For those interested: Tony Blair 'deeply and profoundly regrets' Iraq dead

redytrk

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I could understand the Bush/Cheney motives, but I never could understand Tony's.
 

EnglishLady

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Because he felt that the British needed to fix the past.


I don't know about that, but I do know that the majority of us felt (and I believe it was in print to) that when America calls we come running ..... "America's poodle".

The anger at the Blair Government at that time was fierce to say the least.

We are hoping that something more than...
"I believed that there were WMD's in Iraq"
will come out of this hearing so we can finally know the truth of why we went Iraq in the way that we did.
 

greg334

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I don't know about that, but I do know that the majority of us felt (and I believe it was in print to) that when America calls we come running ..... "America's poodle".

Well not to insult you Sue but the problem is with many of your fellow Brits is they are very short sighted when it comes down to history. They seem to forget that their single handed involvement of in the middle east has been the catalyst for what we have today.

Iraq specifically they had a hand in not only changing the government but also had a hand in the partitioning of the Arabian Peninsula during the Paris Peace Conference in 1919 which went against the advice of T.E. Lawrence with his warning that it will come back to bit everyone in the a**.

The anger at the Blair Government at that time was fierce to say the least.

I understand that but they, like the US have gotten soft when we forget what it was like and how many have perished in the past. Even simple conflicts are forgotten, and like many can point out the combined losses of the Iraq war don't even compare to the training exercise losses from 1942 to 1944.

We are hoping that something more than...
"I believed that there were WMD's in Iraq"
will come out of this hearing so we can finally know the truth of why we went Iraq in the way that we did.

Well the thing that gets me is no one seems to understand the capabilities of that old regime or how money can provide technology for the weapons but also the exit for the weapons. We are not talking about a small terrorist group but a large country who has more than goat herders and used camel salesmen running around. A lot of the technology within the country is hidden, even now as a nation, we don't get at what level of education a lot of the Iraqis have.

The mistake wasn't telling the world that was what they were looking for but rather answering the demand they produce the results. This and the idea we are obligated to provide access for the press as in embedded journalist, has been one of the big issues of the entire conflict.

IF you want a graphic reminder about something that makes no sense, the Germans in the first war used chemical weapons, but in the second war the Brits expected them to use them again. SO the Brits prepared, not knowing that Hitler didn't care about using chemical weapons (remember they figured out how to produce Sarin and Tabun and stock piled it before the war and could have used them) nor wanted to use chemicals against the Brits because of his experience in the first war. However two really important issues that we tend to forget are;

The allies did use mustard gas in Italy, pretty much by accident but still people were hurt and killed by it - including children.

and the horrid sequence of events that took place among the brits during the ramping up of the war which you can ask any elderly person what they did to prepare but will say that it wasn't necessary or needed and surely something that if people would know about in mass, would be put off.
 
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