Second opinion needed on Shariah

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Greg you said that the thing with the woman in iran being stoned (they have changed that to being caned and that has been put on hold) would never happen here...i guess we probably figured no muslum would never cut his wifes head off here for her actions either...oh wait, that did happen in Dearborn didn't it.....

WOOLSEY & MCCARTHY & SOYSTER: Second opinion needed on Shariah

Our political establishment wears blinders and ignores the threat

By R. James Woolsey, Andrew C. McCarthy and Harry E. Soyster
The Washington Times
6:00 p.m., Tuesday, September 14, 2010
WOOLSEY & MCCARTHY & SOYSTER: Second opinion needed on Shariah - Washington Times


It is time for a "Team B" approach to Islamist ideology. The strategy has worked before, against a similarly determined threat to freedom. In 1976, George H.W. Bush, then director of central intelligence, invited a group of known skeptics about the strategy of detente to review the classified intelligence regarding Soviet intentions and capabilities. The point was to provide an informed second opinion on U.S. policy toward the Kremlin.

The conclusions of this experimental Team B study differed sharply from the government's regnant theory. The skeptics found that, pursuant to its communist ideology, the Soviet Union was determined to secure the defeat of the United States and the West and to tyrannize the globe. Thus, not only was detente unlikely to succeed, but national-security policies undertaken in its pursuit exposed the nation to grave danger. The study was particularly persuasive to former California Gov. Ronald Reagan, who would use it not only to challenge the detentist policies of the Ford and Carter administrations but to build the strategy that ultimately brought down the "Evil Empire."

Today, the United States faces a similarly insidious ideological threat: Shariah, the authoritarian doctrine that animates the Islamists and their jihadism. Translated as "the path," Shariah is a comprehensive framework designed to govern all aspects of life. Though it certainly has spiritual elements, it would be a mistake to think of it as a "religious" code in the Western sense because it seeks to regulate all manner of behavior in the secular sphere - economic, social, military, legal and political. That regulation is oppressive, discriminatory, utterly inimical to our core constitutional liberties and destructive of equal protection under the law, especially for women.

We consequently have joined a group of security-policy practitioners and analysts in subjecting this ideology and its adherents to a new Team B study. Our assessment challenges bedrock assumptions of current American policy on combating (and minimizing) what the government calls "extremism" and on engaging (and appeasing) Shariah proponents who claim to reject terrorism. These proponents are described, wrongly, as "moderates" because they appear content to achieve their patently immoderate designs through political-influence operations, "lawfare" and subversion. Participants in the study constitute a rich reservoir of national security experience drawn from military, intelligence, homeland security, law enforcement and academic backgrounds.

Our study does not perfectly replicate the Team B work of a generation ago. We have not been encouraged by our government, which, under administrations of both parties, has been immovably content to wear its blinders. Nor have we been invited to review classified information. These, however, have hardly been insuperable obstacles. What Americans need to know is ready to hand in the public record. The problem isn't access to information, it is coming to grips with what available information portends for our security.

Shariah is the crucial fault line of Islam's internecine struggle. On one side of the divide are Muslim reformers and authentic moderates - figures like Abdurrahman Wahid, the late president of Indonesia and leader of the world's largest liberal Muslim organization, Nahdlatul Ulama - who embrace the Enlightenment's veneration of reason and, in particular, its separation of the spiritual and secular realms. On that side of the divide, Shariah is defined as but a reference point for a Muslim's personal conduct, not a corpus to be imposed on the life of a pluralistic society.

The other side of the divide is dominated by "Islamists," who are Muslim supremacists. Like erstwhile proponents of communism and Nazism, these supremacists - some terrorists, others employing stealthier means - seek to impose a global theocratic and authoritarian regime, called a caliphate. On this side of the divide, Shariah is a compulsory system that Muslims are obliged to wage jihad to install and to which the rest of the world is required to submit.

For these ideologues, Shariah is not a private matter. They see the West as an infidel enemy to be conquered, not a culture and civilization to be embraced or at least tolerated. It is impossible, they maintain, for alternative legal systems and forms of government like ours to coexist peacefully with the end-state they seek.

It is not the burden of our study to broker competing claims about which side of the Shariah divide represents the "true Islam." There are approximately 1.4 billion Muslims in the world, and their understandings about their belief system, as well as their practices with respect to it, vary widely. There may not be a single "true Islam." If there is one, we do not presume to pronounce what it holds.

What cannot be denied credibly, however, is that Shariah is firmly rooted in Islam's doctrinal texts, and it is favored by influential Islamic commentators, institutions, traditions and academic centers. For more than a half-century, moreover, Shariah Islam has been financed lavishly and propagated by Islamic governmental entities (particularly Saudi Arabia, Iran and the Organization of the Islamic Conference) through the offices of disciplined international organizations, particularly the Muslim Brotherhood. We know from an internal 1991 memorandum authored by one of the Brotherhood's U.S. leaders that its mission is a "grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and 'sabotaging' its miserable house."



Consequently, we need to come to grips with Shariah. Whether pursued through violent jihad or the stealthier techniques the Brotherhood calls "civilization jihad" or dawa (the call to Islam), Shariah rejects fundamental premises of constitutional governance and American society: the bedrock proposition that the governed have a right to make law for themselves irrespective of any theocratic code; the republican democracy guaranteed by the Constitution; freedom of conscience; individual liberty (including in matters of personal privacy and sexual preference); freedom of expression (including the liberty to analyze and criticize theocratic codes and practices); economic liberty (including private property); equality (including equality of men and women and of Muslims and non-Muslims); freedom from cruel and unusual punishments; an unequivocal condemnation of terrorism (one that does not rationalize barbarity as legitimate "resistance"); and an abiding commitment to deflate and resolve political controversies by the ordinary mechanisms of federalism and democracy, not wanton violence.

Trial evidence has shown, most recently in the terrorism-financing prosecution against an ostensible Islamic "charity" known as the Holy Land Foundation, that Shariah adherents - including a network of Muslim Brotherhood-connected organizations operating in the United States - are seriously pursuing civilization jihad in this country. Their agenda is about power, not faith, and therefore must not be confused with a constitutionally protected form of religious practice. Shariah's ambitions transcend what American law recognizes as the sacrosanct realm of private conscience and belief. It seeks to supplant our Constitution with its own authoritarian framework.

Sometimes the Brotherhood and its friends are supportive of Islamist terrorism, particularly against Israel and against American operations in Islamic countries. Sometimes they strategically condemn terrorist methods (although they are careful to refrain from condemning specific terrorist groups and to blame America for their behavior). In either event, however, the endgame of Islamist ideology is the same whether pursued by terrorists or nonviolent activists: to extort American society into Shariah compliance.

It is vital to the national security of the United States that we do what we can to empower Islam's authentic moderates and reformers. That cannot be done by following the failed strategy of fictionalizing the state of Islam in the vain hope that reality will, at some point, catch up to the benign fable of a thriving moderate Islam beset by a mere handful of aberrant "extremists." Empowering the real moderates requires a candid recognition of the faux moderates and the strength of their Shariah agenda, just as defeat of 20th-century totalitarian ideologies required a gimlet-eyed appreciation of their malevolent capabilities.

The definition of "moderation" needs to be reset, to bore in on the Shariah fault line. Only by identifying those Muslims who wish to impose Shariah can we succeed in marginalizing them. As our study manifests, the Shariah system is utterly anti-American. Those obliged to defend the proposition that it should be adopted here will find few takers and, quite properly, be seen for what they are in the West: marginal and extremist figures. That, and only that, will strengthen true proponents of a moderate or reformist Islam that embraces freedom and equality.

Most important, we must protect our way of life regardless of the ultimate resolution of Islam's internal strife. We can do a far better job of empowering non-Shariah-adherent Muslims who are our natural allies, but we cannot win for them - they have to do that for themselves. Irrespective of whether they succeed in the herculean task of delegitimizing Shariah globally, we must face it down in the United States, throughout the West and wherever on Earth it launches violent or ideological offensives against us.

If we are to face down Shariah, however, we must understand what we are up against, not simply hope that dialogue and "engagement" will make the challenge go away. The brute fact is that Shariah adherents perforce support objectives that are incompatible with the U.S. Constitution, the civil rights it guarantees and the representative government it authorizes. Our security depends on confronting them, not sitting silent as they gradually efface our liberties.

R. James Woolsey was director of central intelligence under President Clinton. Andrew C. McCarthy was the assistant U.S. attorney who prosecuted the perpetrators of the first attack on the World Trade Center. Lt. Gen. Harry E. "Ed" Soyster was director of the Defense Intelligence Agency from 1988 to 1991. Their full report will be available online at ShariahtheThreat.com at noon today.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Greg you said that the thing with the woman in iran being stoned (they have changed that to being caned and that has been put on hold) would never happen here...i guess we probably figured no muslum would never cut his wifes head off here for her actions either...oh wait, that did happen in Dearborn didn't it.....

Yep there have been a few things here but by no means is this something that happened outside of their community.

I can point to a number of acts perpetrated by non-Muslims here in the states by Indians - most of which were honor killings, serious stuff. But again there are also a lot of other family related violence within the Ukrainian, Albanian, Serbian and other eastern European communities here in this country. We can't forget the Somalies who for the most part are not civil within their own communties let alone ours but than there is another whole different issue - with 5 million or so Muslims and something like 70 millions Latinos, the ratio of domestic violence seems to be overwhelmingly on the Latinos' side - may be as much as 20 times when you compare the numbers. The question I have seems to be are they operating under Sharia law?

Pretty much you are trying to drive a point home that is somewhat meaningless.

Until we submit our constitution to some sort of gutting by our government (I mean gutting it to look nothing like it), there is still no way this will happen here.

By adding some article from the people who had something directly to do with the issues leading up to 9/11, it is back to the same point - either we need to treat things as a police matter which will make us look weak, or we must be a strong nation united for the right reasons. This matters more than what happens under Sharia law in Iran, Iraq or South Africa because without even the appearance of strength, we are viewed as a divided nation open to the whims of any and all who want to take her. A lot like China in the 1920s.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Greg wrote:

By adding some article from the people who had something directly to do with the issues leading up to 9/11,

Ahh so we are responsible for the 9-11 attacks?? Those that attacked were acting in self defense???

We have been looked at as whims in the eyes of other countries on this on most foreign policy matters dealing with the islamic countries and matters since barry took office....we need to be the bullys that we have been for more yrs then most want to think about.....right or wrong....

And as for gutting the constitution, thats been going on for yrs also...so don't be surprised when you see a islamic woman stone here for her acts...it will happen in your life time.....just as the beheadings and "honor killings" are now...
 
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greg334

Veteran Expediter
Dennis, get a grip.

Yes we are at fault for a number of things. The biggest is this need to treat every international issue as if it needs a police action. I am starting to wonder why we need the military if we can just issue a warrant and have a court case. All of it is pretty petty and stinks of European colonialism.

You have a lot more to worry about with La Raza, MS13 and the reconquest than you do with anything else. I don't think we can approach the issue of stoning until the issue of open borders, human trafficking and real slavery within our borders.

The constitution is not gutted, there has been no changes in amendments but there has been interpretations which can be dealt with. I mean the core of the country and how we treat it still has a long long way to go.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
You are **** right that Laraza and MS13 are an issue that we nned to deal with, but barry want to keep them around too, adds to the voter base...if sharia isn't a problem, why are more then a few states, I believe being lead my Okla writing legisaltion to ban any kind of sharia law in a Pre-emptive way to make it criminal in all ways?

As for our military, please the weak azz libs in the Fed gov won't let them fight as it is, so they decided we needd the court...yes we appear weak, and you can blame barry and the libs for that.....

Oh and I have a grip, I just have choosen to stay away from how to in my opinion deal with the issue here out of respect for one member and his family members....
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Well I don't know about Obama needing MS13, I think he has it handled with a lot of others. La Raza is a different story but the same - all of it points to the border and serious, very serious issues that are ignored with these trivial issues.

Oklahoma seems to be using Sharia as one of a number of issues within the framework of their state. If you read about their attempt, it is a two fold thing, one is to limit the judges to use outside influence in making decisions while the other is to limit the use of international law to reaffirm the US SC case against Texas decision.

Whether or not it is federally constitutional is a question, if a judge uses or references Sharia law (say with a case that has to do with a Islamic bank), than what can a judge do and where does it end. Already we have seen a flagrant use of federal courts with California's gutting of their constitution which was actually should have been screamed about from coast to coast.

I'm not worried because it is just the same as Jewish law, and the system that governs the Catholic and orthodox churches.
 
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