What is terrorism
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arkjarhead
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So is it saying terrorism is civilian on civilian violence?
tallcal101
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Ask Rummy and Brownie and Georgie AND Condie and,well,you get my point.Invading a sovern country then destroying the infrastructure, killing men women and children(coladeral casualties).Thousands displaced from thier home.You get my point?Creating the perfect hornets nest for terrorists from the enitre middle east was the final American ingredient.
If it looks like a duck and quacks,it's probably a duck.IT'S TERROISM BY ANY OTHER NAME LEO AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!This time American sponsered.
If it looks like a duck and quacks,it's probably a duck.IT'S TERROISM BY ANY OTHER NAME LEO AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!This time American sponsered.
arkjarhead
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You know I don't know what we shouldv'e done about Iraq. It's easy to armchair quaterback after the fact and say "oh I wouldv'e done this or that". Sure it's easy to say you would have done something else because no one knows how plan b would have went because we went with plan a. I think all the descion makers had some tough choices to make. I honestly don't think I couldv'e done any better. I mean Mr. Bush is human like everyone else. Everyone makes mistakes. Sure Kerry says he would have done things differently. But would he? If I remember correctly he tends to change his mind more often than a 3 month old gets a diaper change. He might have done things one way and decided he didn't like that then change the course of action, then not like that choice a week later, and change courses again. We all know that wouldn't have been good.
greg334
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No Tallcal, you got it 100% wrong.
Let’s ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown why they allowed unchecked growth of terrorism in the Middle East. Why they pulled support from The Shah, Mohammad Pahlavi, and allowed the country to fall and be the center of terrorist support for the world.
Ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown why they systematically dismantled our intelligence originations to effectively black out the middle east.
Ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown why they refused to bomb Iran in to the Stone Age after they took over our embassy which is a direct declaration of WAR. What happened to the idea that we were a sovereign nation and we should not tolerate this type of invasion.
Ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown what was done to save the millions of repressed people who fell under the theocracy of the Ayatollah Khomeini and what has been done through Carter’s humanitarian work to help the women and children of Middle East, India and Pakistan where there are honor killings, where there is so horrendous abuse of women that we treat our rabid animals better than many women and children are treated over there.
Ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown why they hate our country that they did all these things? Ask Carter and Young both speak out against us on foreign soil and why they think that they are righteous in their actions when they were the cause of hundreds of thousands to be killed in the name of Islam.
We forget our past and only focus on the present ignoring the true nature of the history of these countries and the violence against innocence people. We forget that it was one idiot peanut farmer from Georgia that caused more destruction of lives and property and more hate towards our country than any other person in our history.
When you really examine just one issue, human rights and try to leverage that one issue against the invasion of Iraq and the outcome of improved human rights of Iraqia, there is no way around the fact that you can not compare the failures of one president to be tough during and after an invasion over another who just ignore the basic human rights of millions while being president and later being praised for his humanitarian work. By far without any comparison the worst of the two is not the guy who failed during and after an invasion but the guy who did nothing to save lives of innocent people by stopping evil people in the beginning.
How pathetic is this the screwed up duality of our country.
Have you actually asked an Iraqi what they think about the freedoms we have brought to their country?
Let’s ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown why they allowed unchecked growth of terrorism in the Middle East. Why they pulled support from The Shah, Mohammad Pahlavi, and allowed the country to fall and be the center of terrorist support for the world.
Ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown why they systematically dismantled our intelligence originations to effectively black out the middle east.
Ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown why they refused to bomb Iran in to the Stone Age after they took over our embassy which is a direct declaration of WAR. What happened to the idea that we were a sovereign nation and we should not tolerate this type of invasion.
Ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown what was done to save the millions of repressed people who fell under the theocracy of the Ayatollah Khomeini and what has been done through Carter’s humanitarian work to help the women and children of Middle East, India and Pakistan where there are honor killings, where there is so horrendous abuse of women that we treat our rabid animals better than many women and children are treated over there.
Ask Carter, Vance, Muskie, Civiletti, Young, McHenry and Brown why they hate our country that they did all these things? Ask Carter and Young both speak out against us on foreign soil and why they think that they are righteous in their actions when they were the cause of hundreds of thousands to be killed in the name of Islam.
We forget our past and only focus on the present ignoring the true nature of the history of these countries and the violence against innocence people. We forget that it was one idiot peanut farmer from Georgia that caused more destruction of lives and property and more hate towards our country than any other person in our history.
When you really examine just one issue, human rights and try to leverage that one issue against the invasion of Iraq and the outcome of improved human rights of Iraqia, there is no way around the fact that you can not compare the failures of one president to be tough during and after an invasion over another who just ignore the basic human rights of millions while being president and later being praised for his humanitarian work. By far without any comparison the worst of the two is not the guy who failed during and after an invasion but the guy who did nothing to save lives of innocent people by stopping evil people in the beginning.
How pathetic is this the screwed up duality of our country.
Have you actually asked an Iraqi what they think about the freedoms we have brought to their country?
Look at the image again. Terrorism is civilians against civilians. Think WTC. I realize the rose colored glasses issued by the left may play whaley with the colors of the chart so maybe if you take them off you'll see clearly the perfectly accurate definitions of terrorism, war, guerrilla action etc. illustrated there.
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tallcal101
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I'm sorry Leo,I keep forgeting the role Iraq played in WTC.
It's not really a left wing issue,it's an American issue and a damned insult to the the lost souls of WMD that the real perp is still laughing his a** off in a cave.Forget the rose colored glass's,I pear thorouh crystal clear glass's that don't hide behind the trumped up BS that supported the reason to go to war.You go to war because you have to not because you want to.Show me one shred of eveidence that we had to go to war,one thing that was not fabrication.The end does not justify the means and we have paid a heavy price in blood and treasure.And I, for one,don't intend to let people forget it.
You keep your rose colored glass's on and call it pratiotism if you choose too,but the blood is on all our hands,and some of us think it's a disgrace.
It's not really a left wing issue,it's an American issue and a damned insult to the the lost souls of WMD that the real perp is still laughing his a** off in a cave.Forget the rose colored glass's,I pear thorouh crystal clear glass's that don't hide behind the trumped up BS that supported the reason to go to war.You go to war because you have to not because you want to.Show me one shred of eveidence that we had to go to war,one thing that was not fabrication.The end does not justify the means and we have paid a heavy price in blood and treasure.And I, for one,don't intend to let people forget it.
You keep your rose colored glass's on and call it pratiotism if you choose too,but the blood is on all our hands,and some of us think it's a disgrace.
greg334
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Hey Tallcal,
I am wondering what treasure?
We did not invade, conquer and looted the national treasure of the country or steal the natural resources, but gave back the money we found, the gold we discovered and even allowed countries that are on our terror watch list to help rebuild the country. No other country in the world, or it’s history has ever done what we have in Iraq.
Also what is your position on genocide and on horrible human conditions of people living under a theocracy? Do you think that we should not stop it and if so why?
Do you support a silent overthrow of a government that treats women and children less than we treat our worst animals?
Please answer if you can, why is it we are doing so wrong over in Iraq when they have been faced with such horrible living conditions before we took the responsibility to free them?
What is wrong with giving people some more hope and opportunity to live free?
I have to ask this again, when was the last time you actually talked to an Iraqi and got their point of view?
When you and others talk about the mistake of invading, of no possible link between Al Qaeda and 9/11 but in truth they are all interlinked on all different levels than you or many others on the left side of the world can possible grasp, not being disrespectful but truthful. You may think I defend Bush, but I don’t, I defend what we have done for the Iraqis, the people I know who tell me what they don’t like and what they like – these are the people whose country we did invade and freed their people.
See Tallcal, we have to stand on some issues here and stick to doing things that are unpleasant and costly at times but are the right thing to do. We can’t not commit ourselves and then when we change the standards of warfare or have people complain, cut and run away. We already showed the world with two democratic presidents that we are not capable of showing strength but rather take a arms length approach to doing a dirty job, Carter and Clinton.
I think that you must agree that abuse in any form against people, be it elderly, women or children is a bad thing and that by taking a hateful and harmful government down is a good thing, right?
I strongly feel that the blood is on Carter and his administration hands first. It is he that has disgraced our country and single handily promoted terrorism by being weak, by not crushing the very people that went on to murder thousands. I think in all truth he should be blamed for 9/11 before anyone else.
Leo’s chart is missing the source of funding but rudiment speaks yards about terrorism.
I am wondering what treasure?
We did not invade, conquer and looted the national treasure of the country or steal the natural resources, but gave back the money we found, the gold we discovered and even allowed countries that are on our terror watch list to help rebuild the country. No other country in the world, or it’s history has ever done what we have in Iraq.
Also what is your position on genocide and on horrible human conditions of people living under a theocracy? Do you think that we should not stop it and if so why?
Do you support a silent overthrow of a government that treats women and children less than we treat our worst animals?
Please answer if you can, why is it we are doing so wrong over in Iraq when they have been faced with such horrible living conditions before we took the responsibility to free them?
What is wrong with giving people some more hope and opportunity to live free?
I have to ask this again, when was the last time you actually talked to an Iraqi and got their point of view?
When you and others talk about the mistake of invading, of no possible link between Al Qaeda and 9/11 but in truth they are all interlinked on all different levels than you or many others on the left side of the world can possible grasp, not being disrespectful but truthful. You may think I defend Bush, but I don’t, I defend what we have done for the Iraqis, the people I know who tell me what they don’t like and what they like – these are the people whose country we did invade and freed their people.
See Tallcal, we have to stand on some issues here and stick to doing things that are unpleasant and costly at times but are the right thing to do. We can’t not commit ourselves and then when we change the standards of warfare or have people complain, cut and run away. We already showed the world with two democratic presidents that we are not capable of showing strength but rather take a arms length approach to doing a dirty job, Carter and Clinton.
I think that you must agree that abuse in any form against people, be it elderly, women or children is a bad thing and that by taking a hateful and harmful government down is a good thing, right?
I strongly feel that the blood is on Carter and his administration hands first. It is he that has disgraced our country and single handily promoted terrorism by being weak, by not crushing the very people that went on to murder thousands. I think in all truth he should be blamed for 9/11 before anyone else.
Leo’s chart is missing the source of funding but rudiment speaks yards about terrorism.
I am looking at the chart without any passion or bias in any direction. I am looking at a very clear and accurate portrayal of the various components illustrated. I originally said nothing about any region of the globe as that isn't pertinent to the accurate definitions presented. What is terrorism? Terrorism is one group of civilians acting against another group of citizens.
We don't need to go into the vast majority of the world, including Hilary and all her cohorts, calling for war based on the information available at that time. We don't need to go into the information coming from multiple sources from multiple nations. We don't need to go into hindsight being 20/20 whereas vision then was only as good as the volumes of multinational information provided.
Returning to the original point, the chart very basically and very clearly illustrates what terrorism is. There's no way to deny that, only to redirect attention elsewhere.
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We don't need to go into the vast majority of the world, including Hilary and all her cohorts, calling for war based on the information available at that time. We don't need to go into the information coming from multiple sources from multiple nations. We don't need to go into hindsight being 20/20 whereas vision then was only as good as the volumes of multinational information provided.
Returning to the original point, the chart very basically and very clearly illustrates what terrorism is. There's no way to deny that, only to redirect attention elsewhere.
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tallcal101
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This ground had been plowed and replowed on this forum.
The last election was a referndum on the state of our country and the war specificaly.
We are about to enter into a national debate on where our country needs to go now.History will judge the last administration and the choices that were made.Not listening to the military leaders who suggested that an exit paln and a plan to deal with sectarian violence after the invasion was perhaps the biggest blunder our counrty has ever made in the eyes of the free world.It looked alot more like nation building then freeing oppresed people.
Now freeing the North Koreans would have been a plan that made sence,talk about opression!But W and the cowboys wanted oil,and they cared less about "the poor put upon Iraqis" then keeping the pipe lines open.Where were the open armsed greeters??Rummy and Dickie are a couple of old corporate types,which is where they should have stayed.Fighting wars takes experience and a plan,not pie in the sky smoke and mirrors.
The last election was a referndum on the state of our country and the war specificaly.
We are about to enter into a national debate on where our country needs to go now.History will judge the last administration and the choices that were made.Not listening to the military leaders who suggested that an exit paln and a plan to deal with sectarian violence after the invasion was perhaps the biggest blunder our counrty has ever made in the eyes of the free world.It looked alot more like nation building then freeing oppresed people.
Now freeing the North Koreans would have been a plan that made sence,talk about opression!But W and the cowboys wanted oil,and they cared less about "the poor put upon Iraqis" then keeping the pipe lines open.Where were the open armsed greeters??Rummy and Dickie are a couple of old corporate types,which is where they should have stayed.Fighting wars takes experience and a plan,not pie in the sky smoke and mirrors.
One more time, because my dad taught me not to give up too easily, I'll point out the topic of what is terrorism and one more time I'll say the illustration given is, while very simplified, a very clear and accurate portrayal of terrorism, guerrilla action etc. and stands alone quite well.
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