ACW4478 said; “Greg, Well I will. Spoken like a true chickenhawk all talk. You have no problem with the spilling of other peoples blood for an illegal War, that you think is WWIII. NO Draft, Tax Cuts for the rich, well I guess Bush doesn't even think this as important as you. "Put up or shut up, no excuses." Enjoy agreeing with each other. Talk to you fools after the midterms.â€
You know you seem to be like many who take talking points and believe them, well what can I say.
Chickenhawk? OK, whatever..
Well first thing is what is an illegal war?
Please define this in terms of our laws, not laws of a made up entity that only exists at the behest of treaties. If you can’t explain what an illegal war is in OUR country’s terms, then it is clear that my point is made – it is a Cindy Sheehan talking point and irrelevant.
But so you have an understanding about how it works let me explain that the congress of the United States voted to go to war. Without their consent, there is no way around them. They fund military actions and have pretty much a final say so with a lot of things. And something that people seem to forget is that if the Dems (senior ones) wanted to stop this, there are rules that are in place in the congress that would provide a means. Don't let them fool you - they have a lot of power even as a minority.
In the case of HJ res114 (this is the joint resolution that was passed to go to war) 77 senators (including a number of Democrats) and 296 representatives (also including a number of Democrats) voted to allow Bush to use military force against Iraq. Now the funny things is (actually rather sad because too many ***** people don’t read the facts) this joint resolution specifically states that the action is in “pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolution 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677†and that it “supports the use of all necessary means to achieve the goals of United Nations Security Council Resolution 688â€. Look UN is mentioned and also knew about it before it went to the floor for a vote. Opps there it is….
But the best part to many who know what is in it is this; “Whereas the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338) expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove from power the current Iraqi regime and promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regimeâ€
History of Public Law 105-338 -
9/29/1998 Introduced/originated in House
10/5/1998 Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 360 - 38 (Roll No. 482).
10/7/1998 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate without amendment by Unanimous Consent.
10/31/1998 Signed by President.
10/31/1998 Became Public Law No: 105-338
Amazing that Clinton said something along the lines that this is the POLICY OF THE COUNTRY and was not changed when Bush took office. Oh that means that Clinton actually declared war against the sovereign country of Iraq two years before Bush was elected. I think that Clinton didn’t have the nerve to tackle the job and left it alone. Funny how he defended an un-defendable position Sunday and LIED about Bin Laden. Oh the humanity……
So let’s recap….
Illegal war means that the president acted without the permission or knowledge of the congress, our elected governing body. Didn’t happen and this is an impeacable offense if it actually happened.
Bush did not have the permission from the UN. Wrong, there were over 12 resolutions that were voted and passed by UN Security Council about Iraq. A few of these were not the idea of the US but rather Arabs states.
Bush was the first to suggest that we needed to go to war with Iraq and set the policy of the country to change the government of Iraq. Wrong again, the fact that Clinton set the policy in 1998, not Bush speaks for itself.
Oh before you anything about the WmD thing, remember this is a country that boasted that they killed their own citizens with CW that they created in country. So with the money from Oil for Food UN program, they not only had money but they never destroyed the ablility to creat things like Sarin and Mustard gas. Opps, maybe Clinton forgot?
Second point within the context of the illegal war cr*p is spilling who’s blood? Spilling innocent people who live accept that their purpose is to die for some Jihad? Come on, get real.
Yes it is sort of WW3, the problem is that you and many who read into the talking points from the left think as gospel otherwise. You think that it is alight to accept terrorist as humans and that this was all caused by Bush and the invasion of Iraq. This started on Carter’s watch guy, the biggest mistake that this country ever did. He was soft, he showed weakness and they exploited it since. Just take a serious step back and watch what is going on – laws are being changed to fit their needs, you can’t say anything against Islam because it is a hate crime or we fear them, call for pray is allowed a lot of places and we have senators (McCain R-AZ traitor and McCain jr.) who say we must not define something that puts our laws and survival behind a treaty.
Oh yep the tax cut comment. Look I don’t care about the rich – I am not rich but did benefit from the tax cut. They earn money, they have created wealth but they also buy things, employ people and etc… really if you are so concern about this, well you need to re-exam your life and your priorities. It is not important how much someone else pays in taxes unless they are cheating and not paying what the law prescribes them to pay.
I have a feeling that the dems won’t get the power in November.
