makes the brands different, it's what makes Texaco Texaco and Shell Shell. The additives.

Each company has its own additive and adds it to the base gasoline. So while the base gasoline may be the same, the additive is different, and hence the brand of gasoline you use is different because of the additive, not the base gasoline. The additives in each brand are chemically and molecularly different, and thus will clean and lubricate differently.

The additives, whether already in the gasoline or something you add, will leave its own unique type and molecular deposits, different than base gasoline alone will. Your engine will build some kind of deposit based upon what additive you have in the fuel, be it added by your or by the oil company. An additive will not generally clean its own deposits, since the deposits made by the additive are not foreign to the additive. A different additive will. It'll see the deposits as foreign and will clean it right up.

5000 miles is just easy to remember. You can switch brands sooner than that, but you should go at least 5 tank fulls between swapping, or about 2000 miles (otherwise you're just mixing additives in the same tank). Once you've switched brands, the vast majority of deposit cleanup with the new brand will have occurred after about 1000 miles, and the rest will get cleaned out by 2000 miles. After that, the new deposits start to form, and around the 5000 mile mark is a good place to switch again.

No need to make it complicated, as switching between 3-4 brands is enough. Three, really. You want at least three because you could be switching back and forth between two brands that both use the same or very similar additives. The companies that tout their additives as being best will all use different additives. Shell, Exxon, Chevron, BP, Texaco, Conoco-Phillips, QuickTrip and Union 76 all use different additives (courtesy of a Corvette Usenet newsgroup where the members are really anal about this stuff). Pick three, like run Shell for 5000 miles, then switch to Exxon for 5000, then switch to Chevron for 5000, and then start all over again. Or, go to a 4th or 5th brand if you like. The key is to consistently switch additives to clean out the deposits, and keep them clean.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, the refiners and retailers of diesel aren't allowed to add detergent additives, so it's up to the consumer to use the proper fuel treatments.


Incidentally, here's the MSDS on MARVEL MYSTERY OIL.

BENZENE, 1,2-DICHLORO- (solvent that increases octane and reduces knocking, same as putting a higher octane gasoline in the tank. A carcinogen, currently limited to 1% in gasolines, will be reduced to .62% in 2010 by the EPA)

MINERAL SPIRITS (solvent, particularly good at removing carbon from metal)

NAPTHENIC HYDROCARBONS (a hydrogenated benzene, also known as cycloparaffin, a lubricant oil)
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Thanks for the info, Ive been doing gas changing brand thing for sometime now, hve found that the brands with the 10 percent ethonal ping worse n my 318 gas dodge. I hve found some truckstops that do not have ethanol n the ping stops. The marvel mystery did stop pinging . My advice for gas mileage to is to slow down, slow down, slow down,, 63 is my average speed now, 16 mpg is good for me.( ok, that was a sidebar trip, lol) sky
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I use BP gasoline with Invigorate® exclusively. According to a recent survey, today’s drivers are seeking to recapture youth and vitality in their vehicles much like they are in their own lives. In fact, 78 percent of drivers are planning to keep their current vehicle longer than they had originally expected in light of the current economic conditions. In comparison, 88 percent of those surveyed agreed that it is important to prolong their own youth.

Prolonging one's youth, what more could you possibly want from a gasoline? Plus BP has enlisted a hot young Olympic swimmer, Dara Torres, as a spokesperson.

Invigorate® is so powerful it can change a verb into a noun. Maybe it should be called Inveigle®.
 

FIS53

Veteran Expediter
The 318 wasn't designed for ethanol fuels. The ethanol gives a lower power level as it is not as efficient as a fuel. So try to keep to the 100% gasoline fuels if possible. Unfortunately the trend is to make all gas with an ethanol content across the nation. For places that sell ethanol mixtures, try using a higher octane and see if it reduces the ping. You could also use an octane booster from a auto parts place to offset the ethanol as well. I know both options cost more.
Rob
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
One of my clients in the past was an engineer for Texaco. He told me there are numerous additives in gasoline, the amount of some of them being mandated by the octane rating of the gasoline. A couple of the additives, that help keep the engine clean and control ping/knock, have mandated minimum amounts based on octane. Texaco puts the same amount of these, the premium unleaded required amount, in all 3 grades of their gasoline. He said the savings per octane step would be 0.7 cents per gallon so they put 1.4 cents more into their regular than federally mandated but it keeps engines cleaner and helps them run without knock/ping.

I had a car at the time that would ping a little under load. He told me to get a silver bottle of STP and use that with Texaco premium gasoline, making sure I was down to 1/4 - 1/8 tank before adding it and the premium. Follow it with 4 more tanks of Texaco premium and then drop back to Texaco regular. I did that and never had a problem after that. I didn't run anything but Texaco in it from that point forward and it did great. Prior to that I used to buy where I could get the best price. I had one chemistry class and only took it because I had to. I can't tell you anything about any of this other than relating what the Texaco engineer told me and the results I had. It worked so I believe him in what he told me. ymmv
 

Dakota

Veteran Expediter
In my personal car I use Marathon gas which has STP added in it. I am not brand loyal, the station just happens to be around the corner from my house.
I used to use Chevron or 76 exclusively in California
Chevron had the techroline<--spelling

I have and have had in the past VW Beetles
When leaded gas went by the wayside I used to buy lead substitute to save the valve seats. Later I found out it is not needed in the VW due to the Magnesium block or the way the seats are made. Wish would have known that way back, I paid alot of money for lead substitute.
 
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