Zionism as Racist Ideology

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
moose,
Perhaps it is best to explain that the word GOY is a shortened version of the hebrew word goyum for - Non Jewish, and not an insult.
Oh ... it isn't the real words I'm having trouble with ...

It's the seemingly made up words like stribe that are giving me fits ...

I'm of the sense that English may be a second language for Moose ... so I do mostly try to cut him a little slack and decode the phonetic spellings ...

In the matter of Yiddish or Hebrew, it usually isn't too much of problem ... as I'm not entirely unfamiliar with either ...
 
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RLENT

Veteran Expediter
you see, that's why i called them uneducated. not because they do not know, but because they chosen to ignore everything Zionism. and ONLY presented Zionism from the Palestinians perspective, ignoring 5,800 years of Jewish traditions. it is that tradition that is the base of the Zionism ideology.
Well, then your labeling of them as "uneducated" is highly inaccurate ... and actually a dishonest smear ...

In fact, if it is your position that they are not uneducated, and are indeed informed on the subject of Zionism, then it stands to reason that the authors, having examined the plight of the Palestinians and the actions of the Zionist Occupier State in creating that very plight, have come to the conclusion that in terms of universal human rights, international humanitarian law, fairness, and justice, the case for Zionism as a mitigating factor in justifying Israel's (and it's founders) ethnicide either is wanting ... or just entirely without merit.

BTW - I don't know that they presented Zionism only from the Palestinian perspective ...

Zionism effect on the none Jewish population of the world is simply a none issue from a true Zionism perspective.
before you crossfire me on this last statement, please read along it will be explained.
one cannot be Zionist if one is a none Jew.
I disagree:

Christian Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course, that depends on how one sees or defines Zionism - and there are certainly many "flavors" of Zionism - Cultural Zionism, Labor Zionism, Liberal Zionism, Nationalist Zionism, Religious Zionism, Green Zionism, Neo-Zionism, and Post-Zionism - and of course, as I linked above, Christian Zionism ...

Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

My concerns are largely focused on a particularly virulent strain of Zionism, certainly present to a great extent in Israel, and to some lesser extent, the United States ...

There is nothing wrong with having pride in one's race, religion, country or nation - however, rabid racialism, religiosity, or nationalism is a poisonous cancer that has a tendency to delude otherwise normal folks down to the level of being savages ...

And that happens to true regardless of what particular nation or people are involved ...

In the case of Israel, all one has to do is go to a few of the more right-wing Israeli publications and read what is said in the comments sections (some pretty vile, disgusting stuff) ... or even some of the articles ...

a none Jew cannot becomes a Jew by simply choosing to do so.
I suppose it depends in what context you are making the statement: ie. religious, ethnic, racial, or what have you.

Certainly no one can change their ethnicity or race at will ... ... but a non-Jew can convert to Judaism .... just as a Jew can convert to another religion. I assume you are familiar with the story of Ruth in the Bible:

Ruth, the Mother of all Converts

Then of course there is the case of the Khazars:

Khazars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the flipside of the coin I have several acquaintances who are (were ?) Jewish ... but have converted to Christianity ...

I also have a Jewish friend whose (Jewish) brother converted to Sikhism ...

Of course, the whole matter of who actually is a Jew seems very much open to question - even among Jews themselves:

Who is a Jew? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the Jewish religion have no recruiting aspect build into it. and there are no missionary.
This, in my mind, is a thing for which Judaism is to be greatly admired ...
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
No racism in Israel ?

Israeli soccer club's fans object to Muslim players

By Ori Lewis

JERUSALEM (Reuters) -- An Israeli soccer club notorious for the anti-Arab chants of its fans plans to recruit two Muslim players, fueling protests in the stands that a senior cabinet minister condemned as shocking and racist.


At a Premier League game on Saturday, Beitar Jerusalem supporters held a banner reading "Beitar will always remain pure". Other signs hoisted by fans also protested against its owner's intention to have two Muslim Chechen players join.


The Beitar club is a bastion of Israel's political right-wing and the only leading soccer team in the country never to have signed an Arab player because of fan pressure.


A Muslim player, Nigerian defender Ibrahim Nadalla, was on the team briefly in 2005 but left after experiencing consistent hostility from its supporters.

Entire article at link below:

Israeli soccer club's fans object to Muslim players | Maan News Agency
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
Oh ... it isn't the real words I'm having trouble with ...
Ragman is correct, it was MY BAD, sorry, i did not think about it that way when i wrote it.

It's the seemingly made up words like stribe that are giving me fits ...
sorry again but i tried very hard to find the correct word, but Google and the auto-corrects refuses to help, i know there is a similar word that will fit in...help!

I'm of the sense that English may be a second language for Moose ... so I do mostly try to cut him a little slack and decode the phonetic spellings ...
Thanks!, English was the language we spoke @ home, and in school & with family when i visited NYC for the summers, or when they can to Israel. i used to speak very well, but did had about 14 years in between almost never speaking English. same goe's BTW for Arabic, Aramaic, and Yiddish.

In the matter of Yiddish or Hebrew, it usually isn't too much of problem ... as I'm not entirely unfamiliar with either ...
i will take some time answering SOME of your concerns, but since you probably notice, and everyone of this site that had the pleasure of meeting me in person will testified, am simply not an argumentative kind of guy. it's boring. almost like politics, VERY little interest.
{maybe if they find a way to make a Diesel motor a hot political topic...}
you gut me big time when it comes to that talents.
doesn't makes you any more correct, but you do seams to enjoy the soapbox more.
i don't and never did.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter

as you probably know by now, {old news in Israel} the soccer team have been criminalized with racism for what the did. they have been fined, the next 5 home games will be without fans, and they can expect to face the justice courts.
there is a law in Israel, and they are going to be held accountable for that.
i never went to a soccer game in Israel. the crowd is normally to violent for my taste. they are inspired greatly by the European fans, can't stand it. sorry, soccer fans and teams are something i will never understands.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
There are some long reads here. Many, including me will need a few cups of coffee and a tutor of some kind. Lots of info.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
As I see it, the demographic problem stems largely from the fact that Israel's actions on the ground are foreclosing any possibility of peace and a workable two-state solution.
to my understanding, the 2 state solution, is the preferred one by both diplomats, politicians, and the general public. it is certainly MY preferred option.
i have yet to see the Palestinians, or Arab nations agreed to that.
we came close in Oslo, but not close enough.
actually it's a 3 state solutions. since "Pillar of Cloud" Gaza becomes a part of Egypt real fast...i say let'em have it!

If there is not a two-state solution, then there will likely be a one-state solution - the prospect of which does not bode well for the continued existence of Israel as a "Jewish Nation" ... given that a single state solution would necessarily incorporate all the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories ... to say nothing of those who claim a Right of Return ...
{lets try this color} a one state solution will never happen.sorry.
i rather call it "Yehodah & Shomron" if you don't mind. i donot see ANY Occupation going on.
i see a depute that needs to be solved

Unless of course you just figure that you can ethnically-cleanse the land and kick them all out ... seems like that's been the general plan this far ...
well it was,for a short time, by a few...very few...never a Gov. propose option. only the Cneset outlaw "Cach"(the political party that supported deportation)
the Cneset did so, because it is against the law.
later on a murder took place in Brooklyn, N.Y., that's just about shut the door on this option.
and another murder of an Israeli tourism minister ,
Rehavam Ze'evi, took place in Jerusalem.
but i do think, that some territorials & populations exchanges will take place in future agreement.
Israel did it before, and will do it again.
it will be interesting to see if the other side will be as committed to peace.
that's it for now...
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
as you probably know by now,
Nope ... it's new news to me ...

{old news in Israel}
Apparently not all that old - given that the incident in question just occurred this past Saturday ...

the soccer team have been criminalized with racism for what the did.
The article I linked had to do largely with the behavior of fans ... although the following statement of Beitar Jerusalem Coach Cohen in regards to matter is deplorable:

“There’s a difference between a Muslim from Europe and a Muslim from Israel,”

I'm sure had Coach Cohen been inclined to elaborate on his statement above it would have been quite illuminating ...

The team's owner is to be admired, however for taking this stand:

“The two players from Chechnya are coming to Beitar. As far as I’m concerned, there is no difference between a Jewish player and a Muslim player,” Gaydamak told Ynet in an interview.

The larger point though is that Beitar Jerusalem is associated with the right-wing ... and the incident is reflective of at least some in that camp ...

i never went to a soccer game in Israel. the crowd is normally to violent for my taste. they are inspired greatly by the European fans, can't stand it. sorry, soccer fans and teams are something i will never understands.
It ain't my cup of tea either ...
 

Ragman

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Raider,

Should we ever meet, the coffee will be on me ...

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RLENT

Veteran Expediter
{lets try this color} a one state solution will never happen.sorry.
You have no need to apologize to me for your view in this matter.

After all it is the fate of your country (adopted or native) that hangs in the balance ... not mine ...

i rather call it "Yehodah & Shomron" if you don't mind.
I don't mind at all - you can call it whatever you'd like ...

Good luck getting everyone elses' agreement on it though ...

i do not see ANY Occupation going on.
Of course you don't ... and that right there is a huge part of the problem
...

Man's inability to get along with others stems largely from his inability - or just his unwillingness - to see things from anyone else's point of view but his own ...

well it was,for a short time, by a few ... very few ... never a Gov. propose option.
I think we all understand how the "wink, wink - nudge, nudge" thing works ... I know I certainly do ...

The opposition (Palestinians, Arabs) generally do not believe that the State of Israel is seriously interested in or sincere about resolving the conflict in a just and fair manner ... but only interested in delaying things until "facts on the ground" (ie. settlements) make it impossible for the Palestinians to have a state of their own.

I'm inclined to believe that they are not entirely incorrect in their conclusions.

In this I am not alone - a great many Jews believe it as well.

only the Cneset outlaw "Cach" (the political party that supported deportation) the Cneset did so, because it is against the law.
Meir Kahane (the founder of Kach) is a very good example of what can happen when demented, insane, extremist thinking (racial, religious, or national) takes hold of men's minds ...

Kahane was a man who once proposed "emergency Jewish mass-immigration to Israel due to the imminent threat of a "second Holocaust" in the United States" (arguably the safest country in the world for Jews) ... and was convicted of domestic terrorism in the United States (along with other members of the JDF) ... and later served in the Israeli Knesset.

The Kach party is very much alive and well ... if only in spirit, through it's offspring ... people such as Michael Ben-Ari ... a man who still considers himself to be a follower of Meir Kahane. This man (Ben Ari) is a member of the Israeli Knesset and folks can meet him in the video below.

WARNING: Although the speakers in the following video are not speaking English, the video is subtitled to English and contains some extremely vile and obscene language - very ugly stuff:


The demonstration being video filmed is a counter demonstration to a demonstration for peace and against Israel's most recent slaughter in Gaza ...

Anyone should ask themselves if these folks - who are calling for Gaza (and all people in it) to be wiped out and erased from the map (sound familiar ?) - sound like they are at all interested in "peace".

It's fairly easy to understand why Kach and it's offshoot Kahane Chai were considered terrorist organizations by Canada, the European Union, the United States ... and ultimately Israel itself ...

In Israel's case, to do anything else would have been politically untenable, in terms of world opinion and external relations.

From what I can gather, some of the thinking from mindset is what infects at least some portion of the radical settler movement, who are currently stealing the lands of Palestinians ... with Israeli government acquiescence.

Here's an example of one:

Baruch Marzel

This man, after finishing his stint in the IDF, was sent to the US by the Israeli military to do "public outreach".

In 2006 Marzel called on the Israeli military to conduct a targeted assassination of Uri Avnery, the leader of the Gush Shalom peace movement. This interestingly enough was in response to Avnery's comment's about the second murder you mention below:

"This came in reaction to Avneri earlier saying on Israeli radio station Kol Yisrael that the assassination of Israeli tourism minister Rehavam Ze'evi was a Palestinian "targeted killing," like the Israeli military's Targeted killing of Palestinian political leaders.

According to Gush Shalom the radio did not quote [Avneri's] next words: 'I am against all assassinations, both by Israelis and Palestinians.'"

later on a murder took place in Brooklyn, N.Y., that's just about shut the door on this option.
Shut the door ?

LOL ...

Yeah ... I don't think so ... like I said: the mindset is still quite alive (although I can't say that it was ever really well)

(One of things that most folks here in the US don't really understand is how far to the "Right" the Israeli "Left" is in many respects ... or how far Right the Israeli "Right" actually is)

and another murder of an Israeli tourism minister Rehavam Ze'evi, took place in Jerusalem.
He was more than just simply a tourism minister - he had served in the Palmach and was at one point in time a General in the IDF ...

So he wasn't just arranging trips for tourists to go sightseeing at the Holy Sites for his entire life ...

Apparently, his assassination was in revenge for the targeted assassination of Abu Ali Mustafa who was the Secretary-General of the PFLP (Popular Front For The Liberation Of Palestine) ...

... Tit for Tat ...

Any question about the ultimate result will be ?

but i do think, that some territorials & populations exchanges will take place in future agreement. Israel did it before, and will do it again.
I seriously do hope that Israeli and it's neighbors come to a just and fair solution to their conflicts.

it will be interesting to see if the other side will be as committed to peace
If the other side is "as committed to peace" as Israel is, and goes about seeking it in the same way, then for all eternity there shall be no peace ...

In closing let me just make it perfectly that the radical nut-jobs I have mentioned in this post are, in my opinion, by no means reflective of all - or even a majority of - Israelis or Jews ...

Nevertheless it will well worth understanding just how far Israel generally, as a country, leans to the right ...
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
You have no need to apologize to me for your view in this matter.

After all it is the fate of your country (adopted or native) that hangs in the balance ... not mine ...
Far as i concerned, I lived there for the last 5,880 years.been an American as well is just a top quality bonus.


I don't mind at all - you can call it whatever you'd like ...

Good luck getting everyone elses' agreement on it though ...
Israel will lead them into agreement.


Of course you don't ... and that right there is a huge part of the problem
Well, after decades of biased Arabic propaganda, it is an uphill battle,
...

Man's inability to get along with others stems largely from his inability - or just his unwillingness - to see things from anyone else's point of view but his own ...
Again, Zionism is not about what others say, but about what Jew's do. the return of Jew's into the land of Israel is an historic event in Jewish tradition. it's viewed from the outside world is almost irrelevant.


I think we all understand how the "wink, wink - nudge, nudge" thing works ... I know I certainly do
i don't. i do not understand this
...

The opposition (Palestinians, Arabs) generally do not believe that the State of Israel is seriously interested in or sincere about resolving the conflict in a just and fair manner ... but only interested in delaying things until "facts on the ground" (ie. settlements) make it impossible for the Palestinians to have a state of their own.
do not count ME in. i belive that many Israeli's, and definatlly most of it's politichans, see the 2 state's solutions as something that will happened soon after a sencier talk will began. Jewish presents in areas that other's claimed for themselves NEVER stood in the way of peace. and ALL of ISraeli's Prim Minnisters throut the years have repitedly commited to vecant land in return for secured peace.
israel did so before, and WILL do it agin, but you need 2 for a tango.

I'm inclined to believe that they are not entirely incorrect in their conclusions.
again, you fail to understand the Israeli political map.

In this I am not alone - a great many Jews believe it as well.
i do not belive that this is the case.


Yitchak Rabin(the founder of the Oslo agreement ) is a very good example of what can happen when demented, insane, extremist thinking (Bill Clinton) takes hold of men's minds ...


The Kach parsubtitled to English and contains some extremely vile and obscene language - very u







If the other side is "as committed to peace" as Israel is, and goes about seeking it in the same way, then for all eternity there shall be no peace ...
this is where WE dissagree. i see Israel as the MOST committed party, and very willing. i see America as THE most important peace negotiator. and, having personally delt with Palestinians many times, and actyally 'walked the walk' have a strong hope that this issu's can and will be resolved soon.
i do not see Zionism as standing in the way of peace, but as an ideology that can lead a world to a better place.

Nevertheless it will well worth understanding just how far Israel generally, as a country, leans to the right ...
UNDERSTANDING ???, this is YOUR opinion at best, and deffinattly not a fair or even correct understanding of Israeli's political map. and the place Zionism play into it.
as a country Israel is NOT far to the right AT ALL, did you even notice the exit polls last week ?
sorry got to go, load is ready now.
 

Maverick

Seasoned Expediter
Only had time to skim these long posts but would like to clarify one thing as a true Christian:

Nowhere in the Bible does it claim a group of people have the right to any land over there. And nowhere will you find in the writings of great men of God, PRIOR to 1948, who interpreted anything as such.

All the promises in the OT were fulfilled by Joshua while the pact with God and Jew ended with the coming of The Redeemer. The old promises were all conditional and were not kept by the Jewish nation. The new promise was Jesus Christ and we must be very careful in listening to these modernist who claim a "God's chosen people".

The only chosen people are those who believe on Christ as the Savior. The head of the serpent was crushed at Calvary, and the law replaced with grace. The new Jerusalem became The Church, and all of Israel (the church) shall be saved.

This little piece of land, and God's promise to a people, has been totally and inaccurately portrayed by all whom benefit.,,,,but it's not biblical. The Bible never conflicts, but words do have dual meanings in context, the NT Israel and Jerusalem being two of them. We must know when it's referring to the OT, or the New Jerusalem/Israel of the NT.
 
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moose

Veteran Expediter
The ‘Apartheid Israel’ lies.
Obviously that claim cannot be further from the truth.
In most of the western world and under International law, Apartheid reflects the the actions taken by the regime that used to rule in South Africa.
Apartheid has some very obvious caricatures.
Such as minority, or even majority of the population which denied access to many places in society.
They are restricted from voting, restricted from social services, confirmed to certain areas, not receiving same quality medical care, transportation restriction, and so on.
NONE of the above, nor many more caricatures of apartheid happened in Israel.
Where else in the Middle East dose it happened? Simple, in EVERY other country. Jordan, Egypt. Lebanon, Syria…you name it.
Yet for some rezone the Palatines lies are been told all around the world, all in the name of de-credit Israel….
Let’s see what DOSE take place in Israel,
Israeli minority, are the ONLY ones in the Middle East that enjoy true and free society. They use public transportation at will, enjoy social services, vote, pay and claim retirement benefits, have same indications papers as others, take active part in Israeli politics, even take part in the Israeli cabinet. There are many that took offices through -out the years. They can speak their mind in public; Israeli minority’s some time use the Israeli ‘cenesset’ to flat-out bully the very same state they are representing. And no one in Israel ever questions their right to speak their mind.
Arab Israeli’s also take an active part in the justice department, Israel is proud to be the home for some of the best Arab layers. Many of which are appointed judges. In fact it was an Arab Israeli judge that sentences the former Israeli, Jewish, President for prison time, just a short year ago.
Israel is also home for many Arab doctors. For some rezone the Arab traditions make then to be very good as care givers. In fact it was an Arab medical professor that saved, and stabilized the former Israeli prime-minister, as the prim-minister suffered a severe stroke. It was an Arab Israeli EMT inventor that came up with a device to stop severe blood lost; only 8 month before that device was used to simply save the life of Gabrielle Giffords,an Arizona Senator.
Anyone that visits ANY Israeli high education center will immediately notice many Arab students.
All of Israel citizen can, and are choosing where to build their houses, and they can all apply to do so at any part of the country, in fact many Israeli cities pride themselves for been home for many diverse parts of the Israeli population. No integrations needed, it comes naturally for everyone.
Every citizen of Israel can choose an occupation, and how to provide for its family. There’s no job restriction. Fact is many Israeli minorities’ serves as a vital part of Israel’s armed forces, many in the intelligent collecting agency. In fact the higher ever ranking Israeli officer to lose his life in the Gaza strip was not even Jew. Since Israel is the homeland of the Jewish peoples, none Jewish resident are exempt from serving in the military forces. That gives them a great advantage, us they are not required to sped 3 years or more protecting the same country that provide for all their needs. However many volunteer to do so. In fact many of the most talented Israeli soldiers are not even Jew. Some parts of the Israeli defense forces run sully by non-Jewish warriors. In fact some of the most crowded military graveyards happen to be in Israeli minority villages. The ones that volunteer to join the defense forces are doing so with great pride, and are role models for the entire platoon. When they gets home for a weekend rest they are been treated as the heads of the family’s. This is a great legacy.
All of Israel resident can and are using public transportation. No exceptions. Israel pride itself to have some of the most modern and efficient public transportations service worldwide. Those services reach every single part of the country; include places that are home for none Jewish population. In fact much of the transportation in Israel run very well uses professional Arab Israeli drivers. They are some of the best drivers to be found.
And the list goes on and on, there’s not even one apartheid character that take place in Israel.
So, how come the Palestinian get away with convincing the world of ‘apartheid Israel’?
Simply, they tell the world, that the Palestinians reserve the same rights from Israel as anyone else in the free world.
Problem is, since the Oslo agreement took place in 1993, the Palestinians choose to separate from the very state of Israel. Which vacant their claims.
Under the Oslo agreement, which is the law of the land in Israel, the Palestinian populations are governed under the, now very corrupted & bankrupted, Palestinian authority, In Zone A’s. they have control over their own destination, they have their own governmental institutes, they take care of their own building permits, provide for healthcare, retirements, city’s services, education, and even security needs. Yes they even have their own police, paid for by the Israeli, American and many other tax payers. Under the Oslo agreement Israel provide water, electricity, monitory needs, food, building materials, fuel, and so on.
When a Palestinian needs to go out of Zone A they are free to do so. Only one rule applies, again under the Oslo agreement: ‘don’t kill anyone before you come back’, should be a very simple rule to follow. Under the Oslo agreement Israel reserve the right to defend itself. And doing so by using a very effective chain of intelligent gathering, and check points. And you know what, it worked! Unlike the time leading to the Oslo agreement, in today world, it is very unlikely for a Palestinian to be able to go through a check point, reach the Israeli mainland and comets an act of terror. It dose happened from time to time, but for the most part, the above system works very well. Fact is, in places where recent history showed a lower risk, Israeli defense forces are limiting their present. This tactic came back to bite Israel in the behinds more than a few times, but the Israeli Gov. is very good in doing its best to ease the inconvenience over the Palestinian populations, whenever it can be done, without risking a blowouts bus or a loss of life. Israel is very careful to only restrict parts of the Palestinian populations that showed to have a higher risk on been involved in terrorist attacks.
But wait, Israel build this massive wall, all around, separating Israel mainland from the Palestinians villages. That must be an act of apartheid. Fact is, Israel was FOUCED to build that wall, and will take it down, as soon as it will not be needed to protect its citizens from terrorists. Before the assembly of that protection wall, more than 30,000 Israeli lost their life or was injured in terrorist attacks originated west of the wall. Fact is that wall work very well, since the building of that wall, not even one civilian life was lost. Not one. It worked perfect.
Under the Oslo agreement, there are Zone’s B’s. In which the Palestinians still control their own life, and Israel responsible for the security needs. In zone’s B Populations that showed great restraint, enjoy civil life to the best. In villages that showcased terrorist attacked, are subject to military presents. Like residents of zone A, zone B residents do not carry blue Israeli ID certificate. Rezone is, they are NOT Israeli’s. They carry an amber ID certificate. That allows them to enter Israel main land at will, subject to risk assessment by intelligent gathering. Kind of like, or actually EXCACTLY like, the ‘no fly list’ provided by the TSA.
There are also roads and other way of transportations, in which Palestinians are restricted from use. But by now we can all guess why. If they ever stop blowing busses up, or using specific HWY to target Israeli’s, or to execute terror, they will be allowed back in. some places restricted from using public transportation, well the song is the same, simply stop blowing those busses up, and you will be allowed, when it comes to the public transportation in Israel, Palestinians, and simply not a citizen of Israel, so no apartheid there. They simply don’t pay into the system.
And the list goes on and on, it’s actually have a very distinguish phase, every single time that the Palestinians are claiming apartheid, one can easily see how the apartheid effect originated in act taken by the Palestine authority’s. And is in their hand to make it disappear. All Israel will do, is protect its citizen from harm ways.
Fact is, that in all of the Middle East, Israel is the last place anyone can shut apartheid state. Israel takes great pride in providing one of the best democracy governed system mankind could ever come up with, and doing so for its entire resident’s.
 

Maverick

Seasoned Expediter
Moose....I do not know you personally, so I ask you not to take this personally?

The above claims sound very much like the propaganda released through the media, Fox, CNN, ABC etc? Do you know who OWNS these outlets? These people were aided by Great Britain, with the full cooperation of the United States, and inserted into a land they have no right to own.

They have broken near every rule of international law in running those people off the land in which they once enjoyed. I don't condone violence, but one has to admit.....it does beget violence in retaliation. The reason vehicles are bombed just might have something to do with that multi-million dollar tank which unleashed heck on Palestine the day before?

With all due respect sir....if that cool aid glass is only half gone, please consider setting it down for a moment? It matters little which side of the conflict you're on.....long as we see the picture as it is. I've listened to several who live there and can't wait to leave. It's kinda like DC to where the framed picture looks pretty nice, but a few blocks away it's a slum area.
 
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