Glad I lived up to your expectations Greg!!!...
I feel like I am asking the tough questions...like Meet the Press!!!
This is a tale of US expansion not Russian aggression
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Glad I lived up to your expectations Greg!!!...
I feel like I am asking the tough questions...like Meet the Press!!!
Hahaha.... your both from Michigan!! A Canadian governor no less....thats gotta hurt...*LOL*
Tough questions from Meet the Press? That's funny, let me on there, I will grill those goobers into next week. They would all start doing the Obama "don't be mean to me" whine when I get done with them!!!! At least I get a less than 75 when my run cancelled.They are worth a lot!! I take mine into the truck stops and they only charge me what ever they charge everyone else for coffee!!! What a bargin!!!!!! LOL Layoutshooter
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Thanks, I really needed that......
Guys... no self respecting student would quote The Guardian newspaper as an objective, authoritative source. It is so far out of leftfield, it is hardly part of this galaxy. Twenty years ago, my college professors told us it had no credibility at all. Much like Air America, only pushes an extreme left-wing agenda. Absolutely hates America, but embraces Louis Farrakhan. Many newspaper push an extreme agenda, but The Guardian is the worst of the lot.
A Canadian by way of California!!! Geez, can it get any worse? LOL!!!! She is also known as the "Wicked Witch of the North" layotushooter
I see the connection..Canada-California= CC...that would make a perfect... contract co-ordinator???*LOL*
No, I don't think so OVM. Even my "CC" is smarter that Jennifer the "Witch". Michigan is living proof that Osama Obama's tax plan won't work. Those kind of taxes are in place in Michigan and we are enjoying a great one state recession. Layoutshooter
What a waste of a beautiful state...from 69 northward...so bountiful for hunting and fishing...
It is a waste. The hunting and fishing is WONDERFUL where I live. SE Michigan, 8 miles from the Ohio line, near Toledo. There is no better walleye (Pikerel for you Canadians) fishing anywhere in the world. Fantastic smallmouth and perch fishing. Not to mention the pan fish pike and muskie. I hunt duck here too, hence the name Layoutshooter. A VERY special type of duck hunting that was invented in this area. I have taken one deer down here too, a couple of years ago but it is not where I normally hunt deer. Layoutshooter
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Originally Posted by Seumas Milne
Could these by any chance be the leaders of the same governments that in 2003 invaded and occupied - along with Georgia, as luck would have it - the sovereign state of Iraq on a false pretext at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives? Or even the two governments that blocked a ceasefire in the summer of 2006 as Israel pulverised Lebanon's infrastructure and killed more than a thousand civilians in retaliation for the capture or killing of five soldiers?
This entire article and the author’s credibility was ruined by this paragraph.
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How is that? Because the truth was told...? Yea I know it says in this book how we (Goyim Sheeple) are suppose to be sub servant to the Khazarrs I meant Gods Chosen.ya ya ya
Ties in with it
Is Not Western
Hypocrisy Astonishing?
By Patrick J. Buchanan
8-16-8
Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.
Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.
Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.
Reveling in his status as an intimate of George Bush, Dick Cheney and John McCain, and America's lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, Saakashvili thought he could get away with a lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.
Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.
American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight * Russia finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.
Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.
True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?
Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?
Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?
When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for their independence, should succeed in breaking away?
Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they advance the agenda of the neocons, many of whom viscerally detest Russia?
That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's provocative and stupid stunt to administer an extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is not Russian anger understandable? For years the West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.
When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 states, and sought friendship and alliance with the United States, what did we do?
American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.
Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would require the United States to go to war with Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.
When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?
The United States unilaterally abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our technology was superior, then planned to site anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A Russian counter-offer to have us together put an anti-missile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.
We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.
Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.
Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us to go home and become subservient to Moscow.
How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, the way we are in the former Soviet republics, how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?
For a decade, some of us have warned about the folly of getting into Russia's space and getting into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic imperialism have now come home to roost * in Tbilisi.
Copyright © 2008 Creators Syndicate
Is Not Western
Hypocrisy Astonishing?
By Patrick J. Buchanan
8-16-8
Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.
Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.
Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.
Reveling in his status as an intimate of George Bush, Dick Cheney and John McCain, and America's lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, Saakashvili thought he could get away with a lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.
Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.
American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight * Russia finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.
Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.
True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?
Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?
Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?
When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for their independence, should succeed in breaking away?
Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they advance the agenda of the neocons, many of whom viscerally detest Russia?
That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's provocative and stupid stunt to administer an extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is not Russian anger understandable? For years the West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.
When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 states, and sought friendship and alliance with the United States, what did we do?
American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.
Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would require the United States to go to war with Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.
When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?
The United States unilaterally abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our technology was superior, then planned to site anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A Russian counter-offer to have us together put an anti-missile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.
We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.
Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.
Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us to go home and become subservient to Moscow.
How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, the way we are in the former Soviet republics, how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?
For a decade, some of us have warned about the folly of getting into Russia's space and getting into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic imperialism have now come home to roost * in Tbilisi.
Copyright © 2008 Creators Syndicate
greg334
Veteran Expediter
You just don't get it.
Please study Russian history.
Buchanan is wrong on a bunch of points and to sit here and pick them all out to explain them to you is just a lesson in futility, because you just don't get it. You put too much BS spin into this conspricy junk that has been floating around for decades and you think everything is original thinking in the last 50 years. Amazing.... why can't you come up with an original thought?
Learn your enemy, learn who is calling the shots over there and learn what the real truth is about Georgia, Russia and Chechnya - there is something about lost pride with the Russians and the events that are unfolding.
As for the credibility of the author as copied by OVM, the paragraph I copied and highlighted that you forgot to copy from my post has two points, one was Iraq, which the author is using the same propaganda as most who want to stay ignorant to the fact, and the other is the stupid statement that pretty much says Israel has no right to defned itself. I for one wanted to see Israel complete the job and wipe Hamas completely off the face of the earth, but again I bet you that you support Hamas in that fight.
Please study Russian history.
Buchanan is wrong on a bunch of points and to sit here and pick them all out to explain them to you is just a lesson in futility, because you just don't get it. You put too much BS spin into this conspricy junk that has been floating around for decades and you think everything is original thinking in the last 50 years. Amazing.... why can't you come up with an original thought?
Learn your enemy, learn who is calling the shots over there and learn what the real truth is about Georgia, Russia and Chechnya - there is something about lost pride with the Russians and the events that are unfolding.
As for the credibility of the author as copied by OVM, the paragraph I copied and highlighted that you forgot to copy from my post has two points, one was Iraq, which the author is using the same propaganda as most who want to stay ignorant to the fact, and the other is the stupid statement that pretty much says Israel has no right to defned itself. I for one wanted to see Israel complete the job and wipe Hamas completely off the face of the earth, but again I bet you that you support Hamas in that fight.
Actually I have studied Russian /Slavic History and I do get it. You can try to degrade me about the conspiracy junk and all..But did you even know what a Khazar is? Probably never heard of it. And Pat Buchanan I don't agree with everything but I do agree on somethings. Israel has attacked so many since 1948 it would take a long time to mention it all. But as as the Sheeple say says here in this book. Blinded by what a few
(Preachers) have it to fit for their own agenda. Not all some actually believe it and are not aware of the world around them
I wonder if Hamas owned 96 percent of the world media would you and others like you say the same thing about the zionist?
We get bombarded every day about crazy Arabs and blah blah blah. What if the shoe was on the other foot.. How about every day Crazy jews shoot and bomb Arabs just cause they want to..
No I don't support Hamas I don't think their would even be one or any group if the zionist were not so demanding,cruel, and brutal. Not just to the men fighters but the whole population.
They learned quite well from the Nazis on how to terrify people, torture, and other brutal tactics......With my tax dollar.
Demand more money from my country USA. Have a kosher tax on a bag of chips let alone bottle of bleach. Why should I have to pay a kosher tax? I could care less if the sandwich bags I buy are kosher.Why is it so many are afraid to answer that?
Why haven't you answered that? Your so smart or claim to be. I am sure you and I together are as educated as the man who is on tv and newsprint who gets paid 5/6 figures a years while we hold steering wheels trying to make ends meet. And if I or others speak out against the horrible way innocents are treated we are at best dismissed..Your Conspiracy theory thing the last 50 years, or anti sametic. Or redneck, trailer trash blah blah blah
When the Native American Lakota where defending their families, their life style, their families traditions, it is considered noble today. Back then they were treated like the Arabs are today. So take a look at history how the USA is judged in these matters. Try a glimpse into the future how the USA and Israel will be judged 100 years from now.
long dog fight...democracy vs communism...
greg334
Veteran Expediter
OVM, it goes much deeper than that. Russia is testing the waters, they are dragging their feet on both action and rhetoric - as usual.
Well Bleemer, my computer crashed again while I was replying to you. It must be some Zionists trying to prevent me from replying.
Look all you speak of is propaganda, it all comes from a few sources and it is the same stuff with a different wrapper.
If the Zionist controlled the media, we would have every bit of pro-Israeli news on the tube, in print and on the radio. We would have true censorship, Carter's BS book would have not been printed, he would not have been elected either for that matter, so the validity of your foundation is flawed. For that matter, if there was any semblance of a Zionist movement to take over the world, we would not have the UN condemning Israel, but also condemn the killings of Jews, Christians, Moderate Muslims, Hindi, Buddhist in Africa, Middle East and Asia but they don't.
AND if you studied Russian history at any length, you would know that propaganda can be a powerful thing and Stalin, Beria and others used it well during the 30's. If you had some of the history classes like I had, you would have heard this;
."...it don't matter what the people think, we will tell them what to think. They will believe that it is a fascist movement within the government who has done this to them...."
You know that, right? Oh you don't recall in your history classes that a lot of people believed that Stalin had nothing to do with their pending death but in fact signed off on it, only to die saying his name.
Here's a little different take on this subject in an article by Dick Morris:
HITLER INVADED SUDETENLAND; NOW PUTIN INVADES SOUTH OSSETIA at DickMorris.com
I'm not sure we should be getting too involved with these types of squabbles over there, but in the other hand Putin needs to know there are limits. The main thing we need to be concerned about is our missle defense system in Poland. If we should be picking our fights over there, maybe that's the one to pick instead of one about some obscure province in Georgia.
HITLER INVADED SUDETENLAND; NOW PUTIN INVADES SOUTH OSSETIA at DickMorris.com
I'm not sure we should be getting too involved with these types of squabbles over there, but in the other hand Putin needs to know there are limits. The main thing we need to be concerned about is our missle defense system in Poland. If we should be picking our fights over there, maybe that's the one to pick instead of one about some obscure province in Georgia.
actually I had already posted about this...shall I again?
Well Greggy or is it Gregory?
I can repost the links of how Zionist control 96 percent of our media and if chose not to open your eyes to fact don't bother trying to argue. Their is so much zionist proganda divide and conquer is what they call it..But I bet your way to intelligent to see that
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Belittle you? if you want, I can but I haven’t.
What I am trying to do is to show you how stupid this stuff all sounds and how little is actually factual.
Oh I remember something being written in the 40’s that there was a complete dominance of the media by the Jews at that time – here is the US. The Germans made the same comment in the 20’s and early 30’s. Why can’t you see this as a repeat?
Get real with his energy policy; he had nothing – what wear a sweater? Come on, your better than that.
The book, which has gone through a number of versions and titles is really titled “Протоколы сионских мудрецов” or “Protocols of the Zionist wise men”. It was written by a Russian and there are theories that it really was written by some of the Orthodox Church member who just learned how to write while others think that it was just written as a joke and hence is the reason it was published privately for the first edition. In 1905, Sergei Nilus took the book and published it for the public. The Imperial Government promoted the book as a counter measure tool against the revolutionary faction within Russia that was trying to gain a foot hold in Russia and get the people on their side (remember propaganda).
The idea was that socialism is actually a Jewish thing, hence if you want to support revolution, then you are supporting a Jewish cause. Hilter and others believed that, as did Ford here and tried to fool people in thinking that their problems (even Ford) were all because of some high Jewish conspiracy.
The amazing thing is that is you compare this book to two other books, “Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu” by Joly and "Biarritz” by Goedsche, there is too much that seems taken from those two spereatly to make this book.. well plagerized. Many believe that the latter is the real source for the book's content, but neither books actually mention Jews, something that is, well amazing.
It is like reading Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin or Dialogues Between Hitler and Me by Eckart, both have a very specific intent and both don’t hide it.
Oh yea number 12, that goes there with 13 and 17.
As a matter of fact, you have yet to prove there is a ‘Kosher’ tax.
You would not believe where my education came from if I told you anyway.
What I am trying to do is to show you how stupid this stuff all sounds and how little is actually factual.
Well that’s convenient, they were not in control of the media when he was elected? Yea.
Oh I remember something being written in the 40’s that there was a complete dominance of the media by the Jews at that time – here is the US. The Germans made the same comment in the 20’s and early 30’s. Why can’t you see this as a repeat?
Well that’s not just my opinion, that’s an opinion of a lot of people, and some of his staff quit over the ‘content’ of the book, some calling it a fallacy while others say that it was too much to include false unconfirmed references. I read the book twice, I gave it away. I am glad I didn’t pay for it, it was really pro-arab, surprising that we didn’t have a 9/11 type attack in the 80’s.
Get real with his energy policy; he had nothing – what wear a sweater? Come on, your better than that.
Well belittling people by calling them sheeple is well belittling, right?
Heheheh. OK let’s think about this for a moment…..ok ready….
The book, which has gone through a number of versions and titles is really titled “Протоколы сионских мудрецов” or “Protocols of the Zionist wise men”. It was written by a Russian and there are theories that it really was written by some of the Orthodox Church member who just learned how to write while others think that it was just written as a joke and hence is the reason it was published privately for the first edition. In 1905, Sergei Nilus took the book and published it for the public. The Imperial Government promoted the book as a counter measure tool against the revolutionary faction within Russia that was trying to gain a foot hold in Russia and get the people on their side (remember propaganda).
The idea was that socialism is actually a Jewish thing, hence if you want to support revolution, then you are supporting a Jewish cause. Hilter and others believed that, as did Ford here and tried to fool people in thinking that their problems (even Ford) were all because of some high Jewish conspiracy.
The amazing thing is that is you compare this book to two other books, “Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu” by Joly and "Biarritz” by Goedsche, there is too much that seems taken from those two spereatly to make this book.. well plagerized. Many believe that the latter is the real source for the book's content, but neither books actually mention Jews, something that is, well amazing.
It is like reading Bolshevism from Moses to Lenin or Dialogues Between Hitler and Me by Eckart, both have a very specific intent and both don’t hide it.
Oh yea number 12, that goes there with 13 and 17.
As a matter of fact, you have yet to prove there is a ‘Kosher’ tax.
You would not believe where my education came from if I told you anyway.