barrycare ruled UNCONSTITUTIONAL

chefdennis · Jan 31, 2011

The Fed Judge in FLA has ruled The Fed Gov Healthcare deal is Unconstitutional...This is the case that 26 states were apart of...so it stands at 2 say it is ok, 2 say it is uncontitutional...and we go from here...certainly an appeal is n quick order..

BREAKING: Federal judge rules Obamacare unconstitutional

By: Mark Hemingway 01/31/11 12:06 PM
BREAKING: Federal judge rules Obamacare unconstitutional | Mark Hemingway | Beltway Confidential | San Francisco Examiner

The full text of the decision from Federal Judge Roger Vinson is not available yet, but according to reporters who've seen the decision, he's ruled the entire Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act unconstitutional. The ruling favors of the 26 state attorney generals challenging the law. The judge ruled the individual mandate that requires all Americans to purchase health insurance invalid and, according to the decision, "because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void."
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layoutshooter · Jan 31, 2011

Interesting ruling. This is headed for the High Court. Any bets on the split?

greg334 · Jan 31, 2011

Well I am wondering if we are going to see the normal split or if they even hear the case because of the Roberts vs. Obama issue?

I think if they refuse to hear the case, it will be a show of power that is needed and puts the administration on notice like the FDR administration had to deal with back in 36. This will also force a lot of other open doors by people/states on other Obama issues and may lead to rejection of his administration.

layoutshooter · Jan 31, 2011

greg334 said:
Well I am wondering if we are going to see the normal split or if they even hear the case because of the Roberts vs. Obama issue?

I think if they refuse to hear the case, it will be a show of power that is needed and puts the administration on notice like the FDR administration had to deal with back in 36. This will also force a lot of other open doors by people/states on other Obama issues and may lead to rejection of his administration.

Many things could happen. What I expect is that they will hear it. For no other reason than they love the spotlight. I think that Obama care will be overturned along the lines of the normal split we always see.

greg334 · Jan 31, 2011

Who loves the spot light?

Roberts?

I think it is just the opposite, they don't make a big deal about being media stars and I only heard him speak once.

It's his court, he and the others on the court may decide not to allow it on the docket ... and that's all she wrote!

layoutshooter · Jan 31, 2011

greg334 said:
Who loves the spot light?

Roberts?

I think it is just the opposite, they don't make a big deal about being media stars and I only heard him speak once.

It's his court, he and the others on the court may decide not to allow it on the docket ... and that's all she wrote!

You think that will happen? Right now I think it is 2-2 on rulings on this bull, er, bill. I still think that they would love to have their names on the ruling.

skyraider · Feb 1, 2011

well this will give us something to talk about till we are blue in the face,,that small Asian war I participated in got me va medical which is pretty good, so far.

layoutshooter · Feb 1, 2011

skyraider said:
well this will give us something to talk about till we are blue in the face,,that small Asian war I participated in got me va medical which is pretty good, so far.

The VA is not all that bad. It's drug selection is limited, much of the equipment at the Ann Arbor VA is old, it works though. There can be long waits to get appointments but once there it tends to go fairly smooth. A large number of drugs are cheaper at Wally World than the VA co-pay if you have one. ($27 for 90 days at the VA vs. $10 for 90 days at Wally World). Do not forget that under Obama Care Vets will have to INCOME TAX on replacement arms, legs, hearing aids etc. Not sure about eye glasses.

greg334 · Feb 2, 2011

First, the VA has a long way to go. It is doing ok within the limits of what they have but when things get rolling with Obama care, you may see some things cut.

Second the VA is a typical government agency, I seen some things I didn't like on my last tour there.

Third, the insurance pays the tax on medical devices, not the patient. It is a tax on the device to pay for Obama care's slush fund.

layoutshooter · Feb 2, 2011

greg334 said:
First, the VA has a long way to go. It is doing ok within the limits of what they have but when things get rolling with Obama care, you may see some things cut.

Second the VA is a typical government agency, I seen some things I didn't like on my last tour there.

Third, the insurance pays the tax on medical devices, not the patient. It is a tax on the device to pay for Obama care's slush fund.

Vet's get their's through the VA, no insurance involved. The VA is working under the impression that the Vet's are going to have to cover the tax. They are "loading up" the Vet's with as many "spares" as they can in case that is how it ends up coming down. No one seems to be very sure on this yet. All the guys I know have been told they will have to pay. I am waiting to hear from the VA on my hearing aids, when they are replaced next time.

greg334 · Feb 2, 2011

The VA system is the insurance system, the cost of these items are determined by the administration through the same system that insurance companies us and the taxes owed can be fixed by the congress to be zero.

This is part of the problem with the bureaucracy that is running the VA.

It was mentioned today that the VA system should be privatized to overhaul it, which I think is a great idea because it would eliminate a lot of the waste and become more responsive to the vets who get it. It can and should be rolled into the Medicare system that should also be privatized, with special emphasis on combat vet services. There isn't much difference between the two programs when administering medical benefits, maintain the hospital system under a private management group and the quality of care will go up.

layoutshooter · Feb 2, 2011

No, the VA should not be rolled into medicare. Medicare should be dismantled. The VA could be privatized, that might work. ALL vets who were promised care should get what they were promised, not only combat injured vets. Many vets, such as myself, have work related injuries (hearing loss in my case) do to our MOS. Many have physical damage due to Army medical malpractice and/or "medical experiments". Most of that is "overlooked" by the government.

greg334 · Feb 2, 2011

Well I understand that but see the problem seems to be that if I'm to live under a system of government controlled health care, then it should be the same for all regardless what promises are made.

There is no reason why the VA exists as it does today, the care can be better and the system more cost effective, and rolling into Medicare would save millions. Outside of that, if Medicare is a real issue and should be gone, then privatize the VA into an insurance with emphasis on combat vets (that means mental health programs and other needed things that are unique to that group) while not restricting other services to everyone else. Keep the hospitals open for those specialized problems while allowing other places to be closed.

I would prefer one system for all, not three different ones and I would prefer to end Medicare for those who can afford being insured on their own, which is a lot of retirees.