barrys 1st Military Order

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Know how ridiculous the TOE for our troops is in iraq and afganastan I have no problem believing this at all.....


DON’T SHOOT BACK AT TALIBAN TERRORISTS!!!

Obama’s First Military Order

by Paul L. Williams, Ph.D.

July 9th, 2009


Don’t shoot back!
Don’t pick the poppies!
And don’t bother the women and men in burqas!
These are the new rules of engagement for leathernecks in Afghanistan.

Sound incredible?

They’re true.

Welcome to the modern Marine Corps under Commander-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama

On July 1, the U.S. military initiated Operation Khanjar or “Strike of the Sword,” an invasion of the Helmand Province by 4,000 Marines and 650 Afghan soldiers.
“Strike of the Sword” represents the first military operation to be ordered by President Obama.

The purpose of the campaign is to flush out Taliban operatives from southern Afghanistan in order to safeguard the re-election of Afghan President Hamid Karzai on August 20.
The military initiative is being conducted by the insistence of Kharzai, who fears that a strong Taliban presence will produce unfavorable results for him on election-day.

To accomplish this objective, President Obama remains determined to deploy 68,000 additional U.S. troops to southern Afghanistan within the next six weeks.
But the Marines, thanks to Mr. Obama, are conducting this mission with their hands tied.

The first order from America’s new commander is that the Marines must not return enemy fire for fear of killing an Afghan non-combatant.

ABC Correspondent Mike Boettcher, who is embedded with Golf Company, reports that the young Marines, when ambushed by Taliban forces with automatic weapons, were ordered to shoulder their rifles. Their command, Boettcher writes, warned them that “one civilian casualty could negate the No. 1 objective of this operation – - winning the trust and respect of the farmers of the Helmand River Valley.”

How are the Marines expected to win the trust and respect of the farmers?

By not disturbing the opium poppy fields which remain in full bloom.

The Marines of Bravo’s Company 1st Platoon sleep beside groves of poppies Troops of the 2nd Platoon walk through the fields on strict orders not to swat the heavy opium bulbs. The Afghan farmers and laborers, who are engaged in scraping the resin from the bulbs, smile and wave at the passing soldiers.

The Helmand province is the world’s largest cultivator of opium poppies – the crop used to make heroin.

Afghanistan grew 93 percent of the world’s poppy crop last year, with Helmand alone responsible for more than half of the opium production in the country, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.

Heroin, as it turns out, represents the only staple of the Afghan economy. The country manufactures no domestic products for exportation and the rocky terrain yields no cash crops – - except, of course, the poppies.

The poppies fuel the great jihad against the United States and the Western world. More than 3,500 tons of raw opium is gleaned from the poppy crops every year, producing annual revenues for the Taliban and al Qaeda that range from $5 billion to $16 billion.

Destroying the fields could very well put an end to terrorist activities in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But the Obama Administration remains intent upon protecting the poppies so that the Afghan farmers and local drug lords can reap the benefits of what purports to be a bumper crop.
Many Marines in the field are scratching their heads over the situation.

Jason Striuszko a journalist embedded with the U.S. Marines in Garmser, reports that many of the leathernecks are scratching their heads at the apparent contradictions — calling in airstrikes and artillery on the elusive Taliban while assuring farmers and drug lords that they will protect the poppies.

“Of course,” Striuszko says, “those fields will be harvested and some money likely used to help fuel the Taliban, and the Marines are thinking, essentially, ‘huh?’”

“It’s kind of weird. We’re coming over here to fight the Taliban. We see this. We know it’s bad. But at the same time we know it’s the only way locals can make money,” said 1st Lt. Adam Lynch, 27, of Barnstable, Mass.

Richard Holbrooke, the Obama Administration’s top envoy in Afghanistan, says that poppy eradication – for years a cornerstone of U.S. and U.N. anti-drug efforts in the country – has only resulted in driving Afghan farmers into the hands of the Taliban.

The new approach, Holbrooke maintains, will try to wean the farmers of the lucrative cash crop by giving them help to grow other produce, like wheat, corn and pomegranates.
Fat chance.

Most of the 33,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan operate in the east, where the poppy problem is not as great. But the 2,400-strong 24th Marines, have taken the field in this southern growing region during harvest season.

An expert on Afghanistan’s drug trade, Barnett Rubin, complained that the Marines are being put in such a situation by a “one-dimensional” military policy that fails to integrate political and economic considerations into long-range planning.

“All we hear is, not enough troops, send more troops,” said Rubin, a professor at New York University. “Then you send in troops with no capacity for assistance, no capacity for development, no capacity for aid, no capacity for governance.”

Staff Sgt. Jeremy Stover, whose platoon is sleeping beside a poppy crop planted in the interior courtyard of a mud-walled compound, said the Marines’ mission is to get rid of the “bad guys,” and “the locals aren’t the bad guys.”

“Poppy fields in Afghanistan are the cornfields of Ohio,” said Stover, 28, of Marion, Ohio. “When we got here they were asking us if it’s OK to harvest poppy and we said, ‘Yeah, just don’t use an AK-47.’”

And the third order from Commander Obama, who has never spent a day in uniform (not even as a Boy Scout), is that no enlisted man must ever question or detain, let alone stop and search, any Afghani in a burqa.

Even glancing at a Muslim woman, the young Marines are told, is a grievous offense in the Islamic world.

This order has resulted in Taliban militants escaping from the clutches of the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade on July 8.

Members of the Brigade had managed to trap the Taliban fighters in a mud compound within the village of Khan Neshin, about 60 miles north of the Pakistani border.

With the help of a translator and a village elder, the Marines, under orders from their commanders, persuaded the trapped insurgents to free the women and children in their custody.
Within minutes, according Afghan Army Commander Mahaiddin Ghorr, thirty to forty figures in full burqas emerged from the mud – - some holding the hands of children – - and sauntered off into the hills.

When the Marines entered the compound an hour or so later, the place was empty.

The latest military operation has resulted in the relocation of Taliban fighters to the western and northern provinces.

This has prompted complaints from German and Italian commanders who now must deal with hundreds of enemy combatants.

The Last Crusade
 

Turtle

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The author of this piece has taken great liberty and poetic license with what Mike Boettcher and Jason Striuszko are reporting, not to mention failing to fully state what the Rules of Engagement actually are, and instead took them piecemeal out of context to make his point. Stuff like this gets put on a Blog, which is instantly copied to a plethora of other Blogs, people read it, and therefor believe it. But all you have to do is look at the actual news reports and the sources to get the actual, real, true blue, genuine story as they reported it.

It also helps to have a relative who is a commander stationed in Afghanistan who tells it like it is in his e-mails. And what he's telling isn't anywhere near what (a) often gets reported even by those embeded, because those embeded have their own agendas as well, and (b) what is to be found on almost all Blogs.
 

Turtle

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I should add that Paul Williams is someone to be listened to, but with a grain of salt. He has become obsessed to the point of fanaticism with terrorism and his "American Hiroshima" scenario where he believes that at attack on 7-10 American cities using suitcase nukes is not only possible, or probable, but imminent. He's utterly paranoid about stolen nuclear material, even published a book about (for which he is being sued for makin' stuff up) where the entire thing was based not on the facts that he had at hand, but on the facts he manufactured to support his beliefs.

"They want the most bang for the buck, and that is nuclear. Al-Qaida currently has nuclear bombs within the United States and they will use them," Williams said. "More than 40 Russian "nuclear suitcases" cannot be accounted for. Some of these weapons still remain stateside in a "sleeper" status controlled by Russian military officials who believe a war with the U.S. is still possible. Others, as many as 10, might be under al-Qaida's control. I expect such an attack would come between now and the end of 2005."


Williams points out that the borders with Mexico and Canada are still dangerously porous and not equipped to detect the smuggling of nuclear materials.
U.S. seaports are even more vulnerable, he argues.


Though New York City would seem to be the No. 1 target of another attack by al-Qaida, Williams points out other U.S. cities have been mentioned in intercepted intelligence chatter.


Among those discussed: Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia, Miami, Washington and Rappahannock County, Va.


Why a small rural county in Virginia? Williams says it houses the underground command center the White House would use in time of war.


"It was eight years between the World Trade Center attacks. Islam preaches patience. They will attack when they want," Williams concluded. "Time may not be on our side."



He keeps amending his dates to keep up with the calendar, but he's sticking with his story.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Initial results appear for now to be good....

Some 4,000 marines and 650 Afghan soldiers are sweeping into insurgent strongholds in Helmand Province. They have encountered little resistance so far, which suggests that Taliban fighters are doing what smart guerrillas always do: melting away in the face of superior enemy forces. The pattern in Afghanistan has always been that NATO forces march into villages then march out, leaving the Taliban to regain effective control.

The difference this time is that the marines don’t plan to leave. Just as in Iraq, they are planning to establish small combat outposts next to villages that will allow them to dominate the terrain they are now occupying. That will present insurgents with a difficult choice: either (a) cede the ground to the marines or (b) attack them and try to dislodge them. The likelihood is that they will soon try option B. That will mean heavy fighting and more casualties than the marines have so far suffered. (One marine was killed in the initial operation.)

But assuming that marines stick it out — and with the marines that’s a pretty safe assumption — they will inflict heavy casualties on their attackers and gradually gain control of the situation. The Taliban will have to shift their operations to other areas — and then those too will be targeted by NATO forces.

That is, in essence, the classic “spreading oil spot” strategy of counterinsurgency. It is a slow, difficult process, and we shouldn’t read too much into early reports of success. There will be much hard fighting ahead, but the likely result will be, just as in Iraq, a gradual extension of governmental control and eventually a decrease in violence. The key to success is to deploy enough forces to drive out the Taliban altogether from substantial swathes of the countryside rather than simply pushing them from one area to another. Whether there are enough troops on the ground to attain that goal remains to be seen, even with a total of 21,000 American reinforcements on the way. But the strategy is a sound one and should over time gradually improve the situation.
 

layoutshooter

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Initial results appear for now to be good....

Some 4,000 marines and 650 Afghan soldiers are sweeping into insurgent strongholds in Helmand Province. They have encountered little resistance so far, which suggests that Taliban fighters are doing what smart guerrillas always do: melting away in the face of superior enemy forces. The pattern in Afghanistan has always been that NATO forces march into villages then march out, leaving the Taliban to regain effective control.

The difference this time is that the marines don’t plan to leave. Just as in Iraq, they are planning to establish small combat outposts next to villages that will allow them to dominate the terrain they are now occupying. That will present insurgents with a difficult choice: either (a) cede the ground to the marines or (b) attack them and try to dislodge them. The likelihood is that they will soon try option B. That will mean heavy fighting and more casualties than the marines have so far suffered. (One marine was killed in the initial operation.)

But assuming that marines stick it out — and with the marines that’s a pretty safe assumption — they will inflict heavy casualties on their attackers and gradually gain control of the situation. The Taliban will have to shift their operations to other areas — and then those too will be targeted by NATO forces.

That is, in essence, the classic “spreading oil spot” strategy of counterinsurgency. It is a slow, difficult process, and we shouldn’t read too much into early reports of success. There will be much hard fighting ahead, but the likely result will be, just as in Iraq, a gradual extension of governmental control and eventually a decrease in violence. The key to success is to deploy enough forces to drive out the Taliban altogether from substantial swathes of the countryside rather than simply pushing them from one area to another. Whether there are enough troops on the ground to attain that goal remains to be seen, even with a total of 21,000 American reinforcements on the way. But the strategy is a sound one and should over time gradually improve the situation.

My son will be among them, he will be there SOON!!! What we need is not 21,000 there but 210,000. The same in Iraq and another 100,000 in Lebenon.
 

OntarioVanMan

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My son will be among them, he will be there SOON!!! What we need is not 21,000 there but 210,000. The same in Iraq and another 100,000 in Lebenon.

At last count we don't have that many..unless they use the draft....according to what some of the high ranking Generals have said...

Beside that is Israel's problem...Butcher Sharon!!
 

layoutshooter

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At last count we don't have that many..unless they use the draft....according to what some of the high ranking Generals have said...

Beside that is Israel's problem...Butcher Sharon!!

I am WELL aware that we are VERY short on troop numbers. It is NOT a good thing. Too many wooses out there today. I would go in a heart beat but they don't want or need old fogies like me!! This war will continue to spread if we keep not taking it seriously and THAT will NEVER happen with King Putz the 1st in charge.
 

OntarioVanMan

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War is over rated....war is to be human....war is for the insecure because they can not compete on a level field..so they kill and conquer by force.....it does not take a brain to kill.....
 

layoutshooter

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War is over rated....war is to be human....war is for the insecure because they can not compete on a level field..so they kill and conquer by force.....it does not take a brain to kill.....

Does it take a brain to live under a Hitler? Stalin? Making nice did NOT stop that, fighting back did. I hardly thing that I am insecure. I just know better. I bet you do to, speak to your uncles. They will set you straight.
 

Steady Eddie

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War is over rated....war is to be human....war is for the insecure because they can not compete on a level field..so they kill and conquer by force.....it does not take a brain to kill.....

Sure it does....what tells the finger to pull the trigger, or the eyes to aim??
 

chefdennis

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Turtle that comment wasn't for you...you are absolutely right, dr williams took alot of 'artistic licence" to make his point and serve his agenda...and yes the story will be repeated all voer the net and seen by millions and reposted by thousands, and his pint and agenda will be either believed or blown off..but the fact is his agenda is served and that is to discredit barry, and it works.....as his comments can not be proven totally worng, just skrewed to his point of view....some will believe it some won't none can disprove it in its entirity.....
 

mjolnir131

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War is over rated....war is to be human....war is for the insecure because they can not compete on a level field..so they kill and conquer by force.....it does not take a brain to kill.....

Sorry but this sentiment was started by the weak in an attempt to shame the strong to inaction. particularly the level playing field part not only is it poor logic but an outright falsehood that has been repeated over and over until we believe that we thought of it. The anti war movement has never wanted a level playing field. Only the truly insecure and weak fear force and are afraid to use it.and the only way to make the last line close to truthful is add the word sheep at the end,so it reads it does not take a brain to kill sheep,but it does take the very smart to sniff out scoundrels and terrorist particularly when they hide among the sheep.

War is neither good nor bad it just is.It is a force of nature and like with most forces of nature when ignored or tinkered with more people end up dead that would have if we had address the problem from the get go.

The peace movement is one of the few movements that you have to give a total fail to if there true goal is to stop human pain and suffering because there shaming others into inaction has lead to more county's under ruthless dictators and more men dead on the battlefield when it really blows up.If on the other hand the peace movements actual goal is just to hide a groups cowardices i give them a C.

The big problem we have today is the false logic that War and Peace are polar opposites.the truth is ,as Jefferson understood, the steps needed to have true liberty.
 

chefdennis

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As far as war goes, get over it...as long as man inhabits this planet or any other there will be war and to the victors goes the spoils........and yes it is all about the killing, control and power...live with it....
 

chefdennis

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just another B/S article of the same kind of lies and half truths that are NOT from the MSM journalist.....so you know is has to be B/S and not believed

An Enlisted Man's Point of View


Excerpt...

A hard-charging Ranger special operations officer, Lt. General Stanley McChrystal, was purposely named to be commander of U.S. Forces Afghanistan (USFOR). He had express orders to push forward vigorously against the Taliban. Virtually immediately after this hand-picked warrior assumed command, he received new instructions from the White House via the Pentagon to avoid civilian casualties at all costs. If a firefight appears to be expanding so as to endanger "resident non-combatants," the engagement must be broken off. Air attacks must be limited to targets of strictly confirmed hostile character, with no civilian co-mingling.

Once again, as in the Korean War and in Vietnam and Iraq, as well as other conflicts, U.S. forces have received rules of engagement aimed at securing maximum avoidance of political backlash in a war with an enemy to whom the use of the civilian population as protective cover is an accepted part of his fighting tactics.

Veterans of Afghan affairs knowledgeable of the numerous power centers of local tribal politics are near unanimous in recognizing that the Taliban will make sure there are civilian casualties whether or not the American or other ISAF units actually are responsible. The fact is that the Taliban leadership contains many ranking personalities who are quite well acquainted with the politics of the developed world -- and they know how to exploit the weaknesses. Civilian casualties are high on that list.

Full article at...

http://spectator.org/archives/2009/07/02/an-enlisted-mans-point-of-view
 
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