I would have hate to have lived your life. The ability to acknowlege the work of subordinates, which he taught me in that one phone call, has served me well in all of my management life. There are no unimportant employees. If any one job is not done the entire plant suffers. The same goes for people. Recognizing the work of those who worked for me in different places has improved thier lives, mine and the job we were all trying to do. If that is "Kissing Butt" to you I hate to see the examples you have had. I STILL have, now young men, who were kids when the work for me call me to just talk. They tell me about thier grades, the fish they caught, thier trials and tribulations. Mr. Cheney taught me well. Layoutshooter