"We could find collusion with Russia, for sure, if we would just subpoena Trump's tax returns, examine them, and leak them to the press," said <insert any House Democrat here>.
The Trump Card...
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jujubeans
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JohnWC
Veteran Expediter
JohnWC
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To the wiretapping thin didn't BUSH push for less requirements on wiretapping to fight the war on terrorism
Now its being used for outher things
I wander which freedom we will give up next under one pretext or another
Now its being used for outher things
I wander which freedom we will give up next under one pretext or another
While I'm not a Trumpeter supporter, this wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea.
Apparently more info to come tomorrow.
Article excerpt:
The intelligence is said to leave no doubt the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump, according to sources.
The key to that conclusion is the unmasking of selected U.S. persons whose names appeared in the intelligence, the sources said, adding that the paper trail leaves no other plausible purpose for the unmasking other than to damage the incoming Trump administration.
Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says
Article excerpt:
The intelligence is said to leave no doubt the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump, according to sources.
The key to that conclusion is the unmasking of selected U.S. persons whose names appeared in the intelligence, the sources said, adding that the paper trail leaves no other plausible purpose for the unmasking other than to damage the incoming Trump administration.
Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says
from Snopes.....its fake news....
Reports that the South Carolina Congressman ordered the disinterment of Foster (a Clinton associate who died in 1993) originated from a hoax news site.
heres the other fake news from you guessed it...news republic!!!!
Vince Foster is back in the news today after it was discovered that his body ... , had disappeared from the morgue.
The claim about Gowdy’s purported order was picked up by several dubious sites, but there is no truth to it; the story originated with The Last Line of Defense (The Resistance), an openly fake news outfit whose disclaimer states:
The Resistance may include information from sources that may or may not be reliable and facts that don’t necessarily exist. All articles should be considered satirical and any and all quotes attributed to actual people complete and total baloney. Pictures that represent actual people should be considered altered and not in any way real.
Vince Foster is back in the news today after it was discovered that his body ... , had disappeared from the morgue.
The claim about Gowdy’s purported order was picked up by several dubious sites, but there is no truth to it; the story originated with The Last Line of Defense (The Resistance), an openly fake news outfit whose disclaimer states:
The Resistance may include information from sources that may or may not be reliable and facts that don’t necessarily exist. All articles should be considered satirical and any and all quotes attributed to actual people complete and total baloney. Pictures that represent actual people should be considered altered and not in any way real.
jujubeans
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Little Paul Ryan said, "One of these days I'll get my chance to enter my project into the National Science Fair Competition. And when I do it'll be yooge. You won't believe how good it is."
Finally, after seven long years of working on his project he gets his chance. He walks in and sets up his display to show off his dream.
"What is this supposed to be?" everyone asked.
"Well, it's a cup. With dirt in it. I call it Cup of Dirt."
"That's stupid," said everybody.
'No, it's great," said Paul. "It's the perfect illustration of someone who has the time to come up with something great, but didn't bother. So this is what it looks like when you don't plant the seed of corn into the dirt, and then don't water it."
(concept unabashedly stolen from stand up comedian Brian Regan, and adapted for The Number Three Man In The Line Of Succession)
Finally, after seven long years of working on his project he gets his chance. He walks in and sets up his display to show off his dream.
"What is this supposed to be?" everyone asked.
"Well, it's a cup. With dirt in it. I call it Cup of Dirt."
"That's stupid," said everybody.
'No, it's great," said Paul. "It's the perfect illustration of someone who has the time to come up with something great, but didn't bother. So this is what it looks like when you don't plant the seed of corn into the dirt, and then don't water it."
(concept unabashedly stolen from stand up comedian Brian Regan, and adapted for The Number Three Man In The Line Of Succession)
Alittle off topic, but maybe not,,,,we are never happy-----riots and unrest have been around for a looooong time.
List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States - Wikipedia
Our day and time, we are late for the party,,,who's real happy
List of incidents of civil unrest in the United States - Wikipedia
Our day and time, we are late for the party,,,who's real happy
Bumming a bit about this healthcare fiasco.
No consensus from republicans. If they moved to the right on the bill, they lost the liberal republicans. If they moved to the left, they lost more conservative votes.
Can't help to think that this blown opportunity to produce the right healthcare bill, will ultimately result in a government run single payer system down the road.
No consensus from republicans. If they moved to the right on the bill, they lost the liberal republicans. If they moved to the left, they lost more conservative votes.
Can't help to think that this blown opportunity to produce the right healthcare bill, will ultimately result in a government run single payer system down the road.
A good piece about Obama spying operation on Trump and the complicit media.
12 Pieces Of Proof: The MSM Knew Obama Spied On Trump and LIED To Cover It Up
12 Pieces Of Proof: The MSM Knew Obama Spied On Trump and LIED To Cover It Up
Think I mentioned this before. There will be two parts of healthcare. The single payer type, and the one that you pay extra for actually good care. Yep, already here.
On Jan 1, I stopped posting in the Open Forum because the first quarter of the year is the busy season in the gym business and Diane and I needed to focus there.
I'm back now to offer a few comments about my prediction that Trump will be impeached by the Republicans who have the power to do so, so Pence can become their president of choice. Regrettably, once the comments are posted, I must again exit the forum.
Now open 2.5 years, our gym is known in the community as is our reputation. That contributed to an unexpectedly strong surge in business this season and an all-time high in membership numbers. Customer service is now vital so the many new members who joined will be well served and inclined to stay. Time is money and I don't make money chatting here (as fun as it is).
Trump has been in office just two months. While he can still fill stadiums with campaign-like rallies, his base has not grown stronger. The recent and monumental failure of "repeal and replace" provided clear evidence that Members of Congress do not fear Trump's base as much as I thought they might.
Trump gave Freedom Caucus Republicans an ultimatum. They did not care. It mattered more to them that they remained true to their constituents than to Trump. In the districts where Trump did very well, these Congressmen stood firm against Trump, no matter how many meetings he had with them and how much power he tried to exert and how many implied threats he made.
Trump can fill stadiums with adoring fans but he cannot mobilize those fans to influence the vote of a Congressperson. That became clear this week. That fact is not lost on the political professionals. It is a fact that will be profoundly important when the impeachment debate begins.
The Russia thing continues, not because of the mainstream media but because formal investigations are now underway by the (Republican majority) House Intelligence Committee and the FBI. The (Republican majority) Senate Intelligence Committee (chaired by a Republican) announced that hearings will be held soon on the Russian-ties questions. Republicans don't have to do this but they are. Why? Maybe because they are laying the groundwork for impeachment?
Trump's credibility as a deal maker went down in flames when the repeal and replace bill was pulled. That's not to say his previous business deal making skills are degraded. It just shows how the presidency requires a vastly different skill set than that of a business empire CEO.
An example of that is the travel ban. Trump signed the orders and they have been blocked by the courts.
Most of the executive orders Trump signed early on were symbolic showmanship having little effect. If people did not know that then, they are figuring it out now as the hinted-at results do not appear.
Trump's credibility as a strategist was also shattered when repeal and replace went down. He stood "1000 percent" behind this bill and worked hard to get it through. This for a bill that enjoyed just 17% approval by the general public. Why would a clever strategist get behind a bill so poorly supported?
Trump's reputation as a winner is also coming into question. He lost on the travel ban and lost on repeal and replace.
Trump will likely win on the Gorsuch nomination to the Supreme Court. In the interests of constitutional integrity, I will urge my senators to vote for Gorsuch. The man made it crystal clear that he is constitution first, not Trump first. It seems to go unnoticed by most Republicans that Gorsuch goes to a notably liberal Episcopal church to worship God. This tells me that Gorsuch is his own man and not Trump's man. I believe the Constitution will be safe under this eminently qualified jurist's stewardship. If a Trump-backed claim reaches the Supreme Court, Trump will receive no special treatment from Gorsuch.
Trump's reputation as a conspiracy theorist who has an inaccurate grasp on reality was enhanced when virtually every Member of Congress (Republican and Democrat) and the FBI rose to say there is no evidence to support Trump's claim that Trump Tower was under surveillance by Obama.
An easy thing for Trump to do would be to declare China to be a currency manipulator. Why has he not fulfilled that campaign promise? Might it have something to do with the money he owes to the Bank of China? Trump's conflicts of interest have not been in the news of late but they persist and they will rise again in the impeachment debate if not sooner.
Trump promised action to impose term limits on Congress. That too can be easily initiated (hard to complete but easy to initiate). Why has he not done this easy thing?
I made my prediction of Trump's impeachment before Inauguration Day. I did not anticipate the anti-Trump uprising demonstrated by the Women's March in the following day. The question then was, does this resistance movement have legs? With the passage of time, it is now evident that it does The millions who rose nationwide in January rose again, better organized than ever, to oppose repeal and replace. They had an effect.
When Trump picked Obamacare as his target, he may not have realized how important that health insurance is to the people who now have it. Many of these people rose to protect their health care interests who have not been involved before. Others were Trump supporters who were shocked to learn that Trump really is willing to leave them with nothing when they had something highly valued before.
There is a clear philosophical difference between Democrats and Republicans regarding the role of government in health care and whether health care is a right or privilege. It seems to me that several years of Obamacare and the repeal and replace firestorm has shifted the country very much toward the view that health care is a right. Trump has said he supports universal health care. He may revert to that position to regain his lost popularity.
That will be repugnant to strongly conservative Republicans. And it will be even more repugnant for them to hear Trump saying we need to work with the Democrats as he is now saying. Can you see how Pence will become their preferred alternative? Can you see how impeachment is not the far afield thought it was on Inauguration Day?
Trump can still fill stadiums with adoring fans but I expect empty seats to appear in the future. The wall has not been built or even started. The Muslim ban has been stopped. Repeal and replace gave way to "Obamacare is the law of the land" (Speaker Ryan's words). Sears is about to go bankrupt and put over 100,000 people in the unemployment lines and Trump is doing nothing to stop it. Why does he not save Sears jobs like he saved Carrier jobs?
Trump has plummeted in the job approval polls. The Rassmussen poll was mentioned in this forum when Trump's approval rating reached 55%. Today it is 11 points lower. More significantly, his disapproval ratings have risen. See this page for the ongoing Rasmussen results. Other polls place Trump much lower. One cited 37% which is an all-time low and that was before the repeal and replace failure.
An example of the betrayal Trump's hard-core supporters feel or will feel is provided here. This former Trump supporter says, ""The bill is an absolute betrayal of what Trump represented on the campaign trail," he said. "I feel betrayed."
Look for more of that in the future. As the base erodes and Republicans figure out that Trump hurts them more than he helps, the impeachment debate will begin.
Those are my comments at the end for First Quarter, 2017 with Trump in office 60+ days. Could Trump turn things around? I do not think so. A better man could but a narcissist cannot. For Trump, it's all about him. It's not about the country. It's not about keeping campaign promises. It's not about fighting for something important when you can cut and run instead (repeal and replace). For a narcissist, everything is good or bad depending on how it affects you in the moment. He is talking now about working with the Democrats. He'll betray the GOP in a heartbeat if the Democrats can help him feel better about himself.
In the end, Trump's narcissism will be his undoing.
Thanks for listening. I'll offer additional comments sometime after July 1. The case for impeachment is stronger now than when I first predicted it. I expect it to be even stronger in three months.
I'm back now to offer a few comments about my prediction that Trump will be impeached by the Republicans who have the power to do so, so Pence can become their president of choice. Regrettably, once the comments are posted, I must again exit the forum.
Now open 2.5 years, our gym is known in the community as is our reputation. That contributed to an unexpectedly strong surge in business this season and an all-time high in membership numbers. Customer service is now vital so the many new members who joined will be well served and inclined to stay. Time is money and I don't make money chatting here (as fun as it is).
Trump has been in office just two months. While he can still fill stadiums with campaign-like rallies, his base has not grown stronger. The recent and monumental failure of "repeal and replace" provided clear evidence that Members of Congress do not fear Trump's base as much as I thought they might.
Trump gave Freedom Caucus Republicans an ultimatum. They did not care. It mattered more to them that they remained true to their constituents than to Trump. In the districts where Trump did very well, these Congressmen stood firm against Trump, no matter how many meetings he had with them and how much power he tried to exert and how many implied threats he made.
Trump can fill stadiums with adoring fans but he cannot mobilize those fans to influence the vote of a Congressperson. That became clear this week. That fact is not lost on the political professionals. It is a fact that will be profoundly important when the impeachment debate begins.
The Russia thing continues, not because of the mainstream media but because formal investigations are now underway by the (Republican majority) House Intelligence Committee and the FBI. The (Republican majority) Senate Intelligence Committee (chaired by a Republican) announced that hearings will be held soon on the Russian-ties questions. Republicans don't have to do this but they are. Why? Maybe because they are laying the groundwork for impeachment?
Trump's credibility as a deal maker went down in flames when the repeal and replace bill was pulled. That's not to say his previous business deal making skills are degraded. It just shows how the presidency requires a vastly different skill set than that of a business empire CEO.
An example of that is the travel ban. Trump signed the orders and they have been blocked by the courts.
Most of the executive orders Trump signed early on were symbolic showmanship having little effect. If people did not know that then, they are figuring it out now as the hinted-at results do not appear.
Trump's credibility as a strategist was also shattered when repeal and replace went down. He stood "1000 percent" behind this bill and worked hard to get it through. This for a bill that enjoyed just 17% approval by the general public. Why would a clever strategist get behind a bill so poorly supported?
Trump's reputation as a winner is also coming into question. He lost on the travel ban and lost on repeal and replace.
Trump will likely win on the Gorsuch nomination to the Supreme Court. In the interests of constitutional integrity, I will urge my senators to vote for Gorsuch. The man made it crystal clear that he is constitution first, not Trump first. It seems to go unnoticed by most Republicans that Gorsuch goes to a notably liberal Episcopal church to worship God. This tells me that Gorsuch is his own man and not Trump's man. I believe the Constitution will be safe under this eminently qualified jurist's stewardship. If a Trump-backed claim reaches the Supreme Court, Trump will receive no special treatment from Gorsuch.
Trump's reputation as a conspiracy theorist who has an inaccurate grasp on reality was enhanced when virtually every Member of Congress (Republican and Democrat) and the FBI rose to say there is no evidence to support Trump's claim that Trump Tower was under surveillance by Obama.
An easy thing for Trump to do would be to declare China to be a currency manipulator. Why has he not fulfilled that campaign promise? Might it have something to do with the money he owes to the Bank of China? Trump's conflicts of interest have not been in the news of late but they persist and they will rise again in the impeachment debate if not sooner.
Trump promised action to impose term limits on Congress. That too can be easily initiated (hard to complete but easy to initiate). Why has he not done this easy thing?
I made my prediction of Trump's impeachment before Inauguration Day. I did not anticipate the anti-Trump uprising demonstrated by the Women's March in the following day. The question then was, does this resistance movement have legs? With the passage of time, it is now evident that it does The millions who rose nationwide in January rose again, better organized than ever, to oppose repeal and replace. They had an effect.
When Trump picked Obamacare as his target, he may not have realized how important that health insurance is to the people who now have it. Many of these people rose to protect their health care interests who have not been involved before. Others were Trump supporters who were shocked to learn that Trump really is willing to leave them with nothing when they had something highly valued before.
There is a clear philosophical difference between Democrats and Republicans regarding the role of government in health care and whether health care is a right or privilege. It seems to me that several years of Obamacare and the repeal and replace firestorm has shifted the country very much toward the view that health care is a right. Trump has said he supports universal health care. He may revert to that position to regain his lost popularity.
That will be repugnant to strongly conservative Republicans. And it will be even more repugnant for them to hear Trump saying we need to work with the Democrats as he is now saying. Can you see how Pence will become their preferred alternative? Can you see how impeachment is not the far afield thought it was on Inauguration Day?
Trump can still fill stadiums with adoring fans but I expect empty seats to appear in the future. The wall has not been built or even started. The Muslim ban has been stopped. Repeal and replace gave way to "Obamacare is the law of the land" (Speaker Ryan's words). Sears is about to go bankrupt and put over 100,000 people in the unemployment lines and Trump is doing nothing to stop it. Why does he not save Sears jobs like he saved Carrier jobs?
Trump has plummeted in the job approval polls. The Rassmussen poll was mentioned in this forum when Trump's approval rating reached 55%. Today it is 11 points lower. More significantly, his disapproval ratings have risen. See this page for the ongoing Rasmussen results. Other polls place Trump much lower. One cited 37% which is an all-time low and that was before the repeal and replace failure.
An example of the betrayal Trump's hard-core supporters feel or will feel is provided here. This former Trump supporter says, ""The bill is an absolute betrayal of what Trump represented on the campaign trail," he said. "I feel betrayed."
Look for more of that in the future. As the base erodes and Republicans figure out that Trump hurts them more than he helps, the impeachment debate will begin.
Those are my comments at the end for First Quarter, 2017 with Trump in office 60+ days. Could Trump turn things around? I do not think so. A better man could but a narcissist cannot. For Trump, it's all about him. It's not about the country. It's not about keeping campaign promises. It's not about fighting for something important when you can cut and run instead (repeal and replace). For a narcissist, everything is good or bad depending on how it affects you in the moment. He is talking now about working with the Democrats. He'll betray the GOP in a heartbeat if the Democrats can help him feel better about himself.
In the end, Trump's narcissism will be his undoing.
Thanks for listening. I'll offer additional comments sometime after July 1. The case for impeachment is stronger now than when I first predicted it. I expect it to be even stronger in three months.
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