The State of the Union and the Justice System

LDB

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There were two NY “lawyers” arrested and charged after throwing a Molotov cocktail into a police vehicle during the BLM riots.

They originally were facing up to 30 years in prison. They had that recommendation reduced to 10 years. A plea deal of up to five years was rescinded in exchange of a new one that had a penalty of up to 24 months. One received 15 months and the other got a little over a year prison sentence.

The non violent fellow who may have put scuff marks on Pelosi’s desk by putting his shoes on it received almost 5 years.
The double standard is egregious beyond comprehension. Can't wait for Karma to unload on the left. Looking forward to it and hoping it is an absolute full and maximum load.
 
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danthewolf00

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The double standard is egregious beyond comprehension. Can't wait for Karma to unload on the left. Looking forward to it and hoping it is an absolute full and maximum load.
Aoc did a townhall and was yelled at over the illegal aliens....everyone who was mad and angry about her bs was forced to leave....with her laughing.
 
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Two Tier Criminal Justice/ Bail Reform:
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Another example of our two-tier justice system: during a Minneapolis riot in 2020 a man burned down a pawn shop killing someone inside. He was sentenced to 10 yrs in prison instead of the recommended standard of 20 years. Evidently he was special.

"Yes, the guidelines call for 20 years, prosecutors admitted, but "this is an extraordinary case." Why is it an extraordinary case? Because "Mr. Lee's motive for setting the first is a foremost issue," the memo said. This is a key passage from the memo:
...There appear also to have been many people who felt angry, frustrated, and disenfranchised, and who were attempting, in many cases in an unacceptably reckless and dangerous manner, to give voice to those feelings. Mr. Lee appears to be squarely in this latter category. And even the great American advocate for non-violence and social justice, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., stated in an interview with CBS's Mike Wallace in 1966 that "we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard." (bold emphasis mine)


How many of the Jan 6 protesters "felt angry, frustrated and disenfranchised"? This BLM rioter (and convicted criminal) killed somebody and only got 10 yrs in prison, 1/2 the time he should have received. Fast forward to 2023, and one of the accused riot organizers gets 22 years even though he wasn't even in DC for the protest. These Jan 6 "trials" are the most egregious examples of political persecution since the Civil War.


 

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Civil War II is coming as the left demands it must. I hope it ends incredibly badly for the left, worse than anyone would imagine. They deserve it.
 
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I heard someone say recently that there isn’t much difference from this and the Salem witch trials. A ridiculous overreaction by our criminal justice system. It has become extremely political with no sense of proportion or compass.
The Left at one time at least had liberals that claimed they were for civil liberties for all people, but now own pompoms and cheer a 17 year sentence for a person who shook a fence and have FAFA hashtags on X rationalizing that Ashli Babbitt deserved what she got.
 
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Another example of our two-tier justice system: during a Minneapolis riot in 2020 a man burned down a pawn shop killing someone inside. He was sentenced to 10 yrs in prison instead of the recommended standard of 20 years. Evidently he was special.

"Yes, the guidelines call for 20 years, prosecutors admitted, but "this is an extraordinary case." Why is it an extraordinary case? Because "Mr. Lee's motive for setting the first is a foremost issue," the memo said. This is a key passage from the memo:
...There appear also to have been many people who felt angry, frustrated, and disenfranchised, and who were attempting, in many cases in an unacceptably reckless and dangerous manner, to give voice to those feelings. Mr. Lee appears to be squarely in this latter category. And even the great American advocate for non-violence and social justice, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., stated in an interview with CBS's Mike Wallace in 1966 that "we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard." (bold emphasis mine)


How many of the Jan 6 protesters "felt angry, frustrated and disenfranchised"? This BLM rioter (and convicted criminal) killed somebody and only got 10 yrs in prison, 1/2 the time he should have received. Fast forward to 2023, and one of the accused riot organizers gets 22 years even though he wasn't even in DC for the protest. These Jan 6 "trials" are the most egregious examples of political persecution since the Civil War.


Correct me if I'm mistaken on this ... but it sounds like Lee plead out ?

Big difference between pleading out vs. making the Feds go to trial.

Wonder what Tarrio - or any of the other Proud Boys - could have gotten ... if he/they would have been willing to cooperate and cop to a plea ... and thereby saved Feds the time, expense, and trouble of going through a trial ?

Guess we'll never know ...

Oh ... wait ... Proud Boy Charles Donohoe of North Carolina did exactly that:

Leader of North Carolina Chapter of Proud Boys Pleads Guilty to Conspiracy and Assault Charges in Jan. 6 Capitol Breach

... but it looks we'll have to wait a little longer to find out though: doesn't appear that he's been sentenced yet.
 
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I heard someone say recently that there isn’t much difference from this and the Salem witch trials. A ridiculous overreaction by our criminal justice system. It has become extremely political with no sense of proportion or compass.
The Left at one time at least had liberals that claimed they were for civil liberties for all people, but now own pompoms and cheer a 17 year sentence for a person who shook a fence and have FAFA hashtags on X rationalizing that Ashli Babbitt deserved what she got.
Pathetic attitude, just pathetic.
 

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Another example of our two-tier justice system: during a Minneapolis riot in 2020 a man burned down a pawn shop killing someone inside. He was sentenced to 10 yrs in prison instead of the recommended standard of 20 years. Evidently he was special.

"Yes, the guidelines call for 20 years, prosecutors admitted, but "this is an extraordinary case." Why is it an extraordinary case? Because "Mr. Lee's motive for setting the first is a foremost issue," the memo said. This is a key passage from the memo:
...There appear also to have been many people who felt angry, frustrated, and disenfranchised, and who were attempting, in many cases in an unacceptably reckless and dangerous manner, to give voice to those feelings. Mr. Lee appears to be squarely in this latter category. And even the great American advocate for non-violence and social justice, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., stated in an interview with CBS's Mike Wallace in 1966 that "we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard." (bold emphasis mine)


How many of the Jan 6 protesters "felt angry, frustrated and disenfranchised"? This BLM rioter (and convicted criminal) killed somebody and only got 10 yrs in prison, 1/2 the time he should have received. Fast forward to 2023, and one of the accused riot organizers gets 22 years even though he wasn't even in DC for the protest. These Jan 6 "trials" are the most egregious examples of political persecution since the Civil War.

Additional information has come to light today which makes the "language of the unheard" critique seem unfairly presented and cry-babyish. The additional information is that significantly lower sentences were offered to the Proud Boy defendants, and they were declined. Had he accepted the plea deal, Tarrio would have gotten 9-11 years. But he declined, got convicted by a jury, and got 22 years (DOJ asked for 33).

Here's the Plea Offer Document

For as long as I have been alive, it has been a perpetual complaint among convicts that their sentences are unfair. There is always someone who committed the same crime and got less time, or someone who committed a more serious crime and got less time than the convict who is complaining about their sentence.

In many cases, I am not unsympathetic to these complaints. When you hear only of the sentencing and nothing else, it can indeed be a head scratcher when you hear about a murderer who got five years and a rapist getting 20.

But with the plea offers now known, we have more information here. The claim that "These Jan 6 "trials" are the most egregious examples of political persecution since the Civil War" is simply off base. It can of course be made, but no person with a rational respect for the facts will accept it. Tarrio could have received a 9-11 year sentence for very serious crimes. He rolled the dice with the jury, got convicted and got 22 years.
 
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ATeam

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Right he was not even in D.C. and he gets 22 years......even 9 years is to many.....maybe they should have thrown bricks and frozen water bottles at the cops too.
Millions of Americans were not in Washington DC on Jan 6 either, but they are victims of the crimes he and other insurrectionists committed. An offender does not need to be physically present with the victims to commit certain types of crimes against others.

Example: If you plan a murder and convince someone else to do it, you are guilty of a serious crime. You can tell the court you were nowhere near the victim when the murder occurred, but the judge will instruct the jury on the law and if the jury convicts, you'll be guilty, not of murder, but of a very serious crime. Planning a crime with others is a crime.
 
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RLENT

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Right he was not even in D.C. and he gets 22 years....

When one engages in a criminal conspiracy, the "scene of the crime" is wherever the conspiring takes place.

Osama Bin Laden was not even in the US or on a plane on 9/11 ... and he ended up getting dead as a doornail.

Mebbe them Proud Boys should count their blessings ... ?
 
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When one engages in a criminal conspiracy, the "scene of the crime" is wherever the conspiring takes place.

Osama Bin Laden was not even in the US or on a plane on 9/11 ... and he ended up getting dead as a doornail.

Mebbe them Proud Boys should count their blessings ... ?
See my reply above.
 
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