Census 2010

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
The reason people don't like this is because the law requiring people to answer all of the questions is, very likely, unconstitutional. Not that they haven't been usurping the Constitution on a regular basis already, but enough is enough. If we sheepishly let them chip away again at this part of the Constitution, that along with the legal requirement for lawful residence being that you have to purchase a government-backed product in health insurance, then the Constitution's days are numbered.

There are basically four types of questions on the Census. The first is explicitly Constitutional, the number of people living there. This first type of question is obviously legitimate, speaking directly to the point of the census as required by the Constitution.

The second type is about whether those people sometimes live elsewhere. While not necessarily explicitly Constitutional, is arguably legitimate, as it can aid in preventing double-counting.

The third type is individual identification: name, phone number. This personal identifying information is arguably legitimate as well, for the same basic reason: helping to get an accurate count. Naming each person can aid in listing all the people properly, and the phone number might be used for clarification, if necessary. It's a little troubling that they want this personally identifiable information, but as has been noted, it's not like they don't have that information already, so it's really not a problem.

It's the fourth type that is problematic, the demographic information which the federal government states is solely for the purposes of tailoring government programs instead of enumeration. The constitutional purpose of the census is not served with these questions: sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, relationship, housing tenure, home ownership, etc. The answers to these questions have no bearing on tax distribution for schools, school and legislature districts, or in selecting the proper number of House Representatives. Even presenting it as a feel-good thing for people to get their fair share of government programs, it is nonetheless purely for political purposes.

An interesting, and telling thing about the Census is just how ubiquitous the government and government-sponsored Web sites show up at the top of Google searches dealing with the Census. These are not showing up at the top of the search results because they are the most popular sites, I guarantee you. They all espouse either the feel-geed reasons for completely filling out the Census, or they prominently list the penalties for not doing so in a "do this, or else!" manner. The search results are so blatantly orchestrated that it's laughable if it weren't so troubling.
 

jimby82

Veteran Expediter
I usually just want the government as far out of my life as possible. We have gotten so far off base, it just isn't funny anymore. I just really would like the county to work the way it was intended, as in how Jefferson intended. Call me a "Classical Liberal", or Conservative-leaning-Libertarian, both are pretty close. LIMITED Government that follows the Constitution, as written and intended.

With that said, NOT filling out the forms MAY be playing right into the Left/Liberal/Progressive's hand.

I don't like answering those questions either, but as Turtle pointed out, the census is constitutional and Congress actually has a great deal of leeway according to how you interpret the article. I understand most of us on the Right/Libertarian side don't like dealing with the government anymore than we have to, but look at the bigger picture and see what could be at stake here.

From what I could find, only about 72% of the national population returned the census forms last time. When the forms are not sent back in, a census taker will eventually show up to get the answers. Now whether they actually are able to get the correct answers is debatable. (Remember, these will be some of the ACCORN workers, do you really trust them?)

Just my opinion, but I would think those on the "Left" would be more likely to return their forms (after all, its from the Government so it has to be good, right?) than those on the "Right". (I'm not giving them any more of my information!)

So, will states with a higher % of "Lefties" (California, New York, Illinois, New England) return a higher percentage of their forms than say those with a higher % of "Righties" (Texas, Florida, Ohio - even though we voted for Obama, Southern States)? If so, then we have to depend on the "census workers" to report the correct amounts?

Remember, the "stated" purpose of the census is to determine the number of representatives (and thereby the number of electoral votes) each state has. In the above scenario, the "Left leaning" states could actually have a higher % of their populations reported than the "Right leaning" Result - fewer electoral votes for Red states, more for Blue ones.

Stop and think about it. Why is the government pushing this census so hard? Could it be they have figured out if they "tick off" enough on the Right, so that they won't respond to the census, they may actually be able to increase the number of representatives from "left leaning" states? I wouldn't put it past them. :eek:

If a national right leaning organization was "devious" enough and wanted this to "backfire" on the government, they would probably encourage those living in Left-leaning states to not report themselves, those living in right-leaning state to be sure to report themselves. (Isn't the government actually doing the opposite?) Just sayin'
 
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