Atlas is shrugging, something leftists think never happens

AMonger

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Jerry Della Femina, the “Mad Men” Ad Man, Has Shrugged




Jerry Della Femina, the legendary advertizing visionary, restaurant owner, and alleged inspiration for the popular AMC television show, Mad Men, has shrugged. As he wrote recently in The Independent (East Hampton), in 2008 he “decided that this country was falling in love with an attractive, great-speechmaking hustler/socialist”, and due to the country’s further lurch towards statism, Della Femina has decided to drop out on the way to selling “my houses, my advertizing business, my newspaper and my restaurant.”
Ayn Rand purists will say Della Femina hasn’t exactly shrugged in the Atlas Shrugged sense given his plans to sell his holdings. In Rand’s essential novel, the heroic individuals of commerce simply disappeared, leaving their assets to worthless looters lacking business skills. But that’s nitpicking, and only in fiction would the productive give up all that’s rightfully theirs.
Della Femina has by any rational measure shrugged, and his decision to do so tells us what happens when society’s achievers are fleeced so that the activities of the failed and indolent can be subsidized. Some, as Della Femina plans to do, depart, and we’re all worse off as a result.
Though Della Femina has not said he’s leaving the U.S. altogether, it’s as though he is. This is one of the problems with excessive taxation on the successful.
Whereas light taxation ensures that the greatest number of achievers will participate in the marketplace with the greatest frequency, high levels of taxation mean that some, on the margin, disappear. Individuals with substantial wealth like Della Femina can continue to live in luxury, and they can do so without taking part in the economic activity that moves society forward.
So with Della Femina checking out due to an overbearing, greedy government, those who might want to work for a proven winner will no longer have that opportunity. For those eager to transact with a proven restaurant operator, that option is now closed. And for the companies interested in accessing Della Femina’s Midas touch when it comes to branding the products of others, he’s moving on.
In short, taxes on the rich as my Forbes colleague Charles Kadlec likes to point out, are nothing more than tariffs placed on the rest of us that make it more difficult to have dealings with outsized successes like Della Femina. Della Femina’s departure is all of our loss.
As Della Femina put it, “I’m just not ready to have my wealth redistributed. I’m not ready to pay more tax money than the next guy because I provide jobs and because I work a 60-hour week and I earn more than $250,000 a year.” Traditional commentators would say that Della Femina is greedy, but what is greedy about providing for one’s own needs? Isn’t true greed producing nothing under the expectation that the productive will give us the fruits of their labor so that we don’t have to work hard ourselves? Is it not both criminal and greedy to use the force of government to spend the hard-earned money of others?
Lest we forget, no one was forced at gunpoint into Della Femina’s eponymous restaurant, and similarly it wasn’t coercion that led Isuzu, Pan Am and Beck’s Beer into his advertizing agencies. Instead, Della Femina worked extraordinarily hard, gave individuals and businesses what they wanted, and for doing so, he grew rich.
Della Femina’s reward? A president who says the rich are merely fortunate, and that they should hand over even more of their money so that the “compassionate” in Washington who’ve mostly never met a payroll, never built a business and never had their productivity measured by the marketplace can hand over their earnings to others. Some would call this theft, and that’s probably not a harsh enough description.
Of course Della Femina’s unfortunate story doesn’t end there. A man of means, he no longer trusts the direction of the United States, nor the dollar that we use to exchange our production. Of the belief that we’re headed for further difficulties, Della Femina is “going into gold and silver.”
To put it simply, we’re not just losing Della Femina’s brilliant work effort. Long on capital, he’s shrugging as an investor too.
With President Obama eager to tax the productive activity of the effective, and with his Treasury aggressively seeking (and succeeding) to devalue the dollar, Della Femina is removing his growth capital from the marketplace and investing it in two sinks of wealth with very limited economic purpose that are most useful as a hedge against the monetary mismanagement of government. Not only are we losing his skills, we’re losing the companies and jobs that in saner times his wealth would help produce.
Class warriors such as President Obama embrace the classic fallacy of loving jobs while hating job creators, and in fostering an environment that penalizes the productive and the investment capital that funds their activities, Obama is unwittingly directing his cruel egalitarianism at those who aren’t as skillful, and who don’t work as hard as Della Femina. Lest we forget, in growing rich Della Femina created a lot of jobs for those lacking his skills, courage and drive, and his investments doubtless created more.
But thanks to a tax, spend and devalue government, grand business successes like Jerry Della Femina are moving on. Copycats are sure to follow, and this bears remembering the next time we lament a lack of well-paid jobs. The penalties laid down on the creators of such things were too much, and they departed, or more appropriately, shrugged.
 

chefdennis

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As Della Femina put it, “I’m just not ready to have my wealth redistributed. I’m not ready to pay more tax money than the next guy because I provide jobs and because I work a 60-hour week and I earn more than $250,000 a year.” Traditional commentators would say that Della Femina is greedy, but what is greedy about providing for one’s own needs? Isn’t true greed producing nothing under the expectation that the productive will give us the fruits of their labor so that we don’t have to work hard ourselves? Is it not both criminal and greedy to use the force of government to spend the hard-earned money of others?

Lest we forget, no one was forced at gunpoint into Della Femina’s eponymous restaurant, and similarly it wasn’t coercion that led Isuzu, Pan Am and Beck’s Beer into his advertizing agencies. Instead, Della Femina worked extraordinarily hard, gave individuals and businesses what they wanted, and for doing so, he grew rich.

Della Femina’s reward? A president who says the rich are merely fortunate, and that they should hand over even more of their money so that the “compassionate” in Washington who’ve mostly never met a payroll, never built a business and never had their productivity measured by the marketplace can hand over their earnings to others. Some would call this theft, and that’s probably not a harsh enough description.

Of course Della Femina’s unfortunate story doesn’t end there. A man of means, he no longer trusts the direction of the United States, nor the dollar that we use to exchange our production. Of the belief that we’re headed for further difficulties, Della Femina is “going into gold and silver.”

To put it simply, we’re not just losing Della Femina’s brilliant work effort. Long on capital, he’s shrugging as an investor too.
With President Obama eager to tax the productive activity of the effective, and with his Treasury aggressively seeking (and succeeding) to devalue the dollar, Della Femina is removing his growth capital from the marketplace and investing it in two sinks of wealth with very limited economic purpose that are most useful as a hedge against the monetary mismanagement of government. Not only are we losing his skills, we’re losing the companies and jobs that in saner times his wealth would help produce.

I love it!! Yeap chances are good that even here on EO we will hear how greedy he is...then we might hear how stupid he is for his investment n Gold and Silver...oh well, I think as successful as he has been, he pretty much understands what best for hmself..... yes HIMSELF....
 

witness23

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then we might hear how stupid he is for his investment n Gold and Silver...

I don't think anyone in here has said investing in gold is "stupid". Are there stupid ways to invest in gold? Absolutely, one such example is investing in antique gold coins, which your hero, Glenn Beck suggest you do, you know, because the Government can't confiscate it :rolleyes:

There are many, many articles out there about this very subject. From ConsumerReports.org.

Link: Behind the hype: Goldline gold investment

But its prices for collectible coins are inflated. For instance, a four-piece Proof Gold Eagle coin set was selling for $5,924.63 on Goldline's website in May. The American Precious Metals Exchange offered the set at $3,295. A Goldline adviser recommended buying collectible coins because they're safe from confiscation. He also said you could sell them anonymously—you wouldn't have to report Social Security numbers to the government, as is done when buying most bullion.
 

chefdennis

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LOL, kinds defensive or maybe "reactionary" there aren't you!?! You and your Glen Beck rants never even came to mind...its others that make their opinio that when the SHTF, gold will be worthless....
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
I invest in lead. All different shapes. Some steel too. Again, in several different shapes. All FAR more useful than gold. All assist either in the defense of my family or food production.
 

greg334

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Well Dennis, it will close to worthless when the the sh*t hits the fan because of several reasons;

Gold is traded in Dollars, so the collapse of the dollar will bring it to a very low level. There is no fixed rate for gold so when it is traded to say Canada, it may be worth an awful lot less than what is invested. Beside the holder of the product or skill you want will determine what the price is going to be, not you or anyone else.

Gold is doesn't have a natural use, meaning that you can't eat the stuff and between an egg and an ounce of gold, the egg is far more important in real terms.

Gold is not something that you can make shelter or a tool out of, for most they lack skills and gold to a person of skills would be further useless because they would trade for eggs. Ever shoot a golden bullet, a pain in the a** to clean up.

Gold is not normally used as currency so that $2000 double eagle I saw for sale a few weeks back is and will always remain worth only $20.

AND it really is there to make people rich, those who are selling it on the Pump and Dump scheme of things.

I got the eggs, you got the gold, I don't need the gold but you need the eggs so my price is 2 ounce of gold for that one egg - what a shock that's going to be to those who think the value of an ounce of gold is 3000 eggs.
 

xiggi

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I don't think anyone in here has said investing in gold is "stupid". Are there stupid ways to invest in gold? Absolutely, one such example is investing in antique gold coins, which your hero, Glenn Beck suggest you do, you know, because the Government can't confiscate it :rolleyes:

There are many, many articles out there about this very subject. From ConsumerReports.org.

Link: Behind the hype: Goldline gold investment

If you actually listened to him which you prove time and again you do not you would know he does not push it as a investment. His point is to purchase it as a hedge against the dollar losing it's value.
 

AMonger

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...Beside the holder of the product or skill you want will determine what the price is going to be, not you or anyone else.

Gold is doesn't have a natural use, meaning that you can't eat the stuff and between an egg and an ounce of gold, the egg is far more important in real terms...

Gold is not something that you can make shelter or a tool out of, ...

I got the eggs, you got the gold, I don't need the gold but you need the eggs so my price is 2 ounce of gold for that one egg - what a shock that's going to be to those who think the value of an ounce of gold is 3000 eggs.

However, you might be at Point A, and you need something over at Point B. You have eggs, and a goat, and some vegetables. Are you going to transport all that perishable, fragile stuff from A to B, to make the transaction? If it's hot, the eggs will spoil and picked vegetables might not do so good, either. The goat might be kind of hard to transport. And when you get there, the person who has what you need might not want your eggs, vegetables, or goat.

But if you had a common medium of exchange, the way dollars function today, you could complete your transaction and everybody would be happy. The medium, which would more likely be silver than gold, would have to be durable, portable, standardized, and non-perishable. Food doesn't fit that description. Silver and gold do.
 

greg334

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However, you might be at Point A, and you need something over at Point B. You have eggs, and a goat, and some vegetables. Are you going to transport all that perishable, fragile stuff from A to B, to make the transaction? If it's hot, the eggs will spoil and picked vegetables might not do so good, either. The goat might be kind of hard to transport. And when you get there, the person who has what you need might not want your eggs, vegetables, or goat.

But if you had a common medium of exchange, the way dollars function today, you could complete your transaction and everybody would be happy. The medium, which would more likely be silver than gold, would have to be durable, portable, standardized, and non-perishable. Food doesn't fit that description. Silver and gold do.

All true BUT if we reach a point where the dollar and government no longer exists in any viable form, the problem won't be my egg spoiling but with the reality that people will have when they try to barter with things that are not viable for the first year or so.

In my case, if I wait, I will end up with the gold while eating the egg because you with the gold would have starved instead of letting go of the idea that you dumped $1500 into that ounce of gold and feel you need to get $1500 back from it. If you try to take my egg, again I will protect myself and it with the firearms I traded yearly in the week for the goat.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
All true BUT if we reach a point where the dollar and government no longer exists in any viable form, the problem won't be my egg spoiling but with the reality that people will have when they try to barter with things that are not viable for the first year or so.

In my case, if I wait, I will end up with the gold while eating the egg because you with the gold would have starved instead of letting go of the idea that you dumped $1500 into that ounce of gold and feel you need to get $1500 back from it. If you try to take my egg, again I will protect myself and it with the firearms I traded yearly in the week for the goat.

A dozen eggs = 50 shotgun shells or 100 .22 shells.
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Those are expensive eggs. Ammo gets food either trading or getting it by hunting it.


Yep, that is why I would have chickens, rabbits AND ammo!! I could trade the eggs I did not use for MORE ammo. Ammo, and a LOT of fishing tackle goes a LONG way.
 

AMonger

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All true BUT if we reach a point where the dollar and government no longer exists in any viable form, the problem won't be my egg spoiling but with the reality that people will have when they try to barter with things that are not viable for the first year or so.

In my case, if I wait, I will end up with the gold while eating the egg because you with the gold would have starved instead of letting go of the idea that you dumped $1500 into that ounce of gold and feel you need to get $1500 back from it. If you try to take my egg, again I will protect myself and it with the firearms I traded yearly in the week for the goat.
That's one reason why silver will be better, the cost per unit, and that there's a lot of junk silver including pre-1964 dimes.
 

Pilgrim

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Well Dennis, it will close to worthless when the the sh*t hits the fan because of several reasons;...

Gold is doesn't have a natural use...

Gold is not something that you can make shelter or a tool out of...

I got the eggs, you got the gold, I don't need the gold but you need the eggs so my price is 2 ounce of gold for that one egg - what a shock that's going to be to those who think the value of an ounce of gold is 3000 eggs.

No natural use? I beg to differ:

"Gold is used in an incredibly wide range of technologies. In each of the applications it is used, gold provides outstanding performance due to its unique technical properties. It combines high conductivity with corrosion resistance, and can be physically manipulated as it is both highly malleable and ductile. Gold is also a material of choice in medicine and dentistry as a consequence of its biocompatibility, and recent years have seen it emerge as a key nanomaterial"

Why gold > Technology > World Gold Council

There are numerous reasons that gold has held its value throughout history, aside and apart from being the source material for trinkets and artifacts that last forever.
 

witness23

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If you actually listened to him which you prove time and again you do not you would know he does not push it as a investment. His point is to purchase it as a hedge against the dollar losing it's value.

You bought some antique gold coins, didn't you.

Go away kid, you're bothering me.
 

greg334

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No natural use? I beg to differ:

"Gold is used in an incredibly wide range of technologies. In each of the applications it is used, gold provides outstanding performance due to its unique technical properties. It combines high conductivity with corrosion resistance, and can be physically manipulated as it is both highly malleable and ductile. Gold is also a material of choice in medicine and dentistry as a consequence of its biocompatibility, and recent years have seen it emerge as a key nanomaterial"

Why gold > Technology > World Gold Council

There are numerous reasons that gold has held its value throughout history, aside and apart from being the source material for trinkets and artifacts that last forever.

That's all good and well but .... when there is no industry to use gold and we are fighting for scraps of food, what does gold do for us?

It is too soft to use as bullets in guns without adding something else to it.

It is too soft to make tools out of.

It can't be eaten.

It can't be used as cloth.

It can't be used to make a machine out of outside of a clock.

So the use of using it as a barter vehicle in a time when skills and tangible things are the key to making it through another day may just not be happening until things settle down and order is restored.

Just and FYI, civilization may not collapse or it may - no one knows but throughout history, gold's value fluctuated with the times and culture. I think it was the Spanish who were beside themselves when they discovered that the Aztecs value of gold was that below food.
 
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