What Islam Isn't

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chefdennis

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From time to time I have read a few post about the problems with muslums in our country. I have stayed away from this topic on this board fore the most part because I have VERY strong feelings about it and the problems that we are going to face from this group in the very near future, and the fact that i have been kicked off of more then 1 board for stating those feelings. I live in a city that is home to the 2nd largest islamic mosque in the USA. We have had more then a few of the leaders here in our city and we have had several federal trials for islamic terrorist in our federal courts. During the latest of these trails we had one of the most renowned islamic terror heads here and during one of his press conferences he stated that this area will be a "stepping off" (to paraphrase him) place for the coming "grand jihad" that is planned for the west.

Now I have read here that a few have the same type of feelings as I do and some have the idea that not all of them are bad, it is just the extremiest that are causing the problems and there are not ENOUGH of them to be an issue. Well maybe this article will shine a little more light on that last issue.

As for me, I am 100% certain there is no such thing as a moderate islamic muslum.

SCARY FACTS About ISLAM and What Islam Isn't

-Dr. Peter Hammond.
FrontPage Magazine

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a
complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military
components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other
components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country
to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies
agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the
other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in
any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a
peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is
the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities
and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails
and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to
their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for
the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby
securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase
pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves --
along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow
them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the
Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia
law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to
increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their
conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and
threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed
cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily,
particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad
militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror
attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of
non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming
Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law
as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some
State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these
nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such
as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic
House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because
everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and
the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states
the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy
their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was
me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my
family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe;
the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon
Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well
under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority
Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100%
Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national
police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national
courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such
situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large.
The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To
even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and
extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population.
But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus,
Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Some say Muslims will
exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

~Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book - "Slavery, Terrorism
and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat"

They are "breeders", and they will out breed us and gain the control they are looking for. you don't have to look any further then dearborn michigan and to a lesser extent st. louis Mo. to see ths in action!

The coming conflict with israel and iran and the us will provide a good enough reason for the muslum brotherhood to take to the streets here and start their"grand jihad." You can think what you want, but they are here and if you lok at the UK, you will see just what they have in store for the "infidels of the west!"
 

hondaking38

Veteran Expediter
excellent post, my sentiments exactly....will the united states wake up??? the answer is no, they never do...until its to late...but the average american for the time being just doesnt care for now,,,it doesnt effect there luxuries at this time....the average american has put 911 in the past, we have a tendency for forget things easily and go about our lifes as nothing happened, except those people it directly affected..
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Toledo?

Oh yea that Mosque outside of Perrysburg?

Well you don't sit next to the largest population outside of the middle east, I do and I got to tell you that you should come up to my neck of the woods some time.

The article misses a few things, one is that almost every western religion has gone through the same thing, from killing heretics to taking part in wars to 'breeding'. The problem today is on one hand we have a pretty tolerant society, we are open to all kinds of new things and accept a lot of cr*p but on the other hand we still fear things we don't understand, don't want to understand or can't understand, writing off passion and diligence in a religion as being an extremist. I think you can apply the same meaning that the article presents to the old pre-Vatican II worshiper who didn't eat meat on Friday, went to church twice a week and lived as the pope wanted them to live.

In my years growing up around the Arab population in the area, I have met only a hand full of people who were really what you call radical, all the others were not intolerant to other religions or people, even when they were offended. The new population however, especially from Russia have been the real hassle in the area. But you know something, we also have a large population of Serbians in the area and they have brought to our cities their clan wars which has caused us a lot of problems.

Halah in the super markets is actually a good thing, I suggest you learn about the processes and controls. In todays world, with chemicals and cr*p floating around, getting meat that is pure and actually safe to eat is important.

Now I do actually think the article has one thing wrong that I can quickly point out, the problems in Bosnia. They have been at war with each other for a few hundred years and it won't go away. The real problem is that the Muslims were not doing the killing, the serbs were.

The last thing is the UK is selling out to political correctness, not kowtowing to the Muslims like the French. See no one seems to talk about the other issues with the other peoples who live in the UK, like the Africans who also 'demand' things. The average brit may never concede this but it's strange that they can charge, jail and screw up a future of a British citizen school kid over the simple issue of applied racism due to the fact that the kid could not speak the language that was spoken in a group she was supposed to participate in and asked to be moved. This is political correctness and my friends if you don't like that example, don't vote for Obama.
 

theBeemer

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AMEN Greg334...If I didn't see Islam you could easily substitute jew or Christan in there. I met some radical Christains,,how about the preacher and his flock from Ks that stand outside veterans funerals and heckle the family because GOOOOOOOOD is killing them because homosexual and all ..says in this book here.
Then look at jews today..read about the orthodox jews are just as disgusted with the zionist jews that Americans should be.
If our news media was controlled by say Islam not jew I can bet we would have a different outlook on them. 95 percent of our media is owned by 6 zionist jewish families. Is it any wonder Americans think that Islam is so bad?
Good scam though,,you got people who won't,can't refuse to see the whole picture out all and nonsense. The Preachers in their suits and fancy suvs telling the flock it says here we can not question or say anything about GOOOOOOAADS chosen people....They don't any better then while the Preacher is quoting this his back pocket is getting stuffed with cash to keep it up.
No you can't say one is bad while claiming others are so better.
Funny I never see any ISLAM people plastered all over the front papers even in the jewish owned ones that are perverts, rapist,thieves, just all around degenerates....I have seen plenty of Priest, Preachers, and of course the Rabbi's get a one way ticket to isreal without fear of extraditing.
Its fun playing the devils advocate..You should read my next one.
 

theBeemer

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To make things semi fair...I respect your opinion chef..I also respect Benjamin Franklin and George Washington...The Founders of the the greatest country the earth has ever known that is being destroyed by special interest...... And yes I know in the bible it says we are suppose to be sub servant and die for Gods chosen..Except I don't,won't never will believe that.


George Washington & Benjamin Franklin on the Jews




Benjamin Franklin was already an elder statesman at the time of the American Revolution. And his years had certainly brought him wisdom, for he knew of the Jews' nature, and he had the courage to warn his fellows about them. Benjamin Franklin's warning to the Constitutional Convention in 1789 concerning the Jews has been called a marvel of prophecy. But, really, Franklin was only giving voice to an opinion, informed by his knowledge of the Jewish people. This prophecy was recorded by Charles Pinckney of Charleston, South Carolina, and the original notes of Mr. Pinckney are said to be held at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia.




"I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. The menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great numbers, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon which that nation is founded by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a state within a state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal.

"For over 1700 years the Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from their homeland, they call Palestine. But, Gentlemen, should the world today give it to them in fee simple, they would at once find some cogent reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race.

"If you do not exclude them from these United States, in this Constitution in less than 200 years they will have swarmed in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land, and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.

"If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them sustenance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you, Gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews for all time, your children will curse you in your graves. Jews, Gentlemen, are Asiatics; let them be born where they will, or how many generations they are away from Asia, they will never be otherwise. Their ideas do not conform to an American's, and will not even though they live among us ten generations. A leopard cannot change its spots.

"Jews are Asiatics, they are a menace to this country if permitted entrance and should be excluded by this Constitution."



And lest you think that Benjamin Franklin was alone in his opinions, read this:




"They [the Jews] work more effectively against us, than the enemy's armies. They are a hundred times more dangerous to our liberties and the great cause we are engaged in... It is much to be lamented that each state, long ago, has not hunted them down as pest to society and the greatest enemies we have to the happiness of America." —George Washington




So here is some of my opinions on jews..Are they ALL like Franklin said? No. But look around you and observe what has/is happening you can see he was quite a prophet. Are all Muslim like you said chef? No. I could slant this too to make it look likke all jews are.....With every one their is bad and good.
Their are plenty more quotes about them by famous thinkers..
 
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theBeemer

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To top it all off. I got a bag of Munchos a snack look on the bag and low and behold a little r with a circle around it

Thats right a kosher tax symbol..Why on earth would a snack/potato product be certified kosher? Let alone plastic bags, Saran wrap and chemicals.
So many things have kosher tax...Why not a Islam tax? Why not a Christian tax?
 

theBeemer

Not a Member
A Mexican wrote this about the LaKosher Nostra

The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
by

Ernesto Cienfuegos

La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan receives quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers and readers. Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our attention. Last week we receive an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance of the small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found printed on many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen products. The message gave us some clues and suggested that we do some research into the subject. What we found certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.

On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough, most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other similar markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers Coffee, the Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper container, the Trader Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic sandwich bags carton had the (U) or (K) mark on them.

We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies to asked some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher". We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher" but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their products.

What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to receive protection. This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of the products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and other similar markings.

Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the perpetrators of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually Rabbinical Councils that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other western countries as well. For example, the largest payola operation in the U.S. is run by those who license the (U) symbol. The (U) symbol provides protection for many products sold here in Aztlan and in the United States. This symbol is managed by the The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue in New York City.

The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda.

The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a boycott by every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food companies, succumb to the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish dominated media and a boycott that may eventually culminate in bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know that the cost can be passed on to the consumer anyway. The food companies have kept secret from the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the amount of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.

It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the "Kosher Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200 Rabbi agents that are spread through out the U.S. Food companies must first pay an exorbitant application fee and than a large annual fee for the use of the (U) copyright symbol. Secondly, the companies must pay separate fees each time a team of Rabbis shows up to "inspect" the company's operations. Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very lucrative salaries.

The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food companies to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is estimated to be in the billions since the scam first started. The Orthodox Jewish Councils as well as the food companies keep the amount of the fees very secret. The Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote about the problem many years ago, but they have stopped writing about it now.

Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will eventually help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public education of the scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of all products with the (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I certainly do not need to pay extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee" or "kosher plastic sandwich bags". In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay over the years for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax. Are there any bright attorneys out there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and other non-Jewish people?

Here is another point..Read then look up kosher foods


The Kosher Food Tax



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The Kosher Food Tax is the biggest consumer fraud existing in America. Examine every item in your cupboards for either the (U) or (K) labels. These symbols represent a Jewish "blessing" and when these small symbols are detected, it means that you have unwittingly paid a tax to a Jewish religious group. They will not always be on the front of the package; they may be hidden amid the small print near the label's seam. This cryptic code has to do with a Hebrew "secret," a heist, which illuminates the Jews' power in the United States. The circled "U," sometimes with the word "Parve," stands for Union of Orthodox Jews (UOJCA), the "K" stands for Kosher (KOV K). Both will not be found on the same package. These symbols mean that the product's producer paid the Jews a kind of "tax" to have some rabbi "bless" it. Don't confuse these letters with the letter "R" which stands for registered trade mark or a letter "C" which stands for copyright. These two letters will probably be there too. You have now discovered what the Jews call "hechsers," a rip-off code found on most grocery items. In 1959, the Wall Street Journal estimated that this massive Jewish payola at about $20 million. That is almost forty years ago. Since that time, the Jewish owned Wall Street Journal has remained silent. The rip-off is thought to be in the hundreds of millions today. The Jewish Post of July 30, 1976 reported that Rabbi Harvey Sentor admitted that Kov K was a "profit-making concern." The UOJCA extracts exactly the same levy as Kov K, and in exactly the same way. Jews, of course, defend these "blessings" in any way they can, but what this rip-off really boils down to for the Gentile is legalized extortion. After all, the Jews represent but 2.9% of the population. It is not an option for the Gentile to have this "tax" removed from products he buys or have the little Jewish letters erased. He has to pay this "tax" to the Jews whether he wants to or not. If this was nothing more than a bizarre religious ceremony, giving rabbinical approval to food and food products prepared in a specific way to meet an unusual diet, then why are steel wool and kitchen utensils also included? The Jews have a strange diet indeed! If these "blessings" are so important to Jews, why do they charge for them? You would think that they would be willing to give this service free--for benefit of their own people--and perhaps pay something to food product companies for providing this Kosher identification. Instead, it's the reverse-companies have to pay to have the Kosher identification. Since Jews represent a small percent of America's population, why is it that they place most of the burden of this "tax" on the shoulders of the Gentile? Why have the Gentile consumers been so silent for so long about this perennial extortion by the Jews? And since this burden comes off as a "tax," don't Gentiles have a right to know where and how this money is spent? How on earth do the Jews get away with this daylight robbery? The answer is that the Jewish blessing agencies wield enormous power through Jewish domination of the retail and distribution trades..and Jews own America's press. Non-compliance by a food producer would quickly bring about a Jewish boycott of the product. Bankruptcy! Here is how this clever scheme works. An Orthodox Rabbi will approach a company and warn the owners that unless their product is certified as Kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a boycott by every Jew in America. Once they succumb to this BLACKMAIL, they are required to keep the total amount paid the Rabbis every year a strict secret! The growth of this Kosher racket has been nothing less than phenomenal. In 1960, only 225 food products paid the Kosher tax. By 1966, this figure grew to 476 and jumped to 1000 by 1974. Today, a whopping 17,500 companies have been intimidated into paying this multi-level tax.

How The Kosher Tax Operates

The Union of Orthodox Rabbis which issues the (U) symbol controls 80% of the Kosher certification business. They employ some 300 Rabbis who travel nation-wide "inspecting" food processing plants. First, the company must pay an annual fee for the use of the copyright symbol--the (U) or (K) or a version thereof. Second, the company must pay a separate heavy fee each time a team of Rabbis shows up to "inspect" their plant (Certain meat packers are required to hire Rabbis full time at extravagant salaries). Third, the company must pay these fees over and over again for each different product they make. Thus, General Foods pays dozens of separate fees. Also, each sub-contracting company which provides any type of ingredient which goes into the finished product must also pay separate fees to the "visiting Rabbis". Sometimes a single product may eventually be taxed as many as a dozen times right down the line before it reaches you the consumer! Last, but not least, these fees must be paid annually and they are increased each year. Only by increasing the public awareness of the Kosher Food Tax and doing our best to refrain from purchasing products with the "K" or "U" symbols, can we begin to end this outrage being perpetrated upon our people. With the purchasing power of the dollar less all the time, we cannot afford this outrage to continue unchecked.
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Really if all Islam is like what is posted that means all jews are like this that is posted.....I don't disciminate I call out every one on nonsense
 
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chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
As said, I have been kicked off of more then a few boards for my views on islam and muslums, so i won't go into it here as I do enjoy this board enough to respect your opinions and I'll have mine, But, Simply put, when the jews or any other race, creed, or group of people want to convert or kill the infidels of the west (as the islamist refer to us here in the US) then they are on my list to eliminate also, just as the islamic muslums want to do with us.

Oh and I am in Dearborn on a weekly basis, I know exactly what os up there. And what should be "evaporated..."
 

theBeemer

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As said, I have been kicked off of more then a few boards for my views on Islam and Muslims, so i won't go into it here as I do enjoy this board enough to respect your opinions and I'll have mine, But, Simply put, when the Jews or any other race, creed, or group of people want to convert or kill the infidels of the west (as the Islams refer to us here in the US) then they are on my list to eliminate also, just as the Islamic Muslims want to do with us.

Oh and I am in Dearborn on a weekly basis, I know exactly what os up there. And what should be "evaporated..."

I agree with you to point..But why is it every one is so afraid to point out jewish atrocities. If you folks really want I can dig up links and facts to verify how they killed off at least 30 to 35 million Christians since 1914. And t us Goyum are just cattle to them anyway.. How many American and Iragi deaths have we got so far? For that isreal can have the oil fields that as we speak a pipeline is being built to and from with five American bases watching over it.....In Iraq Jordon and israel...
Religions in general are scams so a few can over lord the many
without questions being asked
 
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theBeemer

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This explains a little better what I was trying to say. If you read this subsitute Islam for jew..Then think of the impact Americans would have agaisnt jews. Remember these two are old enemies from way back. If you don't believe the media would coerse or lie to the public to get they want for isreal and such I got ocean front property in Utah for sale,,Cheap too.


Facts of Jewish Media Control
Electronic News & Entertainment Media



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The largest media conglomerate today is Walt Disney Company, whose chairman and CEO, Michael Eisner, is a Jew. The Disney Empire, headed by a man described by one media analyst as a "control freak", includes several television production companies (Walt Disney Television, Touchstone Television, Buena Vista Television), its own cable network with 14 million subscribers, and two video production companies. As for feature films, the Walt Disney Picture Group, headed by Joe Roth (also a Jew), includes Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, and Caravan Pictures. Disney also owns Miramax Films, run by the Weinstein brothers. When the Disney Company was run by the Gentile Disney family prior to its takeover by Eisner in 1984, it epitomized wholesome, family entertainment. While it still holds the rights to Snow White, under Eisner, the company has expanded into the production of graphic sex and violence. In addition, it has 225 affiliated stations in the United States and is part owner of several European TV companies. ABC's cable subsidiary, ESPN, is headed by president and CEO Steven Bornstein, a Jew. This corporation also has a controlling share of Lifetime Television and the Arts & Entertainment Network cable companies. ABC Radio Network owns eleven AM and ten FM stations, again in major cities such as New York, Washington, Los Angeles, and has over 3,400 affiliates. Although primarily a telecommunications company, Capital Cities/ABC earned over $1 billion in publishing in 1994. It owns seven daily newspapers, Fairchild Publications, Chilton Publications, and the Diversified Publishing Group. Time Warner, Inc, is the second of the international media leviathans. The chairman of the board and CEO, Gerald Levin, is a Jew. Time Warner's subsidiary HBO is the country's largest pay-TV cable network. Warner Music is by far the world's largest record company, with 50 labels, the biggest of which is Warner Brothers Records, headed by Danny Goldberg. Stuart Hersch is president of Warnervision, Warner Music's video production unit. Goldberg and Hersch are Jews. Warner Music was an early promoter of "gangsta rap." Through its involvement with Interscope Records, it helped popularize a genre whose graphic lyrics explicitly urge Blacks to commit acts of violence against Whites. In addition to cable and music, Time Warner is heavily involved in the production of feature films (Warner Brothers Studio) and publishing. Time Warner's publishing division (editor-in-chief Norman Pearlstine, a Jew) is the largest magazine publisher in the country (Time, Sports Illustrated, People, Fortune). When Ted Turner, a Gentile, made a bid to buy CBS in 1985, there was panic in media boardrooms across the nation. Turner made a fortune in advertising and then had built a successful cable-TV news network, CNN. Although Turner employed a number of Jews in key executive positions in CNN and had never taken public positions contrary to Jewish interests, he is a man with a large ego and a strong personality and was regarded by Chairman William Paley (real name Palinsky, a Jew) and the other Jews at CBS as uncontrollable: a loose cannon who might at some time in the future turn against them. Furthermore, Jewish newsman Daniel Schorr, who had worked for Turner, publicly charged that his former boss held a personal dislike for Jews. To block Turner's bid, CBS executives invited billionaire Jewish theater, hotel, insurance, and cigarette magnate Laurence Tisch to launch a "friendly" takeover of the company, and from 1986 till 1995 Tisch was the chairman and CEO of CBS, removing any threat of non-Jewish influence there. Subsequent efforts by Turner to acquire a major network have been obstructed by Levin's Time Warner, which owns nearly 20 percent of CBS stock and has veto power over major deals. Viacom, Inc, headed by Sumner Redstone (born Murray Rothstein), a Jew, is the third largest megamedia corporation in the country, with revenues of over $10 billion a year. Viacom, which produces and distributes TV programs for the three largest networks, owns 12 television stations and 12 radio stations. It produces feature films through Paramount Pictures, headed by Jewess Sherry Lansing. Its publishing division includes Prentice Hall, Simon & Schuster, and Pocket Books. It distributes videos through over 4,000 Blockbuster stores. Viacom's chief claim to fame, however, is as the world's largest provider of cable programming, through its Showtime, MTV, Nickelodeon, and other networks. Since 1989, MTV and Nickelodeon have acquired larger and larger shares of the younger television audience. With the top three, and by far the largest, media companies in the hand of Jews, it is difficult to believe that such an overwhelming degree of control came about without a deliberate, concerted effort on their part. What about the other big media companies? Number four on the list is Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, which owns Fox Television and 20th Century Fox Films. Murdoch is a Gentile, but Peter Chermin, who heads Murdoch's film studio and also oversees his TV production, is a Jew. Number five is the Japanese Sony Corporation, whose U.S. subsidiary, Sony Corporation of America, is run by Michael Schulhof, a Jew. Alan Levine, another Jew, heads the Sony Pictures division. Most of the television and movie production companies that are not owned by the largest corporations are also controlled by Jews. For example, New World Entertainment, proclaimed by one media analyst as "the premiere independent TV program producer in the United States," is owned by Ronald Perelman, a Jew. The best known of the smaller media companies, Dreamworks SKG, is a strictly kosher affair. Dream Works was formed in 1994 amid great media hype by recording industry mogul David Geffen, former Disney Pictures chairman Jeffrey Katzenberg, and film director Steven Spielberg, all three of whom are Jews. The company produces movies, animated films, television programs, and recorded music. Two other large production companies, MCA and Universal Pictures, are both owned by Seagram Company, Ltd. The president and CEO of Seagram, the liquor giant, is Edgar Bronfman Jr., who is also president of the World Jewish Congress. It is well known that Jews have controlled the production and distribution of films since the inception of the movie industry in the early decades of the 20th century. This is still the case today. Films produced by just the five largest motion picture companies mentioned above-Disney, Warner Brothers, Sony, Paramount (Viacom), and Universal (Seagram)-accounted for 74 per cent of the total box-office receipts for the first eight months of 1995. The big three in television network broadcasting used to be ABC, CBS, and NBC. With the consolidation of the media empires, these three are no longer independent entities. While they were independent, however, each was controlled by a Jew since its inception: ABC by Leonard Goldenson, CBS first by William Paley and then by Lawrence Tisch, and NBC first by David Sarnoff and then by his son Robert. Over periods of several decades, these networks were staffed from top to bottom with Jews, and the essential Jewishness of network television did not change when the networks were absorbed by other corporations. The Jewish presence in television news remains particularly strong. As noted, ABC is part of Eisner's Disney Company, and the executive producers of ABC's news programs are all Jews: Victor Neufeld (20-20), Bob Reichbloom (Good Morning America), and Rick Kaplan (World News Tonight). CBS was recently purchased by Westinghouse Electric Corporation. Nevertheless, the man appointed by Lawrence Tisch, Eric Ober, remains president of CBS News, and Ober is a Jew. At NBC, now owned by General Electric, NBC News president Andrew Lack is a Jew, as are executive producers Jeff Zucker (Today), Jeff Gralnick (NBC Nightly News), and Neal Shapiro (Dateline). The Print Media After television news, daily newspapers are the most influential information medium in America. Sixty million of them are sold (and presumably read) each day. These millions are divided among some 1,500 different publications. One might conclude that the sheer number of different newspapers across America would provide a safeguard against Jewish control and distortion. However, this is not the case. There is less independence, less competition, and much less representation of our interests than a casual observer would think. The days when most cities and even towns had several independently owned newspapers published by local people with close ties to the community are gone. Today, most "local" newspapers are owned by a rather small number of large companies controlled by executives who live and work hundreds or ever thousands of miles away. The fact is that only about 25 per cent of the country's 1,500 papers are independently owned; the rest belong to multi-newspaper chains. Only a handful are large enough to maintain independent reporting staffs outside their own communities; the rest depend on these few for all of their national and international news. The Newhouse empire of Jewish brothers Samuel and Donald Newhouse provides an example of more than the lack of real competition among America's daily newspapers: it also illustrates the insatiable appetite Jews have shown for all the organs of opinion control on which they could fasten their grip. The Newhouses own 26 daily newspapers, including several large and important ones, such as the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Newark Star-Ledger, and the New Orleans Times-Picayune; the nation's largest trade book publishing conglomerate, Random House, with all its subsidiaries; Newhouse Broadcasting, consisting of 12 television broadcasting stations and 87 cable-TV systems, including some of the country's largest cable networks; the Sunday supplement Parade, with a circulation of more than 22 million copies per week; some two dozen major magazines, including the New Yorker, Vogue, Madmoiselle, Glamour, Vanity Fair, Bride's, Gentlemen's Quarterly, Self, House & Garden, and all the other magazines of the wholly owned Conde Nast group. This Jewish media empire was founded by the late Samuel Newhouse, an immigrant from Russia. The gobbling up of so many newspapers by the Newhouse family was in large degree made possible by the fact that newspapers are not supported by their subscribers, but by their advertisers. It is advertising revenue--not the small change collected from a newspaper's readers--that largely pays the editor's salary and yields the owner's profit. Whenever the large advertisers in a city choose to favor one newspaper over another with their business, the favored newspaper will flourish while its competitor dies. Since the beginning of the 20th century, when Jewish mercantile power in America became a dominant economic force, there has been a steady rise in the number of American newspapers in Jewish hands, accompanied by a steady decline in the number of competing Gentile newspapers--primarily as a result of selective advertising policies by Jewish merchants. Furthermore, even those newspapers still under Gentile ownership and management are so thoroughly dependent upon Jewish advertising revenue that their editorial and news reporting policies are largely constrained by Jewish likes and dislikes. It holds true in the newspaper business as elsewhere that he who pays the piper calls the tune.

Three Jewish Newspapers

The suppression of competition and the establishment of local monopolies on the dissemination of news and opinion have characterized the rise of Jewish control over America's newspapers. The resulting ability of the Jews to use the press as an unopposed instrument of Jewish policy could hardly be better illustrated than by the examples of the nation's three most prestigious and influential newspapers: the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. These three, dominating America's financial and political capitals, are the newspapers which set the trends and the guidelines for nearly all the others. They are the ones which decide what is news and what isn't, at the national and international levels. They originate the news; the others merely copy it, and all three newspapers are in Jewish hands. The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896 from Jones's estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His great-grandson, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper's current publisher and CEO. The executive editor is Max Frankel, and the managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld. Both of the latter are also Jews. The Sulzberger family also owns, through the New York Times Co., 33 other newspapers, including the Boston Globe; twelve magazines, including McCall's and Family Circle with circulations of more than 5 million each; seven radio and TV broadcasting stations; a cable-TV system; and three book publishing companies. The New York Times News Service transmits news stories, features, and photographs from the New York Times by wire to 506 other newspapers, news agencies, and magazines. Of similar national importance is the Washington Post, which, by establishing its "leaks" throughout government agencies in Washington, has an inside track on news involving the Federal government. The Washington Post, like the New York Times, had a non-Jewish origin. It was established in 1877 by Stilson Hutchins, purchased from him in 1905 by John McLean, and later inherited by Edward McLean. In June 1933, however, at the height of the Great Depression, the newspaper was forced into bankruptcy. It was purchased at a bankruptcy auction by Eugene Meyer, a Jewish financier. The Washington Post is now run by Katherine Meyer Graham, Eugene Meyer's daughter. She is the principal stockholder and the board chairman of the Washington Post Co. In 1979, she appointed her son Donald publisher of the paper. He now also holds the posts of president and CEO of the Washington Post Co. The Washington Post Co. has a number of other media holdings in newspapers, television, and magazines, most notably the nation's number-two weekly newsmagazine, Newsweek. The Wall Street Journal, which sells 1.8 million copies each weekday, is the nation's largest-circulation daily newspaper. It is owned by Dow Jones & Company, Inc., a New York corporation which also publishes 24 other daily newspapers and the weekly financial tabloid Barron's, among other things. The chairman and CEO of Dow Jones is Peter Kann, who is a Jew. Kann also holds the posts of chairman and publisher of the Wall Street Journal. Most of New York's other major newspapers are in no better hands than the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. The New York Daily News is owned by Jewish real-estate developer Mortimer B. Zuckerman. The Village Voice is the personal property of Leonard Stern, the billionaire Jewish owner of the Hartz Mountain pet supply firm.

Other Mass Media

The story is pretty much the same for other media as it is for television, radio, and newspapers. Consider, for example, newsmagazines. There are only three of any note published in the United States: Time, Newsweek, and U.S. News and World Report. Time, with a weekly circulation of 4.1 million, is published by a susidiary of Time Warner Communications. The CEO of Time Warner Communications, as mentioned above, is Gerald Levin, a Jew. Newsweek, as mentioned above, is published by the Washington Post Company, under the Jewess Katherine Meyer Graham. Its weekly circulation is 3.2 million. U.S. News & World Report, with a weekly circulation of 2.3 million, is owned and published by Mortimer Zuckerman, a Jew. Zuckerman also owns the Atlantic Monthly and New York's tabloid newspaper, the Daily News, which is the sixth-largest paper in the country. Among the giant book-publishing conglomerates, the situation is also Jewish. Three of the six largest book publishers in the U.S., according to Publisher's Weekly, are owned or controlled by Jews. The three are first-place Random House (with its many subsidiaries, including Crown Publishing Group), third-place Simon & Schuster, and sixth-place Time Warner Trade Group (including Warner Books and Little, Brown). Another publisher of special significance is Western Publishing. Although it ranks only 13th in size among all U.S. publishers, it ranks first among publishers of children's books, with more than 50 percent of the market. Its chairman and CEO is Richard Snyder, a Jew, who just replaced Richard Bernstein, also a Jew.

The Effect of Jewish Control of the Media

These are the facts of Jewish media control in America. Anyone willing to spend several hours in a large library can verify their accuracy. I hope that these facts are disturbing to you, to say the least. Should any minority be allowed to wield such awesome power? Certainly, not and allowing a people with beliefs such as expressed in the Talmud, to determine what we get to read or watch in effect gives this small minority the power to mold our minds to suit their own Talmudic interests, interests which as we have demonstrated are diametrically opposed to the interests of our people. By permitting the Jews to control our news and entertainment media, we are doing more than merely giving them a decisive influence on our political system and virtual control of our government; we also are giving them control of the minds and souls of our children, whose attitudes and ideas are shaped more by Jewish television and Jewish films than by their parents, their schools, or any other influence.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Beemer, you are missing my point, I don't care what the jews have done to anyone before i was here or that they do control alot of what goes on in our country. There are back door killings in all nations by jew, americans, muslums, mexicans, russians, you name it they are killing behind the door, and that doesn't include the wars. But the jews don't want to kill me and you, yet! And when they do, that they can join the list f thse that need t be eliminated. But The muslums are doing it NOW. Yea all nations (races and religions) are killing each other they always have and always will, I am just waiting out the time that the muslums take ti our streets and then they can be eliminated, all of them, completely.

You want some good reading, go here to this link:

Prophet of Doom - Islamic Terrorism Timeline - Introduction - Islamic Terrorism Timeline

Muhammad started islam in the 7th century and he also started the terrorism then also.

When you go to that link, make sure you read the total article includig the 1000 page timeline, I have...

Here is a quote from the text of the article at the above link:

It's interesting to note that for the first 3,100 years of recorded history, from 2,500 BCE to 600 CE, there isn't a single documented case to be found anywhere in the world of Arabs leaving Arabia to conquer or plunder any country. Surrounded by warring nations, the Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, and later by the Persians, Greeks, and Roman Byzantines, the Arabs had a record as peaceful as any race in human history. But then Muhammad invented Islam in the seventh century and for the next one hundred years, Arabs, now Muslims, became the world's most savage barbarians. After depriving their own people of freedom and prosperity they plundered the world from India to Spain of theirs.

Islam is nothing new, nothing that we don't understand or don't want to understand. It is terrorism plane and simple, and it eeds to be eliminated.
 
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iceroadtrucker

Veteran Expediter
Driver
My opinion is they arent any better than the ones that choose to run from the service get my drift.

My opinion my thoughts on what ive seen how the women are treated they treat their women like dogs and beat them.

Now Im trying my best to be a gentleman on this.


any one else???????????

Now Wake up America vote Mcain and give me my wish one more time.
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
You both seem to fall for this propaganda.

Sorry I am laughing at all of this.

Let me explain it a bit differently.

Chef there has a legitimate but partial incorrect concern. You are looking without putting things in true context, like no one is really speaking up about these issues when they are brought up because of fear. Most of us are afraid to be confrontational on these issues because of the people who are walking all over us. So we deserve the foot baths, the call for pray and the abuse of our 501 laws.

Like I said, almost all western religions all did the same thing at one time or another. I remember something about some guy named Pope Lucius III giving papal bull Ad Abolendam (sp?) which started about 600 years of something that was called the Inquisition (starting with the Medieval Inquisition and ending with the Roman Inquisition). Let's see, they oust the Moors in Spain and killed how many doing that?

I would seriously suggest that you seek out knowledge and maybe a couple Muslims who are open to explain things to you, not just believe everything you read. It matters to use your intelligence to seek out the truth, you may find a lot of ways to cease your worry.

On the other hand, you beemer are siding with Chef when you should be fighting his comments. See the real truth is if you trace back this Zionist stuff that is being thrown out there, a lot of it comes from people who side with the Hamas and Hezbollah and others who have been fighting the Jews since the late teens. These are the people who are p*ssed off at King Faisal for his support of Jews in Palestine and even furtherback to Ottoman Sultan Abd-ul-Hamid for his support of the WZO. Parallel to this, a lot more propaganda was created in the teens by the Austrians and Germans based on number of warped ideals that also was the basis for the Nazi's eugenics, all of those who were trying to put blame on economic failings of the times and the loses of the war.

When you learn about propaganda, especially black propaganda, things seem a bit clearer. Go learn.
 

aristotle

Veteran Expediter
WHOA Nellie !!! I misunderstood how this thread would unravel into race-baiting gibberish. I wish to disassociate myself with any anti-Semitic comments on this forum. Good grief.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
WHOA Nellie !!! I misunderstood how this thread would unravel into race-baiting gibberish. I wish to disassociate myself with any anti-Semitic comments on this forum. Good grief.

I didn't misunderstand, I get tired of the same old cr*p that shows any intolerance to any group. Blanket statements of about any group shows a lack of knowledge and in some cases a desperation to find one's self in the world.

The truth is far from what Beeeemerr posted. Chef is close to a point, there is more to the complex religion than what could ever be posted.


Just wondering.....beeeemer = a another EO member?
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
There s no anti-Semitism on my part, until the jews decide that they need convert or wipe the US and its citizens (the infidels of the west) off the face of the earth as the islamic muslums have stated, put into motion and are working at daily. When that happens Then they (the jews) will also be on the list to eliminate.

As to gregs statement :

I get tired of the same old cr*p that shows any intolerance to any group. Blanket statements of about any group shows a lack of knowledge and in some cases a desperation to find one's self in the world.

You are totally missing my "statement" .and I found myself long along ago in a far eastern rice field, so don't try and tell me that i am "depserate to find anything. There are NO moderates , you are islamic for life and a terrorist, you don't leave islam without paying the price with your life.

You can befriend any muslum you want, me I'd rather see them all dead, a genocide of sorts. My reactions, beliefs and emotios and actions don't come strictly from "reading" , and certainly all that is written about islam is "propaganda............" Rightttt! I have had plenty of interaction with muslums and I have no need to "meet" and talk with any of them.

Oh and for what it is worth, you add MS 13 and laraza to and a few other illegal "invaders" to the groups that I have on tolerance for also. And don't give me the crap that their being here isn't llegal.........

When or if this country wakes up, we will need to "take the garbage out", and let it rot in the streets on the curb where it drops from the removal process..... I hope thats clear enough and that you can see my "same old crap that shows intolerance" of any group... Eliminate them .....
 
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dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
OK. Everybody stop and inhale deeply.

Actually, 10 inhalations and exhalations.

It seems to me that God, who spoke this universe into existence, really doesn't need our help to decide its fate.

Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

There you go! His promise to us. God will work it out; whether we comprehend it or not.

In the interest of allowing all who have posted to reflect on their statements...let us stop here for a moment.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
There s no anti-Semitism on my part, until the jews decide that they need convert or wipe the US and its citizens (the infidels of the west) off the face of the earth as the islamic muslums have stated, put into motion and are working at daily. When that happens Then they (the jews) will also be on the list to eliminate.


True, there isn’t.

You are totally missing my "statement" .and I found myself long along ago in a far eastern rice field, so don't try and tell me that i am "depserate to find anything. There are NO moderates , you are islamic for life and a terrorist, you don't leave islam without paying the price with your life.

No I’m not, I got what you are saying but you are dumping all kinds of people into the same box and saying they are all the same, no doubt. If there are no moderates, where is the proof of that? It shows making a blanket statement that you don’t know what you are talking about.

You can befriend any muslum you want, me I'd rather see them all dead, a genocide of sorts. My reactions, beliefs and emotios and actions don't come strictly from "reading" , and certainly all that is written about islam is "propaganda............" Rightttt! I have had plenty of interaction with muslums and I have no need to "meet" and talk with any of them.

I do think you do need to expand your horizons a bit. This is the same attitude that I saw when I was overseas by people who were killing their fellow citizens based on their religion or social station. Sorry it is propaganda because it is blanketing groups by association and not looking at specifics within the groups or trying to understand the differences. It is the same type of propaganda that was used in Europe during the first part of the 20th century, all black propaganda with no real foundation without specifics.

Oh and for what it is worth, you add MS 13 and laraza to and a few other illegal "invaders" to the groups that I have on tolerance for also. And don't give me the crap that their being here isn't llegal.........

Amazing, let’s see….. La Raza is a pro-invader organization that is established and listened to by the politicians. MS13 is a gang, some have supporting proof that the Mexican government helps them while they are creating problems. You do know that we also have slavery going on with the open border? What’ch you think about slavery? Is it more important to get rid of that too?

AND I will give you this crap…. I believe that the people who invade my country are here illegally and do not deserve anything other than a safe passage home. With that said, we as a country have built the Panama Canal, the Lincoln Highway, the Hoover Dam and a number of other great accomplishments which had nothing to do with national security, but we can’t build a border fence to protect us? I am one who believes that we need on the entire border from Texas to the shores of the Pacific Ocean a real border. Take one half mile from the border to the interior of the US, dig a 300 foot wide 100 foot deep trench with a 50 foot high wall on the Mexican side, a road next to the wall with bridges every quarter mile crossing the trench and another road running along the other side with guard towers every quarter mile, a 20 foot high fence and shoot to kill orders. Oh I forgot with a 200 foot deep 5 foot wide concrete barrier to prevent any tunneling. This will stop all that want to come here and we can actually build it. This is a real solution and doable.

When or if this country wakes up, we will need to "take the garbage out", and let it rot in the streets on the curb where it drops from the removal process..... I hope thats clear enough and that you can see my "same old crap that shows intolerance" of any group... Eliminate them .....

Well Dennis, the real issue is we can’t wake up the braindead. It starts with getting rid of the idea that everyone is bad and using some intelligence about the matter. The schools, public schools have dumb down our kids and unless there is a need to vote for American Idol, no one cares. IT also starts with getting rid of this idea that we the US need to worry about what other countries think about us, we don’t and we are not the only arrogant country in the world, just the one who is picked on.

But until you and a lot of others start seeing the differences between one Muslim and another, we can’t wake up.
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
All kinds of convolutions have affected most all religions over the course of history, and this is probably a good reason to take several classes in "History of Religion" the next time any of us are in college. However, our problems with the Muslims are present-day challenges. First of all, there are basic principles of this religion that are incompatible with a democratic society and our form of government. Secondly, the radicals or Islamo-fascists that are supposedly the source of all our terrorist problems are being passively aided and abetted by the vast majority of other so-called "moderate" Muslims. How can this be, you might ask? Because their silence toward Muslim terrorist atrocities is deafening - they refuse to rise up against the radicals among their religion. The religious leaders - mullahs, imams, whatever - are especially at fault for not vociferously condemning terrorist atrocities as often as possible. Has anyone EVER seen ANY mass protests against suicide bombings or beheadings of innocent civilians? They sure as heck can get mobs into the street to protest some cartoons in an obscure Danish newspaper.

In my humble opinion, it's a black and white issue - the "moderate Muslims" can either be pro-terrorist or anti-terrorist, but there is no middle ground. Unless and until they become commited to stamping out the radical elements in their own religion/political party they should be considered part of the problem. We all know the adage that tells us what happens when good men choose to do nothing.
 

Dreamer

Administrator Emeritus
Charter Member
Sorry guys, this one's got to be locked. I hate to do that in this forum, as it's here to voice strong opinions.

However, we must draw the line somewhere, and calling, directly, or indirectly for the 'elimination' of those who believe differently is definately across that line.


Thanks for your understanding.


Dale
 
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