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Obama has nominated an ultra liberal activist jurist for the court. In a recorded speech this woman discussed how they need the appeals benches "Because that's where policy is made.". That is against everything that the judicial system is supposed to be but not at all surprising for this bozo administration. We can only hope she's shot down before confirmation. Oh, and keep it zipped, that's shot down in the figurative sense of the phrase as in the LOSER'S appointee LOSER candidate LOSES the senate vote.
 

Steady Eddie

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Obama has nominated an ultra liberal activist jurist for the court. In a recorded speech this woman discussed how they need the appeals benches "Because that's where policy is made.". That is against everything that the judicial system is supposed to be but not at all surprising for this bozo administration. We can only hope she's shot down before confirmation. Oh, and keep it zipped, that's shot down in the figurative sense of the phrase as in the LOSER'S appointee LOSER candidate LOSES the senate vote.

Well, I have a bad feeling she will fly through the senate. I don't foresee anything that can stop it.
 

greg334

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Leo,
Did you expect anything else? If you look at the choices, who else could there be... beside if he picked Granholm, then you would really feel a slap in the face.. she can't tell the truth.

Oh and one other thing, watch the committee hearings to see if the repubs actually don't vote for her. There has to be a yea from one of the repubs on the committee according to the senate committee rules to get her out of there and on the floor for a vote...
 

OntarioVanMan

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I read an article that shes considered bipartisan..considered before by BOTH parties....even of the Senate's current Republicans voted to confirm her for the appeals court in 1998, and she was first nominated to be a federal judge by Republican President George H.W. Bush. and she believes the Constitution shouldn't be tampered with...They also expect very little resistance from the GOP....and she has the bench experience. And since shes kinda liberal the same as Souter there won't be any impact on the present formula. Besides what you guys are advocating is she be from your side of the aisle...and wouldn't that be hypocracy? Since SC judges are "supposed" to be neutral...but thats not the real world any more.
 
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LDB

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I don't care what label she chooses as long as she's neutral and impartial. My complaint, as stated, is her giving a speech and saying it's the appellate court that matters since that's where policy is made. That is totally wrong and disqualifies her. Period. Nothing else matters.
 

DougTravels

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I don't care what label she chooses as long as she's neutral and impartial. My complaint, as stated, is her giving a speech and saying it's the appellate court that matters since that's where policy is made. That is totally wrong and disqualifies her. Period. Nothing else matters.

Leo did you bother to read the context of what she said, or did you base your assumptions on the snipet?

Well something else does matter, the fact that what she is saying is true, when put into context.

If it is too much work for you to get the whole story, I'll give you the jist.

Sotomayor, continuing: Having said that, the court of appeals is where, before the Supreme Court makes the final decision, the law is percolating — its interpretation, its application.

Below is what factcheck has to say on the matter.


Sonia Sotomayor, Context Provided


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By Viveca Novak ~ May 26th, 2009. Filed under: Courts, FactCheck.org.
Since President Obama’s announcement that he would nominate federal appellate Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, much attention has been given to her 2005 remark that the “court of appeals is where policy is made.” The conservative Judicial Confirmation Network and others on the right are spotlighting the clip of Sotomayor speaking at Duke Law School.

But what is Sotomayor really saying? It’s true that she immediately interrupted herself, saying jokingly to the panelist next to her, “And I know, I know this is on tape and I should never say that, cause we don’t ‘make law,’ I know.” (Laughter) “OK, I know. I’m not promoting it, and I’m not advocating it, I’m — you know. OK.” She’s referring to an argument often made by conservatives that liberal judges are “judicial activists” who, rather than sticking to strict interpretations of the Constitution, “make law” from the bench.

Or at least that’s what her joking aside was about. But Sotomayor goes on to elaborate on her “where policy is made” comment in an explanation that is not featured on the conservative Web sites. Here’s the part they show:

Sotomayor: The saw is that if you’re going into academia, you’re going to teach, or as Judge Lucero just said, public interest law, all of the legal defense funds out there, they’re looking for people with court of appeals experience, because it is — court of appeals is where policy is made. And I know — and I know this is on tape and I should never say that because we don’t ‘make law,’ I know. OK, I know. I’m not promoting it, and I’m not advocating it, I’m — you know. OK.

And here’s the rest, in which she goes on to explain what she meant:

Sotomayor, continuing: Having said that, the court of appeals is where, before the Supreme Court makes the final decision, the law is percolating — its interpretation, its application. And Judge Lucero is right. I often explain to people, when you’re on the district court, you’re looking to do justice in the individual case. So you are looking much more to the facts of the case than you are to the application of the law because the application of the law is non-precedential, so the facts control. On the court of appeals, you are looking to how the law is developing, so that it will then be applied to a broad class of cases. And so you’re always thinking about the ramifications of this ruling on the next step in the development of the law. You can make a choice and say, “I don’t care about the next step,” and sometimes we do. Or sometimes we say, “We’ll worry about that when we get to it” — look at what the Supreme Court just did. But the point is that that’s the differences — the practical differences in the two experiences are the district court is controlled chaos and not so controlled most of the time. You are jumping from one project to another at a million miles an hour in a given day.

We don’t know if this fuller explanation will change anyone’s mind about her, but Sotomayor, who was a district court judge from 1992 to 1998, does give an accurate description of how trial courts function. It’s at the appellate court level that a “strict constructionist” might diverge from Sotomayor. It’s necessary to interpret the law, but as for “looking to how the law is developing” and the “ramifications of this ruling on the next step in the development of the law” — while those considerations sound logical enough to many, there are strong differences of opinion about whether an appellate court ought to consider anything other than the facts and the law before it.

Sotomayor was part of a panel discussion for law school students on judicial clerkships. At the time, she was responding to a question about how a district court clerkship would differ from one in an appellate court.
 

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Doug, I listened to about 3 minutes of her speech, more than the "snippet" in fact check. I heard the tone of voice, the "nudge nudge, wink wink" that went along with her "I know I shouldn't say this on tape". She is the typical liberal. "We're powerful enough and oh so much smarter than the stupid conservatives that we no longer have to guard what we say." Sorry, she's disqualified. Sadly, those who have the authority to truly disqualify her won't do their job. Equally sadly, there are plenty of people not intelligent enough to see she should be disqualified.
 

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As long as there is even a hint of liberal blood in her veins she won't be acceptable to most of the armchair critics here...myself included...it makes the pickings awfully slim to nil.
 

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Suppose Judge John Roberts had said something like this in a speech at UC Berkely:

"I would hope that a wise White man with the richness of his experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a Latina woman who hasn't lived that life."

Does anyone think for one second that he would have been confirmed to the Supreme Court? On the contrary, he would have been shredded in the press as a racist and denounced in Congress as unfit to serve on any bench.

With that in mind, here's the actual quote from Judge Sotomayor from a speech she gave at UC Berkely in 2002:

"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experience would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."

This woman is obviously not the brightest star in the liberal sky. If he was going to pick a liberal-leaning jurist, he could have and should have done a lot better. Instead, he's pandering to the Hispanic vote.
 

LDB

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I have a friend who is a liberal but is neutral. That would be a good judge. I don't want an activist conservative judge either. A judge is supposed to take the law at face value, no more no less. That is going to interfere with the judge's beliefs and value system at times. A liberal activist judge who says the appeals court is the place to be to make policy is not a judge at all. That's an activist, a lobbyist, a legislator but not a jurist. Case dismissed.
 

OntarioVanMan

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The Hispanics are the fastest growing populus...it figures they'd pander to the votes...

A SC judge is to interrupt the law not make or set policies if I am correct?
 

greg334

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I'm tired of hearing about her rise to the top... are we to believe that she is the only one?

I know a few that have had worst odd than she has, but they never made it to an ivy league school...

Many are wondering what she used to get the scholarships in the first place, there is more to the story that she is telling.
 

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Three of the five majority opinions written by Judge Sotomayor for the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals and reviewed by the Supreme Court were reversed.

She also has another case being heard by the high court that is supposed to have a decision by the end of June.

The most controversial case in which Sotomayor participated is Ricci v. DeStefano, the explosive case involving affirmative action in the New Haven fire department, which is now being reviewed by the Supreme Court. A panel including Sotomayor ruled against the firefighters in a perfunctory unpublished opinion. This provoked Judge Cabranes, a fellow Clinton appointee, to object to the panel's opinion that contained "no reference whatsoever to the constitutional issues at the core of this case."
 

tallcal101

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Im so glad Leo brought up zipper.Clarenece Thomas was assoicated with a zipper problem in his hearings.I won't go into detail,however it seems he had a favorite male porn star whom he related to. He made sure a certain young woman in his office was aware of his taste in adult entertainment.Gross and disgusting coming from any Supreme Cout nominee.
As well, Judge Thomas made several references to how his view from the African American persepective would be beneficial to the court. It is well documented and no issue was made of it at the time by either side of the aisle.Why do you think that is Leo? BECAUSE IT'S TRUE !! I think the white guys club has been the source of many of the problems in this country for the last 30 years.Politicis has been a bought and sold game since Joe Kennedy set his eyes on the prize.It's no secret,nor should it be. Women,blacks hispanics need not apply. Catholics,sure if you have enough money and enough connections.
It's not like African Americans, women and latinos just happen to get smarter the last 30 years.,It's because our Constitution privides for equal treatment under the law,and that happens to include equal opportunity for all. It just took a liberal mind set (read brains) without predjudice to set the wheels of equality in motion.I know,the dark ages were so much easier for some. Archie Bunker lives dam it!
But fear not, there are still bastions of ignorance and intolorance spread through out our fair land,and they are free to have their say. Kind of like a masquitoe on a grizzly bear at this point however.Keep in mind white folks will be the minority in our life time.It's a melting pot,Irish were the modern day latinos and the welcome matt was not out. Can you evem imagine?
 
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I said nothing about zippers. I said keep it zipped, as in lips. I didn't want any of our conclusion jumping friends to say I was calling for her to be shot when I was calling for her nomination to be "shot down" as in defeated.

Clarence Thomas has nothing to do with this nomination and shouldn't even be brought up in the discussion. The point is this nominee should not be on the bench anywhere and certainly not on the Supreme Court.
 
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greg334

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Yea Andy, it is a b*tch being a white male, an exclusive club where all the elites seems to be.....

But let's not forget a few things to put it into perspective in the last 100 years, the last time I looked the democrats only seem to talk the talk and pass the laws and it seems that many of the republicans being accused as part of this club are the ones who are acting on doing the RIGHT thing.

It was a republican who had the first black man to dinner in the white house.

It was a republican who had the first Native American as Vice President.

It was a republican who appointed the first person of Latino descent Supreme Court judge to the bench.

It was a republican who forced desegregation in the schools.

It was a republican who started enforcing the civil rights act and started diversity in the executive branch.

It was a republican who helped spur more minority own businesses and forward progress.

It was a republican who appointed the first and second women to the Supreme court.

It was a republican who had the most diverse cabinet in our nations history.

The last time I looked, the dems didn't do those things, they had plenty of time - the had 11 terms in office and controlled the congress several times. In that time we have had five very racist presidents who happen to be Democrat.

But alas, it is the dems who bring race and gender into the subject, not the repubs. "But fear not, there are still bastions of ignorance and intolorance spread through out our fair land.." is a true statement but the ignorance and intolerance seems to be coming from the left by putting titles on anyone who is different. Like I told Doug, you guys see a black man who is president, I see a president who happens to be black.

It is the dems want to expand control of businesses, raise taxes and to allow anyone to become enslaved through some government program. remember they are the ones who supported slavery.... and they have more combined wealth in government than anyone else - There seems to be more racism with the dems now than ever before, like Biden... he represents the frustrated white man who has to take a seat behind a minority, which seems to be a case for many liberals who are angry.

If you're complaining because we are criticizing sodamayor, well it isn't because she is a women or a latino, many of us look past that. It is because she is not the best choice.
 

LDB

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You see, there's Greg with lots more info than I have the patience to accumulate. It substantiates the point. She's a WRONG choice. Some can see it and others can only regurgitate the same old tired liberal puke.
 

tallcal101

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Clarence Thomas has EVERYTHING to do with it. He had no record on the bench,he was at the bottom of his law class and besides being an Afircan American,which was POINTED OUT EVERYTIME his indesretions surfaced,he was a very poor pick. It was the Democrats who bent over because they did not want to be seen as playing the race card. A very poor choice on their part and one I did not agree with.
Greg,ever see the movie " Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" ? Your lame analogies remind me of that movie.
Let the vetting proceed.Perhaps there is Thomas style dirty laundry hiding,you never know.Her scholastic achievments make Thomas look like a special ed student.I can say that,right Leo? And it is very important to make sure we don't get another Thomas.
She is known to be hard on attorneys who show up for court unprepared,a really bad thing for most attorneys I know as so many are slackers.

Lets not pre judge here yet. By the way I personaly find the word puke objectionable used as a verb and not a noun which it properly is.
 
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