After 18 years no longer with Fed Ex Custom Critical.

NTHEWIND

Seasoned Expediter
It was a good while it lasted, but like with most all good things it was time to move on. My wife and I took our truck and trailer are now with Landstar Ranger. We have been up and running for about 6 weeks . That had been long enough to take some time and reflex and compare the 2 companies. I will not go into all the details between the two but would like to take the time and share the way I see the differences. First thing we found out with Landstar is we are called BCO's (Business Capacity Owners) not Owner Operators like we have always been. That means we are running our own business and we are responsible for most everything that it takes to run a trucking business. Things we took for granted that was provided for us by FedEx we now were responsible for. It has been a challenging transition, but I think the end results are going to be well worth it. We are now in control of how our truck is operated and being in control now means we can choose what, where, who we haul for, what agents we want to work with and how much money we are going to make. This is the new found 'freedom' that we have has made for a lot less stress and it has been so nice talking and working with people that we enjoy doing business with. (by saying 'doing business with' means hauling their customers shipments). As we build our relationships, by providing good service. with agents they WANT us to haul their customers freight and call us.
FedEx Custom Critical....... We started when it was Roberts Express. Most people outside of the industry never heard of Roberts Express. People in the industry knew Roberts Express as the finest transportation service you could buy. When you ordered Roberts Express to move your shipment it was handled by the best in the industry. To get into White Glove you had to be with the company for at least 6 months and had to write a letter to Dave Hodge. If accepted you had to go to Green, Oh and take a training course. That is ancient history. Let's look at the company now. They advertise in many trucking papers. “Sign on to pull our company temperature control trailers and start out in our 'prestigious' White Glove Fleet.” 'Prestigious', describes what it once was, not what it has become.
In comparison to the Landstar system, FXCC is very VERY easy. Their system is so easy, “It's so easy a caveman can do it.” The problem is that is the way the company sees you, as a caveman. You need to be told when it is time check out and leave for a pickup. You need to tell them when you stop, start, take a rest break. They will even let you know that you are sitting it traffic and running late. You can't be trusted to call anyone but people in dispatch, because after all you are just a caveman and might grunt some illegible remarks while on the phone to a customer. If you have a question about their dispatch (can we all say DVA system?) or any other operations you can rest assured that you will be told that they know what they are doing and you should just 'trust the system' because you as a caveman should not question their system. BUT, I started questioning the way they were doing business. They were HIRING unqualified drivers that lead to lowering of the companies CSA score. The companies response to the lowered CSA score? Blame the DRVERS! I questioned other things, I turned into a 'bad' caveman.
I got tired of living on the 'Planet of the Apes' and glad to living in a world that I now have control.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Good for you!!!! I saw the light in 1999 and got out of the cave. Best move I ever made.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Good for you!!!! I saw the light in 1999 and got out of the cave. Best move I ever made.

and I seen the light just this year....slow learner too I guess......:)

BTW:
NTHEWIND..... Congrats on your declaration of freedom from carrier oppression.....:)
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Nice report, NTHEWIND. Our move from FedEx Custom Critical to Landstar Express America was one the best things we did as expediters. We're out of the business now but if we ever returned, we'd be knocking on Landstar's door and no others.
 

runrunner

Veteran Expediter
LandStar has been around a long time,has always had a good reputation. I'm sure they have had to go with the flow,as Expediting has changed,but, they have managed to hang on to there core values.I recall talking to owners leased with them years ago,and they were happy,you talk to them today and there still happy. Hope none buys them out, and all that changes. That's what happened to Roberts Express.
 

NTHEWIND

Seasoned Expediter
Booking our own loads off the load board is only one part of the system. We have gotten calls from agents telling us that they see us in the area area and they have a load and wanted to know if we'd be interested in hauling it for them........so these loads never see the load board.
Sounds like an exciting new adventure. Are you able to book your own loads?
 

NTHEWIND

Seasoned Expediter
Nice report, NTHEWIND. Our move from FedEx Custom Critical to Landstar Express America was one the best things we did as expediters. We're out of the business now but if we ever returned, we'd be knocking on Landstar's door and no others.

Thanks for taking the time to write a reply. We are hoping that this will be the last change we have to make.
 

NTHEWIND

Seasoned Expediter
LandStar has been around a long time,has always had a good reputation. I'm sure they have had to go with the flow,as Expediting has changed,but, they have managed to hang on to there core values.I recall talking to owners leased with them years ago,and they were happy,you talk to them today and there still happy. Hope none buys them out, and all that changes. That's what happened to Roberts Express.
In a way the company just HAD to change with the times. I really don't hold too much of a grudge. They are still a good company IF you want to be willing to work their way with no questions asked and take their system for what it is.
 

Deville

Not a Member
FedEx Custom Critical....... We started when it was Roberts Express. Most people outside of the industry never heard of Roberts Express. People in the industry knew Roberts Express as the finest transportation service you could buy. When you ordered Roberts Express to move your shipment it was handled by the best in the industry. To get into White Glove you had to be with the company for at least 6 months and had to write a letter to Dave Hodge. If accepted you had to go to Green, Oh and take a training course. That is ancient history. Let's look at the company now. They advertise in many trucking papers. “Sign on to pull our company temperature control trailers and start out in our 'prestigious' White Glove Fleet.” 'Prestigious', describes what it once was, not what it has become.
In comparison to the Landstar system, FXCC is very VERY easy. Their system is so easy, “It's so easy a caveman can do it.” The problem is that is the way the company sees you, as a caveman. You need to be told when it is time check out and leave for a pickup. You need to tell them when you stop, start, take a rest break. They will even let you know that you are sitting it traffic and running late. You can't be trusted to call anyone but people in dispatch, because after all you are just a caveman and might grunt some illegible remarks while on the phone to a customer. If you have a question about their dispatch (can we all say DVA system?) or any other operations you can rest assured that you will be told that they know what they are doing and you should just 'trust the system' because you as a caveman should not question their system.

I have to say this was a very entertaining read and perhaps this was what you experienced with CC but I have experienced the exact opposite. Yes CC would prefer you do things a certain way but when push comes to shove you are the Contractor, you are the business owner YOU make the final call. Landstar operates differently and they have cute names for what they call a contractor but at the end of the day it's all the same thing.

I always ran my company with the mindset that FEDEX is a client that I am servicing, and yes they make up the bulk of my business but FEDEX is just one part of my business. I don't believe in putting all my eggs in one basket, that being said I have always been willing to work with FEDEX than to fight them. Many people who post on here want to fight fight fight. Well I am living proof for more than 10 years that you will attract more flies with honey than vinegar and need to fight the battles that are worth fighting and possibly winning. It did take me almost four years to figure this out and my own willingness to change and adapt my business model to change not just with FEDEX but the industry as well and to be proactive and try to anticipate change as best as possible.

10 plus years with FEDEX and almost 23 years in the trucking industry I must be doing something right.

Good luck at Land Star.
 

bolter82

Expert Expediter
My Owner is a Landstar Agent near Nashville, TN. I take it you have the list?

Booking our own loads off the load board is only one part of the system. We have gotten calls from agents telling us that they see us in the area area and they have a load and wanted to know if we'd be interested in hauling it for them........so these loads never see the load board.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Thanks for taking the time to write a reply. We are hoping that this will be the last change we have to make.

I believe you will find that to be the case, NTHEWIND. Thinking back on it, a smile comes to my face as I remember how good it felt to be with Landstar. We were truly happy there as were most others we met.

We were happy with our previous motor carrier too until policy changes took things south and prompted us to leave. But that happiness was of a different sort. It is quite something to love your motor carrier in the way Landstar BCO's love theirs. It is an experience that is difficult to explain to those who have not had it themselves.

There are many differences between the two carriers. The most important difference, I think, is the respect Landstar shows for its BCO's and the trust it places in them.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Yes CC would prefer you do things a certain way but when push comes to shove you are the Contractor, you are the business owner YOU make the final call. Landstar operates differently and they have cute names for what they call a contractor but at the end of the day it's all the same thing.

I beg to differ.

- When we started with Landstar we often hauled the exact same loads for the exact same shippers. Landstar paid more than FCC; significantly more.

- When we had a dry run, we often had to fight for dry run pay at FCC. At Landstar, agents offered it up without us even asking.

- When we had unexpected detention time, we often had to fight for it at FCC and, more often than not, we lost that fight to the argument that they were unable to charge the customer. At Landstar the agents offered it up without us asking.

- At FCC, if we had a load on board with a computed drive time that put us at the delivery at 2:15 AM, we had to get close, even if the business would not open for delivery until 8:00 AM. At Landstar, there is no such nonsense. If delivery is 8:00 AM, it was up to us how to spend the time between pickup and delivery. So too over a weekend where the freedom to move about is especially appreciated.

- At Landstar, if we stopped for fuel or lunch or a nap, we simply stopped. There is no need to report the event to the carrier as with FCC. At Landstar, we never once received a Qualcomm message, "Are you moving?" At FCC, that message was frequent and unnecessary in every case.

- At Landstar we benefited from the relationship with sister companies and the larger fleet those companies comprised. We were welcome to park at Landstar facilities. At FCC, when we were at a FedEx Ground or FedEx Freight facility, we were treated like unwelcome trespassers as soon as our pickup or deliver was complete.

- At Landstar, we had our own conversations with customs brokers when doing Canada loads. It was surprising to learn that the many times we spent marooned at the border with FCC because of a freight broker issue was, as often as not, a FCC dispatch blunder in which dispatch was blaming the broker. When you work directly with the customs broker, the job is better done because you are the one who will be marooned. When an uncaring dispatcher is thinking more about getting done with work so she can pick her kids up at school, the customs broker conversation is easily passed off to the next shift where the details are unknown or the matter is simply set down.

- At Landstar, if a departure call is required at all, it's "we're loaded and underway, please load my fuel card." And it could be left by voice mail if the phone was not immediately answered. At FCC the departure calls sometimes involved long hold times and always involved a sad set of questions that clearly demonstrated the company's distrust of its contractors.

- At FCC, a HAZMAT departure call was even more involved. At Landstar, there are no HAZMAT departure calls because the company expects its BCO's to know the rules well enough to comply. HAZMAT support is available during business hours but it falls to the BCO to do it right. The HAZMAT training Landstar provides is superior to that provided by FCC. At Landstar, we were required to complete a course of study and online test before you could attend the class. Landstar BCO's know more about HAZMAT going into their HAZMAT classroom than FCC drivers know walking out of theirs.

- At Landstar, the equipment standards are higher and more strictly enforced. DOT truck inspections are required every 120 days and Landstar pays for them if you pass the inspection. Their system is stronger because of the arrangement Landstar has with its approved inspectors at truck stops and other facilities. The truck owner has no control of the process once the inspection begins. If something is found that would take the truck out of service, the inspector notifies Landstar and there is nothing the BCO can do to prevent it. At FCC, if an out-of-service item is found, the contractor can simply pay for the inspection and keep that secret to him or herself. (At least that was the way it was a couple years ago). Truck stop mechanics are unwilling to let something slide or give a driver a break when doing a Landstar inspection because Landstar watches them close (secret shoppers, violations citations checked against the most recent inspector) and will terminate the privilige when a lax inspector is found.

- At Landstar, it does not matter how old your truck is. If it can pass it's quarterly DOT inspections, everything is good. At FCC, a truck can be no more than 10 years old. Why is that? A well maintained truck can run for 20 years, why penalize people who choose to drive older trucks?

- At FCC, if you found yourself at odds with a particular dispatcher, you had no choice but to deal with that person again if he or she happened to be the one to pick up the phone. At Landstar, if an agent is problematic, you can cross him or her off your list and work with many others. These Landstar agents treat drivers better and with more respect because of that. They cannot afford to develop a negative reputation among drivers.

- The difference shows up at truck stops. Put any group of FCC contractors together over coffee or a meal at a truck stop and it does not take long for the dispatch horror stories to begin. A name of a particular dispatcher might be mentioned and the next 30 minutes might be dedicated to her in a negative way. With Landstar BCO's, the truck stop conversations are different. If an agent is mentioned at all, it is usually about how good he or she is or what loads he or she dispatches.

- When a BCO visits Landstar headquarters, you enter the front door and are welcomed as a special guest. Once you are badged in, you are allowed to go anywhere in the building you wish, including to the president's office. At FCC, if you are allowed into the building at all, it is only through the driver's entrance, which provides access to the lobby, classroom and bathrooms. If you wish to get further into the building, you may do so only if you are escorted.

- If you wish to park your truck overnight at Landstar HQ, you may do so in an area designated for that purpose. Overnight truck parking at FCC is prohibited.

- At Landstar, agents never called with load offers that were ridiculously stupid. At FCC, the Qualcomm unit beeped constantly with them.

- Interaction with shippers and consignees is enhanced at Lanstar because you have more freedom. The computer does not get between you and them. Most agents are perfectly fine with you making your own calls and arrangements. This enabled us to negotiate overnight parking, get directions and gain insight into true pickup and delivery times at Landstar in ways that could never happen at FCC. Once, in May, at a pickup, we asked a shipper when he wanted the delivery completed by. He said "Sometime before September." What a great run that was! We took time to enjoy the trip. Once when we asked about a good place to park before the business opened to accept delivery, in a city where parking is tough, a consignee gave us the combination to the gate so we let ourselves in overnight and park in the yard. That never would have happened with FCC.

- FCC tracks your load acceptance rate. Landstar does not. If you asked someone at Landstar headquarters what your acceptance rate was, they would be confused by the question. Why would you want to know that? they would ask. Landstar does not care how many loads you accept or reject or how long you are in service or out. They care only that you drive safe and perform well on the loads you do accept.

- FCC owns and operates its own fleet of reefer trailers in direct competition to its contractors. This sets up a blatant conflict of interest that is repugnant. Landstar also owns reefer trailers but BCO's pull them in an arrangement in which there is no conflict of interest between the BCO and the motor carrier.

While Landstar and FCC are both in the business of hauling freight, it is not the case that "it's all the same thing." The two companies are profoundly different in many ways.

A few of those ways are mentioned above. Others may wish to add to the list.
 
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usafk9

Veteran Expediter
I beg to differ.

- When we started with Landstar we often hauled the exact same loads for the exact same shippers. Landstar paid more than FCC; significantly more.

- When we had a dry run, we often had to fight for dry run pay at FCC. At Landstar, agents offered it up without us even asking.

- When we had unexpected detention time, we often had to fight for it at FCC and, more often than not, we lost that fight to the argument that they were unable to charge the customer. At Landstar the agents offered it up without us asking.

- At FCC, if we had a load on board with a computed drive time that put us at the delivery at 2:15 AM, we had to get close, even if the business would not open for delivery until 8:00 AM. At Landstar, there is no such nonsense. If delivery is 8:00 AM, it was up to us how to spend the time between pickup and delivery.

- At Landstar, if we stopped for fuel or lunch or a nap, we simply stopped. There is no need to report the event to the carrier as with FCC.

- At Landstar, we had our own conversations with customs brokers when doing Canada loads. It was surprising to learn that the many times we spent marooned at the border with FCC because of a freight broker issue was, more often than not, a FCC dispatch issue in which dispatch was blaming the broker.

- At Landstar, if a departure call is required at all, it's "we're loaded and underway, please load my fuel card" and it could be left by voice mail if the phone was not immediately answered. At FCC the departure calls sometimes involved long hold times and always involved a sad set of questions that clearly demonstrated the company's distrust of its contractors.

- At FCC, a HAZMAT departure call was even more involved. At Landstar, there are no HAZMAT departure calls because the company expects its BCO's to know the rules well enough to comply. HAZMAT support is available during business hours but it falls to the BCO to do it right. The HAZMAT training Landstar provides is superior to that provided by FCC. At Landstar, you were required to complete a course of study and online test before you could attend the class. Landstar BCO's know more about HAZMAT going into that classroom than FCC drivers know leaving their HAZMAT training.

- At Landstar, the equipment standards are higher. DOT truck inspections are required quarterly and Landstar pays for them if you pass the inspection. Their system is stronger too. Because of the arrangement Landstar has with its approved inspectors at truck stops and other facilities, the truck owner has no control of the process once the inspection begins. If something is found that would take the truck out of service, the inspector notifies Landstar and there is nothing the BCO can do to prevent it. At FCC, if an out-of-service item is found, the contractor can simply pay for the inspection and keep that secret to him or herself. (At least that was the way it was a couple years ago).

- At FCC, if you found yourself at odds with a particular dispatcher, you had no choice but to deal with that person again if he or she happened to be the one to pick up the phone. At Landstar, if an agent is problematic, you can cross him or her off your list and work with many others. These Landstar agents tread drivers better and with more respect because of that. They cannot afford to develop a negative reputation among drivers.

- The difference shows up at truck stops. Put any group of FCC contractors together over coffee or a meal at a truck stop and it does not take long for the dispatch horror stories to begin. A name of a particular dispatcher might be mentioned and the next 30 minutes might be dedicated to her in a negative way. With Landstar BCO's, the truck stop conversations are different. If an agent is mentioned at all, it is usually about how good he or she is or what loads he or she dispatches.

While Landstar and FCC are both in the business of hauling freight, it is not the case that "it's all the same thing." The two companies are profoundly different in many ways.

A few of those ways are mentioned above. Others may wish to add to the list.

There are other ways they differ, but some of the big ones you have mentioned, rates and distrust being chief among them in my book. One that I get a kick out of, is scanning in hazmat paperwork, then the "highway control agent" (who ever came up with that title?) directing you to read the Hazmat information from left to right. Me: " Did you get my scan?" HCA: "Yes, I'm looking at it now." Me: "Then why do you need me to read it to you?" HCA: "Because IT'S YOUR JOB!!!" (I only used three, as I'm concerned about EO's cavalier destruction of the global exclamation point stockpile).

There are others, but I'm gonna hold my tongue for a bit. Some Canuck keeps saying something about a bridge on fire......
 
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paullud

Veteran Expediter
I have to say this was a very entertaining read and perhaps this was what you experienced with CC but I have experienced the exact opposite. Yes CC would prefer you do things a certain way but when push comes to shove you are the Contractor, you are the business owner YOU make the final call. Landstar operates differently and they have cute names for what they call a contractor but at the end of the day it's all the same thing.

How long were you at Landstar?
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Based on this thread, I have to wonder if Landstar has a recruiting office at the Fed?:cool:
 

Deville

Not a Member
People are free to think that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, and for some such as A team it is. I never really ran into the issues A Team described and no one over in green really bothers me. So i'm good.
 

letsdrive

Seasoned Expediter
I see landstar drivers seem to be happy as far as things are run ive always wondered thhose who set sail to landstar if they are staying busier as far as freight goes and pay are they making more as for me thats what makes me happy
 
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