The Trump Card...

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Ragman

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Here's the really sad reality we're all currently living in.

Would it shock anyone to see Donald Trump order an attack on Iran for no other reason than that he's clearly very angry the Supreme Court just ruled his blanket tariffs unconstitutional?

That's the kind of unhinged, weak, petty mindset we're dealing with in this president.

I said it over a decade ago: I fully believe Trump would reduce this country to ashes as long as he felt doing so benefited him in some way.

Nothing I've seen from Trump since he announced his first campaign in 2015, nor anything I knew about him long before he pushed his way into politics, has changed my mind.

He has always been, and always will be, a thin-skinned, incompetent, mentally unhinged, and depraved individual who only cares about himself.
 
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The Supreme Court decision today won't change anything. The Trump administration saw this coming and had back up procedure already in place for their tariff policy.

The Supreme Court decision changes more than people may first realize if they get past Trump himself.

The headline is major defeat for Trump. Everyone is focusing on that and on how the massive tariff messes Trump illegally created get unwound. The bigger and more impactful story includes the reaction of our international trading partners.

Foreign leaders and business people see a US president soundly rebuked by the Supreme Court. His signature policy was invalidated by the Justices, some of whom Trump himself put there. They see the president immediately defiant, imposing tariffs under a new legal authority that has a 150 day tariff sunset clause. And they see the president simply asserting this authority under "rule whatever." just like he did under the previous and now invalidated rule.

What they see is chaos in US government, which will further motivate international entities to divest of the US dollar, do business with stable countries and avoid the Trump dysfunctions.

It is also significant that the Supreme Court that has been backing Trump; in case after case turned on him now. Republicans in Congress will see this. It weakens Trump and gives them cover to oppose him. Before we saw one or two Congressional Republicans willing to stand up to Trump. Now it's a handful. After this ruling, there will be a few more. That's a trend, accelerated by mid-term election realities and today's ruling.

I do not believe for a second that Trump has the tariff authority under the new rule he claims. The Supreme Court made things very clear today. The president's authority to impose tariffs is strictly limited. The Constitution vests tariff authority with Congress. Tump's new tariff actions will be challenged in court. His case now is weaker than before, not stronger. He'll operate illegally like he did before, but that too will be undone.

Others to watch include the Justices. Trump just slammed and disparaged them in the harshest possible terms. You can be sure they're already getting the red-hat treatment from the MAGA death-threaters and keyboard warriors ... and maybe worse. I doubt they'll be as welcoming to Trump as they have been in the past because of this.

Tariff plan B exists but its no fix for the massive defeat and political damage today's SCOTUS ruling visits on Trump.

One last thing. If foreign countries pay the tariffs, why is it that US companies and citizens are filing suit to get their money back that was illegally collected from THEM back? Exactly ZERO foreign countries have sought refunds, because exactly ZERO paid the tariffs. American citizens paid the tariffs, also known as an import tax.
 
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What Do These Have In Common?

Erosion of Dollar Dominance in Reserves
Divestment and "Sell America" Trends
Shifts in Trade Settlement
Hard Asset Migration
The Great Diversification: Gold vs. Treasuries
The 2026 "De-Risking" Reality
Strategic Adverse Actions

All are part of the massive, anti-US response by foreign entities to the chaos Trump has visited on them. The US is increasingly seen as an unreliable trading partner and unstable nation. Other countries are looking elsewhere to do better business there.
 
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muttly

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Here's the really sad reality we're all currently living in.

Would it shock anyone to see Donald Trump order an attack on Iran for no other reason than that he's clearly very angry the Supreme Court just ruled his blanket tariffs unconstitutional?

That's the kind of unhinged, weak, petty mindset we're dealing with in this president.

I said it over a decade ago: I fully believe Trump would reduce this country to ashes as long as he felt doing so benefited him in some way.

Nothing I've seen from Trump since he announced his first campaign in 2015, nor anything I knew about him long before he pushed his way into politics, has changed my mind.

He has always been, and always will be, a thin-skinned, incompetent, mentally unhinged, and depraved individual who only cares about himself.
Delving into conspiracy theories, eh?
 
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muttly

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The Supreme Court decision changes more than people may first realize if they get past Trump himself.

The headline is major defeat for Trump. Everyone is focusing on that and on how the massive tariff messes Trump illegally created get unwound. The bigger and more impactful story includes the reaction of our international trading partners.

Foreign leaders and business people see a US president soundly rebuked by the Supreme Court. His signature policy was invalidated by the Justices, some of whom Trump himself put there. They see the president immediately defiant, imposing tariffs under a new legal authority that has a 150 day tariff sunset clause. And they see the president simply asserting this authority under "rule whatever." just like he did under the previous and now invalidated rule.

What they see is chaos in US government, which will further motivate international entities to divest of the US dollar, do business with stable countries and avoid the Trump dysfunctions.

It is also significant that the Supreme Court that has been backing Trump; in case after case turned on him now. Republicans in Congress will see this. It weakens Trump and gives them cover to oppose him. Before we saw one or two Congressional Republicans willing to stand up to Trump. Now it's a handful. After this ruling, there will be a few more. That's a trend, accelerated by mid-term election realities and today's ruling.

I do not believe for a second that Trump has the tariff authority under the new rule he claims. The Supreme Court made things very clear today. The president's authority to impose tariffs is strictly limited. The Constitution vests tariff authority with Congress. Tump's new tariff actions will be challenged in court. His case now is weaker than before, not stronger. He'll operate illegally like he did before, but that too will be undone.

Others to watch include the Justices. Trump just slammed and disparaged them in the harshest possible terms. You can be sure they're already getting the red-hat treatment from the MAGA death-threaters and keyboard warriors ... and maybe worse. I doubt they'll be as welcoming to Trump as they have been in the past because of this.

Tariff plan B exists but its no fix for the massive defeat and political damage today's SCOTUS ruling visits on Trump.

One last thing. If foreign countries pay the tariffs, why is it that US companies and citizens are filing suit to get their money back that was illegally collected from THEM back? Exactly ZERO foreign countries have sought refunds, because exactly ZERO paid the tariffs. American citizens paid the tariffs, also known as an import tax.
You didn’t read the dissents? There are other ways. But I’m old enough to remember when Dems used to be for protective tariffs, manufacturing jobs in our country, and buying American made. That party is gone.
 
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Businesses Press Trump for Tariff Refunds

"Businesses are pressing the Trump administration to issue tariff refunds after the Supreme Court ruled Friday that President Trump unlawfully imposed levies ..." (Source)

The article goes on to suggest that businesses will face a long, drawn-out process to recover the illegal taxes Trump forced them to pay.

I'm wondering why the process has to be drawn out at all. The agency knows exactly who paid these taxes and exactly how much was paid. The correct returns were filed. The money paper trail is crystal clear. It would be easy to refund the illegally confiscated money if the Trump administration was so disposed. But they are not so disposed. They show every intention of keeping the money that is not theirs to keep.

Also, to reiterate a point earlier made; why are American businesses seeking these refunds. If foreign countries pay the tariffs as Trump asserts (lies), why aren't the foreign countries seeking refunds? Answer: They seek no refunds because they paid no money. Foreign countries did not pay the billions of dollars now in dispute. Americans did.
 
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ATeam

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There was a government shutdown caused by the Dems. 5 percent GDP is coming. Bookmark it.
Let me see ... House is controlled by a Republican majority, Senate is controlled by a Republican majority, the White House has a Republican president, and somehow the Democrats shut down the government ... not just once but twice in Trump's 2nd term?
 

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One of the Most Brilliant Political Moves I Have Seen in Years

"Gov. JB Pritzker is demanding President Trump refund the state of Illinois more than $8 billion after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down his sweeping reciprocal tariffs Friday." (Source)

Pritzker's letter to Trump said in part:

"On behalf of the people of Illinois, I demand a refund of $1,700 for every family in Illinois. There are 5,105,448 households in my state, bringing the total damages you owe to $8,679,261,600."

"This letter and the attached invoice stand as an official notice that compensation is owed to the people of Illinois, and if you do not comply, we will pursue further action."


I enjoyed this first because it is amusing. It brought a smile to my face.

It's brilliant because it:
  • Makes a serious statement and claim made with virtually no cost to the Governor.
  • Clearly illustrates the harmful impacts of Trump's tariffs (import taxes paid by Americans).
  • Wakes the entire state of Illinois up to the taxes they paid directly or indirectly.
  • Gives the people of Illinois a legitimate claim for a refund and a way of obtaining it.
  • Incentives people to see tariffs in a new light, a light in which there may be something in it for them to stand against Trump's illegal taxes.
  • Motivates people to align with and root for the Governor's success in this matter.
  • Is a serious claim that I have no doubt Trump will deny and Pritzker will pursue in court.
  • Has media legs such that this will surface repeatedly as it makes its way through the press conferences and courts.
 

ATeam

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The Supreme Court decision today won't change anything. The Trump administration saw this coming and had back up procedure already in place for their tariff policy.
On the same day the US Supreme Court soundly eviscerated Trump's claimed tariff authority, Trump announced new 10% tariffs to be imposed worldwide. Less than 24 hours later, he changed the number to 15%. That's not a plan. That's casting about. Trump's "Plan B" is short for "Plan BS."

If Trump actually had a plan, he would have announced an actual plan, not bluster that leaves the whole world scratching their heads as they try to figure out what this announcement actually means. One particularly important question for countries that worked out a deal with Trump for 10% tariffs is do they hold or does the new 15% apply.

Does the deal we made stand, or is everything once again on the table? Foreign governments are asking, "Are we no longer bound to make the concessions we agreed to now that 15% applies? And I can't help but believe they are saying to themselves, "This is Bull S**t! We went to great lengths to agree with Trump and we committed to costly concessions. Now, with no effort whatsoever on their part, dozens of other countries get the same or even better deal than we did? To hell with that madman in the US White House."
 
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