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[letzrockexpress]

OH GOODY!!

Effectively, NO! It is not the government's money to take or lose. So not taking the money from someone, is NOT a subsidy. A subsidy is where you take the money from George of the Jungle, out of his banana fund, and give it to Flipper to buy fish.

Say what? I think you don't know what Effectively means. Or maybe I'm suffering from the same syndrome as Cheri...

 

[layoutshooter]

Say what???

You never met George of the Jungle?

 

[letzrockexpress]

You never met George of the Jungle?

Not personally, no.

 

[davekc]

"A penny borrowed is almost as good as a penny confiscated"

It is as good when they get you to pay for that borrowed penny that they give to someone else.

 

[layoutshooter]

It is as good when they get you to pay for that borrowed penny that they give to someone else.

Marxists don't "get" you to pay for it, they put a gun to your head and take it! In this country they get the IRS to do that.

 

[WanderngFool]

Why tax ANY income? Income taxes, the more progressive the worse they are, are counter productive. IF we must have an income tax, everyone should pay the same rate. I prefer a sales tax. One rate.

"Penny saved is a penny earned" is anti-Marxism/socialism. The Marxist/socialist says "A penny confiscated is a penny earned for the government" They also say,
"A penny borrowed is almost as good as a penny confiscated"

Why am I not surprised? The folks that go on and on about taking responsibility can't even be stand-up enough to say "hey ya know what, I was wrong, it happens that way sometimes".

You were wrong about your claim that ultra-conservatism is synonymous with marxism and now you're wrong about what constitutes a subsidy.

 

[layoutshooter]

Not personally, no.

You have led a sheltered life. George can't stand Flipper, he has no use for dead beats.

 

[layoutshooter]

Why am I not surprised? The folks that go on and on about taking responsibility can't even be stand-up enough to say "hey ya know what, I was wrong, it happens that way sometimes".

You were wrong about your claim that ultra-conservatism is synonymous with marxism and now you're wrong about what constitutes a subsidy.

SO, you believe that the government is ENTITLED to other's private property?

What part of Marxism allows freedom? Liberalism, in the United States, WAS about freedom. Marxism is the opposite. The Marxists in this country co-opted the word "liberal" to make their swill acceptable to the "gimmiegoobers" just long enough for them to take over. THEN, it's too late.

PROVE that I am wrong. Remember, the ACA is controlled by an ARMED agency of the Federal Government. Now, why would something SO GOOD, need to have an armed agency run it? IF it were FREEDOM, IF it were a CHOICE and it was SO much better, they would not NEED to us force to put it into play.

EVERYTHING else they want, destroys freedom.

Answer this. Where do our RIGHTS come from?

 

[WanderngFool]

I get whiplash sometimes trying to have a conversation with you. We're talking about one thing, and I suppose because you don't like where the conversation is headed, from out of nowhere and totally out of context you start talking about marxists and where our rights come from and anything else that pops into your mind. It's probably that I lack the mental horsepower to keep up.

 

[layoutshooter]

I get whiplash sometimes trying to have a conversation with you. We're talking about one thing, and I suppose because you don't like where the conversation is headed, from out of nowhere and totally out of context you start talking about marxists and where our rights come from and anything else that pops into your mind. It's probably that I lack the mental horsepower to keep up.

I contend, that Marxism, is ultra-conservative, in the historical sense of the United States. The "liberals" that formed, and fought, to bring this Nation forth believed the OPPOSITE of Marxism, dictatorships, kings, and all other forms of what was the norm then, and now. They believed in FREEDOM. NOTHING the Marxist/socialist believe in promotes or enhances freedom. It removes freedom and replaces it with control. The LIBERAL idea of freedom is what I believe in.

I believe that the government does NOT grant rights, and that they do not have the right to remove nor restrict those rights. No where in the Constitution, the law of the land, does it say the government has that power.

I guess I am not understanding where it was headed. I guess it's that we believe in totally different things. I like freedom, you prefer government control. Makes it hard to converse.

Obama represents EVERYTHING that I fought against for 20 years. His ideas are the ideas of my sworn enemy.

I won't give up my freedom, and I WILL fight if I need to. Nothing will change that. No idea will change that.

 

[xmudman]

LOS is correct. Rights are not granted in the Constitution, they're affirmed. Privileges are granted and can be revoked at any time. Just ask your state's DMV. If they're anything like mine (PA), they'll flat out tell ya that they consider driving to be a privilege that can be revoked at any time. Says so right in the manual. Would you want freedom of speech to be a privilege?

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[zorry]

I was thinking, similar to WF:

What if my church paid $20,000 property tax.
As a formality, the Government(s) just handed it back.

Same end result. S U B S I D Y !

 

[layoutshooter]

I was thinking, similar to WF:

What if my church paid $20,000 property tax.
As a formality, the Government(s) just handed it back.

Same end result. S U B S I D Y !

And the point of doing that would be?

Just remember, the government is NOT entitled to private property, which money is.

 

[zorry]

Same net result as we have now..

Reasons ?
Accounting purposes ?

Hell, I don't know......
Since when does the government need a reason ?

 

[zorry]

You're against taxes, except the tax YOU LIKE ??

Does DU pay tax on any property they own ?

 

[letzrockexpress]

Taxation, by it's very essence, is coercion. It is an encroachment against freedom.

 

[zorry]

Is any civilized country tax free ?

 

[letzrockexpress]

Is any civilized country tax free ?

No, but that isn't the point.

 

[zorry]

I was just wondering if stringent anti-tax people had any other options.

 

[layoutshooter]

I was just wondering if stringent anti-tax people had any other options.

A sales tax. Everyone pays. I am not "anti-tax". I am anti what we have now. There should be only ONE tax per item. So, a bottle of booze would not have the sale tax since it is already taxed. etc.

The feds should be getting LESS in taxes than the State and locals. They should have the LEAST to do with funds. Taking away their monopoly money would take away a lot of their power.