barry and turbo timmy say...

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Raise Taxes on SMALL BUSINESSES...yeap, can't cut the size of the government and their spending...but they can steal more from business....and some ask why businesses aren't hiring or spending money....:rolleyes:

There are people here on this board (and id bet more then most think) that this will affect....:rolleyes:

Geithner: Taxes on ‘Small Business’ Must Rise So Government Doesn’t ‘Shrink’

Thursday, June 23, 2011
By Terence P. Jeffrey
Geithner: Taxes on

(CNSNews.com) - Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner told the House Small Business Committee on Wednesday that the Obama administration believes taxes on small business must increase so the administration does not have to “shrink the overall size of government programs.”
The administration’s plan to raise the tax rate on small businesses is part of its plan to raise taxes on all Americans who make more than $250,000 per year—including businesses that file taxes the same way individuals and families do.

Geithner’s explanation of the administration's small-business tax plan came in an exchange with first-term Rep. Renee Ellmers (R.-N.C.). Ellmers, a nurse, decided to run for the U.S. House of Representatives in 2010 after she became active in the grass-roots opposition to President Barack Obama’s proposed health-care reform plan in 2009.

“Overwhelmingly, the businesses back home and across the country continue to tell us that regulation, lack of access to capital, taxation, fear of taxation, and just the overwhelming uncertainties that our businesses face is keeping them from hiring,” Ellmers told Geithner. “They just simply cannot.”

She then challenged Geithner on the administration’s tax plan.

“Looking into the future, you are supporting the idea of taxation, increasing taxes on those who make $250,000 or more. Those are our business owners,” said Ellmers.

Geithner initially responded by saying that the administration’s planned tax increase would hit “three percent of your small businesses.”

Ellmers then said: “Sixty-four percent of jobs that are created in this country are for small business.”

Geithner conceded the point, but then suggested the administration’s planned tax increase on small businesses would be “good for growth.”

“No, that's right. I agree with that,” said Geithner. “But just to put it in perspective, it's important to recognize why are we doing this. You know, our deficits are 10 percent of GDP, higher than they've been since any time in the postwar period really. We have a big hole to dig out of, and we have to figure out how to do that in a way that's balanced, good for growth, fair to people as a whole.”

Geithner, continuing, argued that if the administration did not extract a trillion dollars in new revenue from its plan to increase taxes on people earning more than $250,000, including small businesses, the government would in effect “finance” what he called a “tax benefit” for those peopl.

“We're not doing it because we want to do it, we're doing it because if we don't do it, then, again, I have to go out and borrow a trillion dollars over the next 10 years to finance those tax benefits for the top 2 percent, and I don't think I can justify doing that,” said Geithner.

Not only that, he argued, but cutting spending by as much as the “modest change in revenue” (i.e. $1 trillion) the administration expects from raising taxes on small business would likely have more of a “negative economic impact” than the tax increases themselves would.

“And if we were to cut spending by that magnitude to do it, you'd be putting a huge additional burden on the economy, probably greater negative economic impact than that modest change in revenue,” said Geithner.

When Ellmers finally told Geithner that “the point is we need jobs,” he responded that the administration felt it had “no alternative” but to raise taxes on small businesses because otherwise “you have to shrink the overall size of government programs”—including federal education spending.

“We're not doing it because we want to do it, we're doing it because we see no alternative to a balanced approach to reduce our fiscal deficits,” said Geithner.

“If you don't touch revenues and you leave in place the tax cuts for the top 2 percent that were put in place by President Bush, if you leave those in place and you're trying to bring our deficits down over time, then you have to do exceptionally deep cuts in benefits for middle-class Americans and you have to shrink the overall size of government programs, things like education, to levels that we could not accept as a country,” said Geithner.

“So to do a balanced approach to reduce our deficits you have to make modest changes in revenues,” he said. “There's no realistic opportunity to do alternatives to doing that.”

According to historical budget tables published by the White House Office of Management and Budget, federal spending has climbed from $2.89 trillion in 2008—the year President Obama was elected—to $3.82 trillion this year, an increase of approximately $930 billion.

Meanwhile, according to the National Center for Educational Statistics, although federal education spending in inflation-adjusted dollars has jumped from $71.64 billion in 1995—when Bill Clinton was president--to $163.07 billion in 2009—when Barack Obama was president—federal spending still accounted for only 8.2 percent of spending for public primary and secondary education in America in the 2007-2008 school year. Historically and presently in the United States, local and state governments have funded the cost of public education.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
otherwise “you have to shrink the overall size of government programs”—including federal education spending.
OK, let's do that! duh!
 

tbubster

Seasoned Expediter
I love how the white house and the left screams and cry how the right only care about the rich.they love calling them the bush tax cuts for the rich.they leave out the cuts for everybody else in the country also.now they are telling us they have to go after the small business.its a must they say or we have to make goverment smaller.I really dont think of people who make 250,000 to 1,000,000 a year as rich.
here is the yea vote record for extending the "bush tax cuts" in the senate democrats 44 republicans 37.in the house democrats 139 republicans 138. when this vote was taken the democrats still had controll of congress.just like the health care vote the democrats had the votes to do what they wanted.and they did just that they extended the tax cuts.all the time they had their sheep beliving it was those evil republicans.
it does not matter what the people want. this white house is gonna do what ever they want no matter the cost to "the people as a whole" as geithner called it.Funny how they guy screaming the loudest about we have to raise taxes and make the rich pay more only paid his taxes after he got caught and called out for not paying his taxes. you really do gotta love the left.
for any who might wanna know where i got my numbers they are from the congress vote records.
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
i think all working people should not receive pay of any kind . let the companies and the government keep it all . oh wait working people need to feel like they are getting paid . just we will get it all back from them by taxing them for every thing . hey Joe did you find out a way we can tax them for breathing yet . what about a bathroom tax because all working people go to the bathroom . working people can live in card board boxes with 5 other families .just think we can have all the nice places to ourselfs then . and working people can walk to work . while we drive to work if we are not on vacation which the working people wont be able to do . working people dont need to have anything nice . just as long as we can .

working people are too stupid to see what we are doing to them .if we do it a little bit at a time and we lie to them .

**** but that will never happen in our life time so we don't care . our children will have to worry about it .

just as long as we have BIG companies is all that matters
 

hdxpedx

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
Housing has collapsed, economy has collapsed, energy has collapsed, now the backbone of the USA small business employers, what’s next for soro’s? Ahh no voting allowed..
 
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