SD House panel OKs bill allowing guns on campuses

OntarioVanMan

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By Chet Brokaw, The Associated Press Wednesday, January 30, 2008

The State Affairs Committee voted unanimously to pass HB1261, which would guarantee people the right to carry or possess firearms on college campuses. The schools also would be prevented from expelling students or firing employees for having a gun on campus.

The panel later voted unanimously to kill a competing measure, sponsored by the Board of Regents, which sought to ban guns on campus.

Rep. Thomas Brunner, R-Nisland, the main sponsor of the bill allowing guns on campus, said most mass shootings in recent years have occurred in areas where guns are prohibited. Murderers have been able to kill many people because no one else was armed and able to stop them before law officers arrived, he said.

If more people carried guns, they could stop mass murderers before they kill so many people, Brunner said. The guard who shot and wounded a gunman at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs in December helped save lives, he said.

"Should a person have less freedom and safety than anyone else simply because he or she attends college?" Brunner said.

Nancy First, South Dakota coordinator of Second Amendment Sisters, said a handgun is the best defense for a woman walking at night on a college campus or anywhere else.

"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," First said.

The only opponent to the bill was Jim Shekleton, legal counsel for the state Board of Regents, who said allowing students and faculty to carry guns could make campuses more dangerous.

If other people exchange gunfire with a madman in a classroom or sports arena, more people could be hurt or injured in the crossfire, Shekleton said. When law officers arrive, they might mistakenly shoot the wrong person if several people in the room are holding guns, he said.

"A free-fire zone is more likely to do more harm than good," Shekleton said.

The best way to prevent mass shootings on campuses is to improve the response when students or others exhibit disturbing behavior, Shekleton said. Last year's shooting at Virginia Tech was caused by a breakdown in identifying and handling a disturbed student, he said.

"By the time the weapon is drawn, it's too late," Shekleton said.

The defeated bill, HB1086, would have banned guns from campuses except for military training, ceremonial uses and classes involving firearms training. Shekleton said 21 other states have similar bans on guns on campuses, while many other states restrict weapons on campus to some extent.

He said Utah allows weapons to be carried on university campuses.

Brunner said he has children attending college, and he thinks allowing law-abiding citizens to carry weapons would improve campus safety
 

LDB

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The lawyer is either a hypocritical mouthpiece saying what he's required to say or he's an uneducated person talking about that which he knows nothing about. My bet is on him being an idiot. Good for S.D. for putting into law what is obvious and should have been common sense.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Yes Leo..if even a couple of the students hadda been armed or teachers those massacres may have still happened but not so many dead!

Like the lady said in the story..."The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,"
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
So what happens if I work for the school but get terminated as part of a lay off and want to return to school as a student, can I carry or not? See the ambiguity of the term 'fired' is a concern.

Oh is there any provisions there for open medical records for the school to make a determination to expel people who carry but are students and have mental problems?

Well before anyone tags me as a anti-gun nut, I am glad SD has this but wish the entire country goes the way Vermont has been.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Update on Bill progress:

Rounds supports guns on campus
By The Brookings Register Tuesday, February 12, 2008


BROOKINGS -- Gov. Mike Rounds says he agrees with state lawmakers who support a bill that would let law-abiding people carry guns on the campuses of South Dakota's public universities.

Rounds was in Brookings this past week to speak to a political science class at South Dakota State University. He said he doesn't see a problem with the legislation.

"My first impression is that there's nothing wrong with allowing a student to carry or to keep his shotgun in his dorm room rather than the back seat or trunk of his car or in a storage shed off campus," said Rounds, who added that he had not read the specific bill.

HB1261 would prevent colleges and technical schools from restricting the right to carry or possess a firearm. Schools could require that guns kept in dormitories be stored in a locked gun safe.

Proponents say allowing guns on campuses might deter mass shootings.

The Board of Regents, which governs the six public universities, has opposed the measure, arguing that allowing students and faculty members to carry guns could make campuses more dangerous. If armed students or teachers exchange gunfire with a madman in a classroom or sports arena, more bystanders could be killed or injured in the crossfire, university officials said.

Only one other state, Utah, authorizes weapons on college campuses, university officials told lawmakers.

Rounds said he doesn't think allowing guns on campus will create more problems. He said that people intent on using firearms for harm will not consider whether guns are allowed or not.

"Law-abiding citizens don't commit crimes, so they aren't causing problems. If you have a criminal bringing a gun on campus, he's going to do that regardless of what the law says anyway," the governor said.
 

rdtrpn

Seasoned Expediter
If you can have a gun at school now why not in our trucks. We as truck drivers are hugely more exposed than most any civilian. Road ragers, lot lizards, beggers and thieves looking to con you or steal from you or your truck. Driving through an inner city late at night and coming up against gangbangers that want to cause you harm just for the fun.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Certainly we should be able to be armed, just as every citizen should based on our right guaranteed by the constitution. The problem is so many fools who believe objects cause problems and want to legislate against objects. Until we can eliminate foolishness we'll never eliminate the problem.
 
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