Biden should apologize

[theBeemer]

Greg, It just gauls me when I read the bigoted garbage that appears in here sometimes. I know I should not let it bother me, ignorance is ignorance. I fear that a few weak minds might buy into it and this stuff spreads fast. Look what happened in Nazi Germany. Same type of swill. It increases in rough economic times. People are looking for a reason for the tough times. There has to be a plot, business does not cycle. I don't tell what few stories I can tell to brag or show off. I tell them to try to inject a little sanity. To show that there is more to things than meets the eye and the world is not a huge conspericy movie. The vast majority of people who served in this countries military and intell services were and are fine people. Don't destroy good names with half-truths, inuendo, lies and just plain bad analysis.
Layoutshooter

why don't you be honest? Am I your bigoted garbage? I just pointed out a fact how someone in the intelligance community would never brag about it.How do we know your not some schmuck claiming one thing and actually being another? Look at like this all this great knowledge and clearances and your driving a truck around like greg..Yea right..Let alone post it in a world wide forum..And hey buddy if you want to believe every cover up that is your choice

And Greggy man you know everything and been everywhere heck their must have been five of you..All that top government things you were cleared for and now driving a truck around.. Yea right
I had pointed my Father out because he was never a pompous windbag telling everyone how great he is..I got this clearance that clearance I know this I know that you know nothing...Kind of like everything that your not..Believe everything the government tells etc etc.Toward the end of his Air Force career he worked in the Pentagon.....So tell us all how great you are.
AS a matter of fact I can send your email to him and a few other retired vets and they can make a movie with them all bowing down to such vast great knowledge such as yourself...I mean he 76 years old and hasn't done near what you have done, or seen as many things or knows as many things.Matter of fact lving in Florida and going down to the VFW with my dad I can't recall any others..By God I bet your Rhodes Scholar ? I have seen plenty of them driving trucks around too
I am sure advisors get on internet posting boards telling the world their problems........yea right..And if you really want to know I was on the USS PUGET SOUND as a Machinst. Did my four left. Last I heard she is moth balled. Im sure you were on her cause you have been ever where and know everything.
And being on every Navy Ship and being a Rhodes Scholar and all when did you find time to go to tower 7 that had all those Enron files and the California files about the power grid black outs with a few other things??? And why did Guliiani stay out of his command bunker all day???Tower 7 Tower 7 got minimal damage you admit that then why did it fall?
In my years of welding, machining working with steel I never once saw steel that could melt with out a blast furnace..steel melts at 2500 degrees F unless they were using a very very inferior steel but would still take more the 549 degrees F..Even hot rolled from china takes 2500. Open Air Jet fuel burns at 549 degrees F . So lets just say that 549 degrees was hot enough that day to melt steel....Forget it its impossible.
So I don't know anything about the basics of steelworking and you with your vast knowledge knows it all. Cutting corners cheaper steel it still melts at 2500 period. Nobody can argure that steel melts at even anything less then say 2300 degrees f.
This small point alone should make people think about how truthful it all is..The bottom of the towers forsome strange reason their were diagonal lines straight acrosses that looked suspicially melted...meaning thermite...I mean they look like they were snapped in two They would all of them have to have the same diagonal likes with the melting sighns of thermite on them to snap just precisly enough for the buildings would implode on themselves....Not towards any others just straight down...yea right .I am sure that Cold Rolled steel just sheared off on all three towers at their perfect angles that have sighns of molton steel at all of their sheared points so every floor came down perfectly..Yea ok and that ocean front Nebraska Property I have for sale
As far as McCain/Palin their are people out there who think these two will bring Christ back when they start their wars.Yes Obongo has the same idiots with different viewpoints.
They all suck.. I wish their was a third party.Too bad the Republicans out of all those people in their party can not find anything close to Ronald Reagon. We gut stuck with this philandering buffon who votes the same as Obongo does on immigration. Face it we got one who so out of touch he doesn't know how many houses he and younger heiress wife own. His vice pick has GOD talking to her and telling her what to do..If GOD talked to any of us like that we would get locked up.
Democrats give us the new Mesiah with a new wave Martin Luther King. You don't think that was done on purpose? If he wins or loses or gets bumped off things will happen. Happen enough to get another great sham/cover up going. Mr. Proud Zionist Biden is as much of threat as the one GOD Talks too.
And being brutally Frank why didn't you answer about the USS Liberty? Your such a know it all about everything I figured you could enlighten us on it. Remember the ship I posted about before you didn't answer about...
USS Liberty Memorial Main Page is the survivors version

'The USS Liberty': America's Most Shameful Secret
was written by a Jewish man

Do you really think for a minute they (the isrealie zionist) won't try to pull this stunt again in the persian gulf when Iran gets attacked? They are counting on people like you Greg and few others to let them get away with it.
Maybe if Obongo wins , gets bumped off, the riots happen, the war with Iran happens just maybe the American Sheeple will wake up before it gets real to late.

 

[layoutshooter]

It was not bragging, just trying to establish my bonafidi. I have read many accounts of the U.S.S. Liberty, online and classified. They are close. I chose not to "fall" for every cover-up. I just know why some happen. Sometimes they are even needed. I feel, knowing what I have read and talking with some who were there, that this one was needed. I don't like them but I understand them. What I cannot stand is what I call "bad" cover-ups. Those that are not meant to protect lives, intell sorces or collection methods. Those are the type that only are used to protect polititions. Like the cover-up of the Sandy Berger mess. I now of no one in my 20 years that "accidentlly" stuffed classified documents in his or her socks or down his or her pants. I just does not happen. I feel the same about the Watergate cover-up. For me it is not partisan. I don't like racial, ethinic or religious bigotry. I have seen too much of that in my life. I have know good people who have had nasty things done to them for no more a reason than thier color or other stupid reasons. I have seen white vets, after Viet Nam refused work. Why? They were white or male and even because they were vets. One employer told me that since I had been the the Army I was un-realiable. I most likely did drugs and besides I was a baby killer. I saw Criminals, draft dogers, come back from Canada and be given preference for hiring for certain types of Ferderal Employment. Preference over vets and others who did not break laws. That was my buddy Gerald Ford's idea of healing the national wounds of that time. Everyone should be judged by what they do and say. How they perform. Criminals should ALWAYS come in last. I don't like Osama Obama, not because he is black. Not because his religion is different than mine. I don't like his ideas. I don't like Marxism. I don't like his association with violent felons. I don't give a diddily doodilly if he was "just working" with Bill Ayers. He should have quit the minute he knew he was a violent felon, a domestic terrorist. I don't like him because he defends Ayers. I don't like him because he thinks it is perfectly ok for a man who commits treason to, of all things, teach our young people. I don't like him because he does not believe in our Constitution. One example: The 14th amendment extends the protection of the Constitution to anyone either naturalise or BORN in the United States and yet he has no problem letting babies die without any attempt to save thier lives. If he is to win his very first act as President will be a lie. He will take an oath to protect and defend a document that his does not believe in. A true hipocrate. That is how I judge people, by thier actions. I don't defend McCain if he did wrong. I question the sorce of the information. I question the motivation when things magically come out just prior to elections. I don't like it when either party does it. Like when Pelosy withheld information the the paige sex scandles until just a few weeks prior to an election. It is a felony to withold information on a crime. You can say whatever you want. I don't have to agree or like it. What a shame it often, at least seems on the surface, to be based on hate. If I am worng I am sorry. Layoutshooter

 

[arkjarhead]

I knew some guys that I thought were company men and they never said anything either way. Could have been my imiganition. I know one thing. I never trusted those types.

 

[theBeemer]

Layoutshooter I am not your enemy. My posting was not all directed at you. I just sounded off at a windbag who constantly belittles me because I don't buy into all the Government BS and zionist cover ups. Such as the USS Liberty even what 40 years later it is still being covered up. (did you notice the snow job someone gave us to that?) Id like to know why. Id like to see the public aware of how our (Friends ?) can fire on our ship and mistaken it for a Egyptian cattle ship Let alone not tell the differance between the Stars and Stripes and the Egyptian flag..I don't want some windbag trying to say its top secret for a reason the reason is quite obvious.
I am tired of my friends haveing to die for all these wars that the powers that be keep kissing our 51st states owners butts for. I am tired of the hate being spread by Gregs friends towards anyone who uses the Koran....just to make it seem its ok to kill those animals..
I am tired of our 51st states scams and shake downs...For instance the kosher tax. Did you know you were paying it? (Notice the couple of replys denying it or it minimal ?) Who is the enemy here? I forgot the one exposing it. The fangs of royal kosherness is in pretty much every thing we buy..Just don't buy it yea..Find comodities the vampires have not sunk their fangs in. O Yea the tax is minimal..or it helps this or helps that....Yea right....All the grants we give this bunch they should show some gratitude and do it for free..After all if wasn't for the USA their would be NO isreal. Trying to pull it off as minimal? 200 million consumers? Where is all that money going? On top of the grants we give.. By the way why does bleach need to be certified kosher?. I never got an answer on that scam from any of these great thinkers here. Its millions if not billions every day every week every year..Look in you cupboards and all things with the kosher tax pasted on it..Then let anyone try to tell you it minimal....Where is all that money going????????
Hey I got crippled in the Navy. I am in pain every day..Their attitude is/was it was before you enlisted...4 years before. I try to get disability yea right.Some was their fault others like arthrytis is not..Bulging dics are ...All three of them. I see people of all ages and races who have contributed nothing get ssi and healthcare...And Obongo and Mc Cainstein have both voted equally in giving illegals benifits,,,let alone ssi benifits.
I too have seen white men, white vets ,myself included get passed over for all for all kinds of dirtbags white dirtbags too..And the Government gives special tax breaks for companies to hire every low life it can.
I am quite fed up with it too. In Obongos defence it has been going on since he was in High School..While on Public service career senator (McCain and bunch) has let it go on and on. I am 46 and I remember Carter starting it all..The repulicans could of repealed it did they??? Nope not at all went along and made it worse.
As my posting earlier stated they all suck..The only true difference I see between McCainstein and Obongo is skin pigment and age.They pretty much have voted the same on every thing but the Iraq war. If McCain dies its scary having that nut case that GOD opens the heavens too as President..What will GOD tell her to do then Nuke China? Nuke Russia? According to her in my other posting GOD tells her everything. Let alone parading/pimping her 17 year old daughter out to the world to be perceived as a tramp that sleeps around. Will that kid ever have that stigma dropped? I look at Biden and my God he brags how he such a commited zionist it scares me too..
I get tired of abortion being a form of birth control.. I never could figure it when it is supposedly a womans choice,why should the man have to pay child support? Why can't the man keep it and the woman pays child support?... Never could figure out the why some these Christains base their whole vote on weather or not a canidate is pro life when they themselves use birth control. I know one prevents it the other takes it..But it also states it takes GOD to make to baby. To many things I have seen to not believe their is a supreme being behind it all.
Eather way they are both guilty for playing God and sin is sin.
All the cover ups they all do discust me...from the 1830s on up.Espicially the ones from the 60s on up........
Is my anti Mongol/Khazar retoric based out of hate again no. I know some of them that are just as discusted with the zionist vampires as I am . Perhaps more because they get labeled with them. They are just amazed why/how they get away with it. Ones I have talked to believe some of it has to do with people claiming to be Christains believe it says so in the bible to follow and don't question them.They are Gods chosen ya ya ya..When in truth this bunch are no more semitic then you or me...The semitics are Gods chosen even if their such a thing. <I believe on that note since the semitic jews wrote the bible the were padding it for the future...makes sence>. This converted bunch of mongol/khazars seize upon the belief they are the chosen and seize that its says in the bible..This is a group who as made the feel sorry for us scams quite profitable the last 2000 years.
I wonder why what was it six months or so before 911 (the only time in 33 years) a zionist (Larry Silverstein) and his 124 million dollar investment bought the lease from the port authority and took out a big insurance policy ..ending up with billions. I wonder why the Presidents brother who had the security contracts for the towers and all allowed the security to be down while they were updating the wiring two weeks before..Letting anyone in.
In spite of what Mr.Specialist in every thing posted I want to know why building 7 collapsed.
I want to know why Bin Laden never said he was behind it? I want to know why his whole family got flown out the same day all other flights were cancelled? I want to know how on earth the US Air Force could of possibley let over five thousand of Bin Ladens buddies escape on their planes? I want to know how those terrorist who flew those planes 7 years later are still alive and well .Notice how not even Greg could figure out the passport that wasn't destroyed two days after everything else was..Too many questions..Such as how on earth could all of those black boxes get destroyed.
It is my birth right to want answers to these question. Espicially when my tax dollar pays for it. I just wish more Americans would see through all these scams....and question them
Why did we have to bail out the airlines? It was their fault to begin with...Their bottom line cheap Airport secuirty allowed,,We had to bail them out...If trucks did this would the government bail us out.....I don't see it.. I am not your enemy your enemy is the one who closes his eyes and lets or defends this bunch and their scams

 

[theBeemer]

By the way all of the layoutshooter and others see this list here.
A small by the way sampling of every degenerate group tearing down American Christain Society you will see all of the names of the people in charge have a common ring to them...Zionist..Makes me wonder what they are up too? And they are only 3 percent of the population hmm so many in governmet so many in these listings ...I know those protocols are a fake Let me know if you need more proof


Planned Parenthood Federation of America,
President: Gloria Feldt
"At the tenth annual Power of One event, over 600 women gathered in San Francisco to celebrate their commitment to the Jewish Community Federation. They were inspired by messages from Jan Richer, Liki Abrams, and keynote speaker Gloria Feldt, President of the Planned Parenthood Federation of America, who spoke eloquently about her Jewish roots, personal challenges and the importance of activism."

National Abortion Federation,
President and CEO: Vicki Saporta
(Jewish? Saporta is a Sephardic Jewish surname)

Feminists for Free Expression,
Founder: Marcia Pally
Vice President: Marilyn Fitterman
Secretary: Jayme Waxman
"Jamye Waxman is a writer, producer, performer, sex educator and outspoken advocate for women's sexual liberation. Jamye is currently pursuing her masters in human sexuality education and teaches sexuality classes at a well-know adult toyshop in downtown Manhattan. She is the Associate Producer of the television show Naked New York and a columnist for Playgirl Magazine. She produced 'Love Bytes' with Bob Berkowitz and hosted her own show 'Aural Fixation' on WSEX Radio."
Member of Board of Directors: Abby Ehmann
"Abby describes herself as a 'Sexpert' and 'New York's preeminent female smutmeister,' began a career in the adult entertainment industry as an Associate Editor at Penthouse Forum. She has also served as Consulting Editor of Masquerade Erotic Newsletter, Girls of Outlaw Biker and Erotica Online. She has written for many sex-oriented publications from Screw and Hustler to Forum and New Rave."

National Gay and Lesbian Task Force,
Co-Chair: Loren S. Ostrow
"Loren Ostrow ... is outgoing President of the Board of Congregation Kol Ami, a predominately gay and lesbian synagogue in West Hollywood, CA, and he previously served as Co-Chair of the L.A. Gay & Lesbian Center's Board of Directors."

Queer Nation,
Co-founder: Alan Klein
"Mr. Klein's involvement in social issues and civil rights work has been extensive. He was a founding member of the AIDS activist organization ACT UP and organized several of the group's most successful demonstrations. He also co-founded QUEER NATION ... In 1997, a year television critics will remember as the "Year of the Lesbian," Mr. Klein played a pivotal role in the international media frenzy that accompanied ELLEN DEGENERES' historic announcement. As National Communications Director and chief spokesperson for the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), he orchestrated the media's Ellen coverage from day one. Mr. Klein also co-founded the successful multimedia campaign STOPDRLAURA.COM. Alan Klein most recently served as Communications Director for Rainbow25 ..."

Museum of Sex, (New York)
Executive Director and Founder: Daniel Gluck

Erotic Museum, (Los Angeles)
CEO: Boris Smorodinsky. "A desire to make a better life for his family, motivated by the discrimination he felt as a Jew in communist Russia, led Smorodinsky to immigrated to Los Angeles in 1989 ..."
Director: Marina Smorodinsky

National Partnership for Women and Families,
President: Judith Lichtman

Population Action International,
President: Amy Coen

National Coalition for Sexual Freedom,
Chairperson of the Board of Directors: Vivienne Kramer
(A Jewish "Vivienne Kramer" is noted here. The same one?)

Children's Defense Fund,
Founder and President: Marian Wright Edelman
(Married to Peter Edelman).

Women's Independent Forum,
Chairman: R. Gaull Silberman

National Center for Policy Research for Women & Families,
President: Diana Zuckerman

National Organization for Women Legal Defense and Education Fund (NOWLDEF),
Executive Vice-President, and Director of Family Initiative: Leslie J. Calman Vice-President, and Director of National Judicial Education Program: Lynn Hecht Schafran
Vice-President,and Director of Government Relations: Lisalyn Jacobs
Vice-Chairman of the Board: Stephen L. Hammerman

Equality Forum,
Executive Director: Malcolm Lazin
"Equality Forum presents the largest annual national and international gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) civil rights forum." "B.A.'s [Congregation Beth Ahavah's] own Malcolm Lazin was the featured speaker during a lively and musical service led by David Wise. Malcolm, [is] best known as the founder and executive director of Pridefest America, now Equality Forum

 

[layoutshooter]

Don't forget the ACLU. About some cover-ups. Things are a bit different than they seem sometimes. I am well aware that the U.S.S. Liberty was not only flying the Stars and Stripes but she was flying a "Battle Ensign" a much larger flag than normal. Again, I don't like cover-ups. Let us take a hypothectical situation. A man is killed by an operative of a country allied to us. The story sort of gets out. If the right story or the entire story gets out many more may die or we might lose a un-replacable intelligence sorce, that sorce is the only means of collecting information vital to our security. That loss might cause another attack like 9/11. What do you do? Cover it up? I would. Get more agents killed? Not me. Lose that valuable sorce? Can't happen. It is never as easy or tranparent as it may seem. That is why my old outfit were called "Shadow Warriors". We did not like the term "spooks", that was the term applied by bad spy triller novels. The Army Security Agency no longer exsits. I forget what year they were absored into Military Intelligence. It was a great loss to the country. As good as M.I. is the ASA was better. It was because we were a seperate command. Our orders and promotions came straight from D.O.D not the Department of the Army. We had career ASA officers and cadre. That gave the continutiy that is needed in that business. That was lost. Layoutshooter

 

[greg334]

Hey Beemer,

First off I told you what I am doing in this d*mn truck.

Second, when you try to make me out as a know it all, it makes you look rather well uninformed. Instead of disputing what I am saying, try to see where I am coming from.

Third, you don't know what feelings I have towards Muslims, but it seems that I defend them with a more realistic attitude than most, but I also don't buy into the CAIR approach to say 'he's bashing them'. TO be exact, I don't recall anything that I said to directly denigrate them but keep saying that the propaganda that you beleive in comes from the people who happen to be Mulsim for the purpose of HATE.

Fourth, I have more Muslim freinds than Jewish freinds, so I guess they hate themselves?

Fifth, 9.11 is personal issue to me. I tried to explain to you about what I saw and what I was told, no expert stuff on my part. I think you should have hauled your butt over there to see it first hand, see what carnage looked like. When you and others put this 'i know what steel does' blah blah blah, it cheapens the entire disaster. I don't think you ever been there to know where WTC7 stood or when it was made and how. By the way, I was talking about WTC7 not the towers, so...

Layout, 1977 to create INSCOM. Does the term "EMT" mean anything? I heard it before.. somewhere....

 

[theBeemer]

Don't forget the ACLU. About some cover-ups. Things are a bit different than they seem sometimes. I am well aware that the U.S.S. Liberty was not only flying the Stars and Stripes but she was flying a "Battle Ensign" a much larger flag than normal. Again, I don't like cover-ups. Let us take a hypothectical situation. A man is killed by an operative of a country allied to us. The story sort of gets out. If the right story or the entire story gets out many more may die or we might lose a un-replacable intelligence sorce, that sorce is the only means of collecting information vital to our security. That loss might cause another attack like 9/11. What do you do? Cover it up? I would. Get more agents killed? Not me. Lose that valuable sorce? Can't happen. It is never as easy or tranparent as it may seem. That is why my old outfit were called "Shadow Warriors". We did not like the term "spooks", that was the term applied by bad spy triller novels. The Army Security Agency no longer exsits. I forget what year they were absored into Military Intelligence. It was a great loss to the country. As good as M.I. is the ASA was better. It was because we were a seperate command. Our orders and promotions came straight from D.O.D not the Department of the Army. We had career ASA officers and cadre. That gave the continutiy that is needed in that business. That was lost. Layoutshooter

No doubt about the Liberty and her crew. I just wonder why it wasn't brought out in the 60s? Or 70s? If a French ship did that England it would have been everywhere....who controls the media?
I wonder why so many people just try to dismiss it..Even all the great enlightened ones at this forum do..
The real thing to think about actually scares me is they got away with it once,,,,,and with their media control and all will they try it again to draw us into a fight with Iran? Remember Iran is getting nukes like many other countries have but Iran is the only bad guy who should not have them Remember these people will not stop at anything to kill an enemy (isreal that is) and Iran does have oil plenty of it..
The USA Already surrounds Iran as it is......

 

[hdxpedx]

Biden's pick PROVES obumer CAN'T MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICE!! FAILED!! report card checked F !!!

 

[layoutshooter]

Beemer, I don't know what you don't get. There were valid reasons for some cover-ups. Some might still be needed. Not everything is a Zionist conspericy. And the attack it self was reported at the time. Just not with all the details. As years go by more and more will be declassified. Only when there is no longer a need to protect the information. As far as I know there are STILL classified documents dating back to WW2. Not everyone has a need to know everything. Most people would not understand most of it and most really don't want to know. Many could not handle it. I know my little brother could not. He once told me that his entire life was ruined by nuclear weapons. Said he is afraid to sleep at night because of them.

The only EMT I know is Emergency Medical Technition. My wife and I used to be EMT's at one time. I never heard the term in reguards to the intell business.
Layoutshooter

 

[layoutshooter]

No way!! I did everything and lived everywhere. I never saw anyone from here when I was there. Unless they were there when I was here. Hard to say. Layoutshooter