Team Caffee, how 'bout a report?
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Shadowpanda
Seasoned Expediter
How is this new QC mounted in the truck? On the dash?
You can have the QC mounted how ever you like or you can mount it yourself.
It is important to remember the distinction between working and driving. A solo driver cannot legally drive after the 14-hour clock expires, but he/she can continue to work. If one accepts a load that delivers after the 14 hour clock ends, it is possible to drive straight through and park at the delivery location. Once there, you cannot drive until completing a legal break, but you can still work (delivery the load). It is, however, costly in time used.
For example, you start you 14-hour clock at 2 PM. You arrive at the delivery location at 1 AM for a 7 AM delivery. You have shut down and stopped driving prior to your 14-clock ending at 4 AM so you are legal. At 7 AM you log your delivery time as On Duty and when finished, then start your break. This can only work, however, with a delivery location that has available parking where you can camp out after getting unloaded. Because it is costly in time, I only do this when the pay for the load makes it worthwhile; meaning, I do it very infrequently. But, it can be done.
Maybe more loads will go to teams. Maybe more loads will be transferred. Bottom line, expediting is geared toward teams. We solo drivers can be successful, but it takes a lot of work – both working hard and working smart.
As others have pointed out, a team can keep running legally non-stop. This is not the case with a solo, hindered very much by the 14-hour rule that can only be stopped by an 8-hour sleeper break. Bottom-line answer to your question of will it help or hurt the solo driver – I fear it will be more hurtful then helpful to solos.
If I have read previous postings, at this point the truck could move up to .7 mi without the computer triggering a violation. Right?
Yes, that is my understanding as well. But that information is only based on other postings. I have not yet made the QC switch and am in no hurry to do so. It would be fine with me if I were the last one in the fleet to be switched over sometime much later this year. The longer the switch over is postponed, the more time I have to research, think through and evaluate all options.
Doggie Daddy
Veteran Expediter
If the actual units are anything like the beta units which we have had in our truck for months now this would be an untrue statement.
We have had the unit activate just moving from the fuel islands to a parking space in a t/s,and no where near .7 in distance.
We had some friends that used to drive for Panther and they were cited for not having the ability to produce copies of their logs upon a side of the road DOT inspection. The DOT told them, they were running illegal. Cited them and fined them. Period. Panther's response was they would take care of it.
For what it is worth, DOT stated to them that Werner is the ONLY company that has had their paperless logs authenticated legally. They indicated that the ability to produce a log at the time of stop or incident is required and Werner has the means to do this.
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This is an issue that must only concern a few of us...I would think people would be questioning FedEx's ability to designate on where they can and can not go with their own trucks while not under load or dispatch. I know that we rarely sit at a truck stop and part of the "enjoyment" of not having a load is taking in what the area we are at has to offer. We like museums, parks, casinos etc...we love being tourists!
If we happen to be in an area, say Nashville for example, although not country music lovers at all, we went to the Grand Ole Opry and a couple of other places. Although most places were within walking distance to each other, we still drove the truck about 20 miles around the city of Nashville. Now, with an EOBR in our truck we would have been logged for these activities and one of us would have started their 14 hour clock even though we were using our vehicle for our personal use. We were not loaded, nor were we dispatched for a load.
We know several couples that used to drive for Panther so this very topic came up a couple of years ago. As a result, we have asked at least 10 DOT officials in several different locations about doing this type of "driving" and logging it...and they have all unanimously stated that driving within the same city with this type of mileage requires NO log book notations. One official asked," how would you note it?" "Nashville to Nashville?"
All I can figure is that people who don't think that .7 of a mile for movement is forcing us to stay in one location do not mind sitting in **** hole truck stops for the duration of their wait for a load.
Even Canada has a 45 mile rule with their EOBR's.
There was a time when FedEx Custom Critical required White Glove HAZMAT drivers to come to company headquarters for HAZMAT training every two years, while the legal requirement was every three years. That changed so the carrier requirement and legal requirement now match.
There was a time when TVAL drivers and trucks had to come to company headquarters to be tested and trained more often than they do now. The company later figured out how to keep the TVAL standards high while reducing the frequency of trips and the time spent when there.
Over the years there have been a number of changes to things like bubble up rules, authorized deadhead rules, etc. In almost every case the changes made things easier on the contractors with no detriment to the company.
This gives me reason to believe that our carrier will eventually get it about the .7 rule and relax the company's personal conveyance requirements to match those of the law.
I can only hope this will happen sooner than later. I see no benefit whatsoever to the company in saddling its drivers with mobility disincentives that have no safety impact, undermine driver freedom and satisfaction on the road, and reduce the legally-available hours drivers would otherwise have to respond to load offers and haul freight.
There may be good reasons for the .7 rule the company is imposing and I am open to hearing them. I am not just saying this. Really, I am all ears.
Can someone explain exactly how and why .7 became the magic number and how it benefits the company, the drivers and the customers we together serve?
EOBRs are sophisticated devices that can be programed to do anything the company wants them to do. Why was .7 programmed in when the personal conveyance logging rules are so different?
There was a time when TVAL drivers and trucks had to come to company headquarters to be tested and trained more often than they do now. The company later figured out how to keep the TVAL standards high while reducing the frequency of trips and the time spent when there.
Over the years there have been a number of changes to things like bubble up rules, authorized deadhead rules, etc. In almost every case the changes made things easier on the contractors with no detriment to the company.
This gives me reason to believe that our carrier will eventually get it about the .7 rule and relax the company's personal conveyance requirements to match those of the law.
I can only hope this will happen sooner than later. I see no benefit whatsoever to the company in saddling its drivers with mobility disincentives that have no safety impact, undermine driver freedom and satisfaction on the road, and reduce the legally-available hours drivers would otherwise have to respond to load offers and haul freight.
There may be good reasons for the .7 rule the company is imposing and I am open to hearing them. I am not just saying this. Really, I am all ears.
Can someone explain exactly how and why .7 became the magic number and how it benefits the company, the drivers and the customers we together serve?
EOBRs are sophisticated devices that can be programed to do anything the company wants them to do. Why was .7 programmed in when the personal conveyance logging rules are so different?
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Having our 3rd year anniversary of being an FCC Expediter approaching has me mulling over all these thoughts.
Personally, no problem with the change.
Heck some here still dont believe pre trip is a logable event.
So it may help them, that alone is priceless.
Also,It just brings the vans that much closer to logging.
We have just completed our highest 4 week gross in three years. In the slowest quarter, traditionally.
Let the disgruntled continue to leave, more work for me.
As I have stated before, since we are still new to the expediting world, and cant speak of the fotunes made before our time, Linda and I ( to borrow from DaveKc ) are as happy as pigs in poop.
We make good money, see the country and have a better standard of living because of the PAST THREE YEARS of expediting.
The same three years all the doomdayers were saying , "yep, its all over now, what you crazy, expediting is not the way to , get a job a Wendys, this is not the time to get into expediting"
Note to self: ( ask banker if we are doing okay, wanna make sure)
You will get out of this whatever you think it will bring.
Good luck to ya all with your new carrier/ or going indy,
we will adapt and continue to thrive.
Peace
Personally, no problem with the change.
Heck some here still dont believe pre trip is a logable event.
So it may help them, that alone is priceless.
Also,It just brings the vans that much closer to logging.
We have just completed our highest 4 week gross in three years. In the slowest quarter, traditionally.
Let the disgruntled continue to leave, more work for me.
As I have stated before, since we are still new to the expediting world, and cant speak of the fotunes made before our time, Linda and I ( to borrow from DaveKc ) are as happy as pigs in poop.
We make good money, see the country and have a better standard of living because of the PAST THREE YEARS of expediting.
The same three years all the doomdayers were saying , "yep, its all over now, what you crazy, expediting is not the way to , get a job a Wendys, this is not the time to get into expediting"
Note to self: ( ask banker if we are doing okay, wanna make sure)
You will get out of this whatever you think it will bring.
Good luck to ya all with your new carrier/ or going indy,
we will adapt and continue to thrive.
Peace
Once upon a time someone invented the wheel. Time passed and many learned to us the wheel. The others got rolled by the wheel!
Since then, many innovations have crossed our paths, and most of us learn to use them, or get rolled by that darn wheel!
EOBRs is just another innovation, and one that I hope gets inplemented yesterday. I have driven twice for companies that used them, and it was just that easy to update your log and roll.
Adaptation, once again, is good for survival. Many will adapt, but some won't, and that means more loads, and more $$$!
What do I care if the company I drive for requires me to do this or that? As long as I'm making $$$ I'll be happy, my family will be happy, and the wheel will keep on rolling!
Since then, many innovations have crossed our paths, and most of us learn to use them, or get rolled by that darn wheel!
EOBRs is just another innovation, and one that I hope gets inplemented yesterday. I have driven twice for companies that used them, and it was just that easy to update your log and roll.
Adaptation, once again, is good for survival. Many will adapt, but some won't, and that means more loads, and more $$$!
What do I care if the company I drive for requires me to do this or that? As long as I'm making $$$ I'll be happy, my family will be happy, and the wheel will keep on rolling!