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divspec1

Expert Expediter
Tom's post about service ratings is a great idea, and reminded me of a problem I had, and how I fixed it. This may help someone else who has a problem with a dealership.
In 1998 I bought a new FL-70. After the warranty ran out (of course) I had a problem with my check engine light coming on. The truck was running fine, then all of a sudden started losing power and engine vibrating almost like when fuel starts to gel. I knew that wasnt the problem as it was summertime. I pulled out my Freightliner book and found the nearest Freightliner dealer which was Freightliner of Knoxville. I called them to advise of my problem and my ETA, and was told no problem come on in. I arrived at dealer and they pulled truck into service bay. After 2 hours I was told it was a injector, they did not have one and would have to wait until morning. Not a big deal, I slept in the truck and first thing in the morning they had sent someone to get the part, replaced it, I paid and was on my way. About the time I got to the Michigan state line they truck started doing the same thing. I called the dealer back and more or less was told tough luck there is nothing they could do about it. Needless to say I was seeing red. I went to Michigan CAT as I had a CAT engine. Within 5 minutes the service manager advised the problem was with the wiring that connects onto the injector. He said that it appeared to have been that way for a while, and there is no way that the dealer should not have caught it as it was on the injector that they replaced. I had CAT do the repair, and the Service Mgr. wrote me out a narrative statement as to what they found, and how dealer should have caught it. Freightliner dealer as well as Freightliner customer service did not want to hear anything I had to say and blew me off. I remembered that once I had read that if you use a credit card to pay for a product or service and you have a problem, and problem can not be reasonabily solved with the management of retailer or provider, that you can contact credit card company and basically they stop payment on the transaction. I contacted credit card customer service and told them of what I heard and what the problem was. They said that what I heard was in fact true, they faxed me a complaint form, I filled it out and faxed it back, and when I received my statement the next month the charge showed up, and then a credit for the charged amount. About a week later I received a bill in the mail from the dealer with a letter saying I needed to send payment immeadately as my credit card was declined for payment. I called them and told them why, and the said that I could not do that it was against the law. I told them i was not, and what they did should be, and told them to take me to court for it and maybe my case against them would be heard on the same day by the same judge, and save us both some time!!
Anyway to get to the point this credit card rule still applies today, so I would recommend using plastic to pay for repairs so if there is a problem you can get them where it hurts. This rule does not apply to debit cards, only credit cards.
 

Glen Rice

Veteran Expediter
Hate to say it but wiring harness problems still exist and are often mis-diagnosed. Not the answer you wanted just my observation. I don't think there is going to be a dealer or Truck Repair shop that will be not targeted by someone. The idea has merit, just not going to happen. Again just my opinion.
 

sylvester

Expert Expediter
Glen, up till now I have been in total agreement with your opinions. Sorry, not on this one. With the computer age we are in and with the fact you say this is an ongoing problem (which means that's the first thing a repair shop should look for) there is no excuse for this.
Here is a suggestion. I have owned several semi's in my trucking career. Engines have been Cat, Volvo, Cummings, etc. When I would have a problem with the engine, I would call Cat or whoever the engine manufature was for there closest shop. Never had a problem by doing that. This is there field. I want someone trained and a shop that has a full inventory of parts.(no more sorry, you'll have to wait till tomorrow, we don't have that part) You might have to drive a little out of your way, but in the long run it saves you money and down time. Warranty would always be approved by doing this.
If there was a problem with the truck, it would go to the dealership.
Sylvester
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
I sure agree with Divspec1; Use a credit card for any purpose where satisfaction with the product or service is important to you. Its use gives you leverage to cause a problem with the product or service to be resolved. It does not, however, absolve the purchaser of complete payment based on his evidence alone.

When one finds themself in this situation it is appropriate to contact the credit card company and place the payment in abeyance. This is only a tool to encourage the vendor to discuss the unsat situation with you. The card company does not automatically void the sale on your say-so alone and, indeed, may reinstate the charge if they favor the vendors story over yours.

If in your shoes, I would not consider this issue with FOK to be over. In their view, I suspect, they rendered a service and you owe them an opportunity to remedy their mistake. That wassn't practical for you because you left town but, they might not view it that way. They might upset your credit rating or even cause you to be persona non grata at any or all Freightliner service centers.

I base the above comments on personal experience with my credit card company and not on any knowledge of the laws pertaining to this issue. Perhaps the quiet half of A-Team, an attorney, could shed some light here.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I am sure that would be the dealers position; in that they were not afforded the opportunity to remedy the repair.
While it is a better fit to find engine shops that specialize in your engine it may be difficult for folks who are buying these Mercedes engines. I would believe you are stuck with Freightliner. With a foreign engine I would imagine a constant problem with parts availibility. Just an observasion
If indeed he called them and they didn't provide the chance for him to go to a dealer in MI. (where he was at) then they had the chance to make a remedy at that point. If he was blown off at that point, then the dealer has lost his ability to collect if documented. That is probably why he was reimbursed from the creditor.
The amount of the repair in all likelihood would not justify any litigation on the dealers part. Not prudent to spend $1,000 to collect $500 if it is not clear you could win.
Reporting to any type of collection system is limited as one would not provide the personal information needed to submit to an agency.
Never provide a dealer with S.S.#'s or Driver License #'s. They don't need it. Vin# and address is all they need.
Davekc
 

sylvester

Expert Expediter
davekc, you touched on something I was thinking but didn't want to get off the topic. However, I'll go ahead and give my two cents worth now. When we purchase our new straight truck, I can assure you it will not have a "foriegn" motor in it. Just for the reason you pointed out. You are at the mercy of the dealer when it comes to repairs. When it comes to working on the power plant, I want those who work on this type of engine for a living. We have had a Kitty Cat in our last two trucks. No problems here. Many a Cat dealer to choose from no matter where we were. The only problem we ever had was when we took our new Volvo 770 into a Volvo dealership for a schedualed oil change on our Cat. Wrong oil filter, let's not even go passed that, LONG story.
So, here is the off subject point. When it comes to specing your next truck, what brand of engine you choose is as important as the make of the truck. If your going to run cross Country, get a well known engine with a Nation wide shop force. Sure is a secure feeling running out there knowing REAL Qualified help is always close by.
Sylvester
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I don't know about other places but in Texas if you don't pay for service work the company can put a mechanics lien on your vehicle.

Leo
truck 767

Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Perhaps the quiet half of A-Team,
>an attorney, could shed some light here.

The quiet half read your message but is reluctant to reply because her areas of expertise do not include comsumer law and she's not licensed in either state mentioned.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I agree with you. Mercedes may become a player if they keep building them in large enough numbers. It seems that they have experienced some problems though. As far as a volvo, I would go with a US engine. Here again, lack of parts and qualified technicians seem to be a problem with them. There were several people boycotting volvo at the Louisville truck show because of electric fires and problems with the front axle. I thought that the front end issues were corrected but some posts on other sites say it isn't. I'm not sure exactly what was fixed and what wasn't. They were complaining because they had numerous problems of the above and volvo refused to address it. Could be some truth to it as we watched one burn in Va scale house last week.
Davekc
 
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