Auditor:Billions wasted in Iraq

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
>Only one thing wrong with your colorful description of the
>leaders of the Democratic party:An ever decreasing number of
>Americans agree with you.However,you will have no problem
>finding a majority of Americans who feel your description of
>kooks best describes the Republicans for a number of
>reasons.Some of the reasons are below.Lets see,where are
>some of the Republican leaders and past leaders today?
>1.In jail
>2.Going to jail
>3.Were voted out of office(Rick Santorum and his blubbering
>fat children,great stuff)!!
>4.Are being tried in Federal court for lieing to a Grand
>Jury.
>5.Scampering to stay out of the Libby trial
>6.Have jumped ship,and now agree with Democrats
>7.Are trying to defend their spending on projects in Alsaka
>like the bridge to no where.
>Well,the list go's on,but who has time.You and your friends
>represent a minority of Americans who are spitting mad and
>will insist that it's all somebody else's fault.
>Good luck.


Some good points here, but let's go over these one by one:

1. In jail; please - do we have to once again go over the list of Democrats associated with the Clintons that have been or still are in the calaboose?

2. Going to jail; who would that be? Will they share a cell with William Jefferson (D - LA)? But Sandy Berger cut a deal after being convicted of destroying federal property from the archives, so he won't be part of the pickup games on the exercise lot.

3. True, but why ridicule his kids? We didn't make fun of Chelsea Clinton for being the ugliest first daughter since Amy Carter.

4. Do you really want to open this can of worms? Remember Slick Willie - he was CONVICTED of lying to a grand jury. The jury's still out on Libby.

5. How much Democrat scampering was going on to stay out of the Berger trial, not to mention all the others during the Clinton dynasty.

6. I'm not aware of any Republicans that have changed their party affiliation lately.

7. I'll give you that one - neither Bush nor any other politician has seen a spending bill lately they didn't like.

Political ethics is the biggest oxymoron in the history of the English language, and given the recent history with the Clintons the GOP certainly doesn't have a monopoly on legal problems. However, the main problem with the GOP is that they have this stupid rule that anyone indicted (not convicted) of so much as jaywalking has to resign from their committee chairmanships. The Democrats don't have this rule; so while Tom Delay gets taken out by a corrupt sleazy Democrat county prosecuter who has yet to prove a single accusation, Wm. Jefferson is caught with $90K cold cash in his freezer and is given a choice position on the foreign relations committee. And don't forget congressman Alcee Hastings (D-FL), the only federal judge to be impeached and removed from office since the civil war was being seriously considered for chairmanship of the judiciary committee by Frau Pelosi until public outrage caught up with her. Bottom line is, both parties have always had their legal problems. However, the Clinton years are not that far in the distant past and here we have the other one running for president. Maybe it would be a good idea to run a tally of their current or former associates that are either mysteriously dead or have done time behind bars before Slick Hillie gets too far along.
 

tallcal101

Veteran Expediter
It's clear the idea that W has been the do nothing President of all times is just simply not true.He has so excitd the anti Clinton feelings among the right that no manner of name calling and bashing can be enough.That dirty,womanizing rapist good for nothing yack yack yack is the whole reason blaw blaw blaw.
He paid his price,made his apology and is retired.He left office with 70% approval rating.Has W ever seen 70% this term?Maybe 30%.
I think you once again sell the American people short on their perception and intellegence.I guess we just don't get it,it's not W's fault that he surrounded himself with idiots and crooks,it's really Clintons fault.ENOUGH ALREADY I KNOW YOU HATE THE CLINTONS.BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CURRENT SITUATION.THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO GET IT AND CHANGED THE MAKE UP OF THE CONGRESS TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS.LIVE WITH IT OR CHANGE IT.
 

greg334

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Tallcal,

You are so defensive and funny.

First I don’t remember Clinton ever apologizing, correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t that a sticking point with the republicans and their need to seek a punishment to a serious crime?

The other thing that seems to be really funny is that as many think (democrat talking point number 14323) for some reason that Bush has been a cause of so much hatred and negative rhetoric towards Clinton, I think that the opposite is true. I mean that listen to your comrades and what they say about Bush and compare that to what has been said about Clinton, big difference. I also think that both Bushs’ have reached out to Clinton and they have pretty much seem to be a family more that bill and hillary have ever been.

Well the American people seem not to really care about politics as a large majority of them don’t really care about Iraq as the left wants everyone to believe. They have become tired of the negative politics of the campaigns and turned off with the hate speech of both sides. What people care about it money, stability and safety – something that seems to be missing from most of the candidates, like Hillary and Obama. You can say what you want but the tax cut we received helped out and there is no reason why we should not see another reduction in taxes. The failings of Bush has not been Iraq, by the way, it has been the invasion of the US. He has not done his job and to have the dems present the senate version of immigration reform insults every legal immigrant and every citizen.

So the congress was changed not because of the left’s ability to change things for the better but simply because the republicans forgot the basic principles that got them into power in the first place. Since the change, we see people like Murtha and Jefferson becoming people of importance and their image has tarnish the dems even more than the loose cannons of the Sheehan crowd – a traitor and a crook, oh boy how much better can you get there?

But as I have said before, the dems have people who can make a difference but they are ignored. Instead the true leadership of the democrat party is the ones like soros who think that their way should be the only way, pick and choose who will run, not the party’s rank and file. I guess it is sad when you think about it, here is the party built on fighting for the people and being patriotic, run by a bunch of nuts who side with Chavez, Castro, bin laden, the terrorist and Ahmadinejad and want to oppress us just like Stalin. When will the dems realize the danger we are in?

Oh speaking of Obama, did you know that he has traveled a lot on our dime? Every trip he has made has been paid for by tax payers which bring up the question why did we have to pay for his trip to Africa to see his relatives? Shouldn’t he be paying for his trips that are made campaigning?
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Bush is blamed for a lot of things, but stirring up anti-Clinton emotions is not among them. He actually has gone too far out of his way to accomodate this former president - more so than he actually deserves, especially considering his continual anti-American vituperation on foreign soil.
The anti-Clinton feelings are being stirred up by Senator Clinton herself and the fact she is running for president. The facts stated about them are not bashing or personal attacks, except in the eyes of her Democrat supporters. It should come as no surprise to anyone that all the Clinton's nefarious activities should come back to the limelight and will continue to be re-examined as the seemingly never-ending presidential campaign progresses. The public will justifiably ask themselves repeatedly "Do we really want to suffer through this sleazy act again?" I think not - especially when there are also serious international problems with terrorism, nuclear threats, etc. that can't be ignored or swept under the rug as they were in the '90s. I predict that when the final primary votes are tallied, the Democrats will nominate someone other than Mrs. Bill Clinton for president.
 

tallcal101

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As I have stated a number of times before,I'm not all that concerned about who the Democrats run,as it is literaly impossible for any front runner to be worse then W.He did not do the job he was elected to do with regards to 911,he did just the opposite.He started out chasing the bad guys,blinked,and went to Iraq.It has been all down hill from there.How can you even speak of his doing his job?He has brought shame and ridicule to America from all points east and west,north and south.Maybe in your vision of America he has done his job,but again,you are in with the 29% that think something is better then nothing.
The rest of us have our heads on straight and see through the lies and distortions.Damage has been done to our great nation by a vidictive, small minded individual who left the big decisions to freinds of his Father.They blew it.
Our counrty will survive,just as we survived Nixon,Raygun(the worst of the liers"I don't remember")But I hope the right will take a deep breath and start looking forward instead of continuing this charade of charector assasination of any and all politicians that do not meet the lock step march of the 29%.THE NEW MINORITY!!
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Stating facts is hate speech? The things said about the Clintons are facts. Several women were raped. Many people were swindled in land deals. Vince Foster and Ron Brown were murdered along with others. That isn't Clinton bashing, it's just reminding what fine outstanding examples they were. I'm not all happy with Bush. There are things I completely dislike, especially ignoring the criminal aliens invading our nation. He is still the lesser of the two evils presented to us. Next election I'll again vote for the lesser of two evils as I'm sure neither side will present a candidate who can be voted for. It will just be a question of which one most needs voted against.

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tallcal101

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Am I missing something here?Fact of rape by Clinton would require a police report,an arrest,a trial and a convition.The presumption of innocence has not yet been taken off the books as far as I know.
So I have to presume you are talking about another guy named Clinton,as the wiessel prosecuter who chased the Clintons for 8 years at the cost hundred of millions of dollars came away with a stain on a dress.That is a fact,AND THE ONLY FACT!And he still left office with a strong 70% approval by all the citizens.Tells you how much most Americans cared about the stain on the dress.
Hey D Unit,you and Ark should be co spokemen for your side,your really starting to amuse me.Take a shot here,dodge over there,take another shot there,Tall Cal,you cut and paster you!!You da man D,I love it dude.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
One accusation he's innocent unless proven guilty. Two accusations and he's innocent with a little lingering doubt. What was it, eight or nine accusations? With how many mysteriously dying before charges and a trial could go forward? Once you can't count them all on one hand any reasonable doubt is gone, at least to anyone reasonable. Clinton is one of many who haven't been convicted but are still as guilty as sin.

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Pilgrim

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Some random thoughts about Bill Clinton:

Hundreds if not thousands of people must all be lying about his character - only Bill and Hilary are telling the truth.

To have been so popular, he never got more than 49% of the vote in either of his presidential elections. If it wasn't for Ross Perot he never would have been president, having received only 43% of the popular vote in his first race against Bush 41.

Craig Livingstone was caught with 99 FBI files in his possesion illegally in the White House and nothing happened - it was just an "oversight". I believe it was Charles Colson that was sent to prison for approx. three years for having one file.

Does anyone think North Korea would be a nuclear threat right now if it weren't Clinton and Jimmy Carter's "negotiations" that gave them the technology?

Would China be able to shoot down satellites if the Clinton administration hadn't brokered the deal to them for Loral to sell them the technology that advanced their systems twenty years ahead of schedule? Does anybody remember how much the Chinese consequently contributed to their campaign funds through Johnny Chung et al?

For someone who never abused women, Clinton has more credible accusers than anyone in history. Granted, he was never found guilty but he sure settled the civil action in a hurry with Paula Jones and heaven knows how many others we don't know about. He's the only president to have had a special assistant for "Bimbo Eruptions".

O.J. Simpson wasn't found guilty either - how many believe he's innocent?
 

greg334

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Just want to point out something here, Clinton did indeed leave with a high approval rating accroding a poll taken just before he left but when you look at the poll used for this rating, you find that the number used was less than 800 people who were over 18 and included non-voters. Last time I checked we have how many people in the US (not counting invaders)? a few million people and less than 800 does not reflect the proper cross section of the US and feelings of the american people on Clinton.
 

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Good point - and to follow that train of logic, if the Clinton presidency was so popular why didn't his stooge AlGore get elected in a landslide of 70% proportions? The American people had the perfect chance to make a seamless continuation of their past eight years but chose otherwise. Gore lost in spite of receiving the most favorably biased campaign coverage in the history of journalism.
 

greg334

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OH but the election was stolen from ALGORE.

Truly this was a real conspiracy, a conspiracy between the Bush family and ta da…..

Bill Clinton

Yes tallcal, Bill Clinton!

Billy did not support ALGORE at all, even though ALGORE got the best press coverage in the world history (even beating out Nero's press coverage during the burning of Rome) - so it is obvious that Bill didn't want ALGORE elected at all.

His reasons seem to be valid, if ALGORE got elected; it would not allow Hillary to run in 2006 or 2008 or even in 2012 because the people would be so fed up with the ALGORE Democrat presidential administration that any republican would win just by showing up to register his/her name, even Strom Thurmond could win after an ALGORE administration.

As much as I can beat up on Bill, he ain’t no fool.

ALGORE - "umm... tree, come here and let me hug you"
 

tallcal101

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Sounds more like Chinese justice then the good old red white and blue.Like I said,the man stirs it up among 29% of our population.Not the majority,thank God.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Here's the problem. Pollsters get the result they want because they make the poll to force the result. Bush has an 80% approval rating. I know this because I've just surveyed 5 people and got 4 positive responses for Bush. That's certainly as valid as the 70% figure for Clinton with only a few hundred queries, many of whom should never have been queried. In a truly neutral survey administered fairly and without bias you'd have seen a Clinton approval rating in the 50% range as that's the most votes he ever got and the limit on his true popularity on his best day. If more of them either had a clue or had any morals it would be lower than that.

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Bob and Hooligan

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Tallcall,

Keep up the good work. It is good to see someone on this forum who doesn't have to resort to calling everyone on the other side a commie or pinko. That may have worked for McCarthy, but it doesn't work now guys.

Road Hooligan
 

tallcal101

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Thanks Road.I've been called quite a few things,but it's my choice to be on this forum.Although I may be in a very small minority here,I respect the individuals and their passion for thier opinions.It happens to be a very well informed group,and I find the sparring stimulating and productive.I would like to attend the Expediter show this year,but have mixed feelings about the welcome wagon being extended to this Californian.
 

greg334

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Tallcal,
I Think you should come on over to the east side and meet some of us. If you do decide to go, I will try to get there this year to buy you a cup of coffee and I will even make sure it is earth freindly.
 
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