Reminder about the new Tanker endorsement.

mrgoodtude · Apr 20, 2012

I had forgotten all about it till I read up on the weekly bulletin

Bulk tanks, dewars etc with a aggregate total capacity of 1000 gallons require that little endorsement..
We have run such freight before and never gave it a thought but I am sure some states will be checking now.
Just a reminder

Monty · Apr 23, 2012

It's more complicated than that ....

The FMCSA definition states the following: Tank vehicle means any commercial motor vehicle that is designed to transport any liquid or gaseous material within a tank or tanks having an individual rated capacity of more than 119 gallons and an aggregate rated capacity of 1,000 gallons or more that is either permanently or temporarily attached to the vehicle or the chassis. A commercial vehicle transporting an empty storage container tank, not designed for transportation, with a rated capacity of 1,000 gallons or more that is temporarily attached to a flatbed trailer is not considered a tank vehicle.

Dry freight drivers may need tank truck endorsement

So a simple tote, in the back of a Sprinter, (empty or loaded), REQUIRES the operator have a tank endorsement on the CDL. And placards on the vehicle.

I know, have already experienced that, and I do have an X endorsement. (Thank goodness)

And it also requires placarding for each hazard, if you are hauling two totes of different classes, (as I was). And they were empty

ChanceMaster · Apr 23, 2012

I wonder if I will have to resubmit background check , I have current hazmat. ( Michigan) or will this just be ten bucks and a test ?

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mrgoodtude · Apr 23, 2012

ChanceMaster said:
I wonder if I will have to resubmit background check , I have current hazmat. ( Michigan) or will this just be ten bucks and a test ?

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I would imagine just the test and fee since you already have the hazmat endorsement.
Of course it is MI tho...

ChanceMaster · Apr 23, 2012

Tried to find that info on-line, called, put on hold..etc. etc.

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dletheridge · Apr 23, 2012

In Texas, all you would need to do is go take the test and pass it. Don't know if you have hazmat.

purgoose10 · Apr 23, 2012

I just had mine renewed. Haz/test and background. Background everytime and test everytime you renew your CDL A. Must also have your up to date medical card to renew. At least in S.Carolina. They sent me a letter about the background a month before my license expired.
Thats for Hazmat. For tanker just a test.

BigRed32771 · Apr 26, 2012

Notanewbie said:
It's more complicated than that ....

Dry freight drivers may need tank truck endorsement

So a simple tote, in the back of a Sprinter, (empty or loaded), REQUIRES the operator have a tank endorsement on the CDL. And placards on the vehicle.

I know, have already experienced that, and I do have an X endorsement. (Thank goodness)

And it also requires placarding for each hazard, if you are hauling two totes of different classes, (as I was). And they were empty

Ok, I think you're not getting it quite right here. As I read it (and as the dispatchers and responsible people at FDCC did last week when we ran into this), it appears to say that if the individual containers have a rated capacity of more than 119 gallons each AND if the total of the containers present exceeds 1000 gallons, THEN a tanker endorsement is required. The totes we were picking up had a capacity of 275 gallons (weight varies depending on the specific gravity of the contents). Therefore they exceeded 119 gallons each. If there had been 4 of them for a total capacity of 1100 gallons, then I would have needed the endorsement. If only 3, however, the total would have been 825 gallons and because it was under the 1000 gallon trigger point an endorsement would have not been necessary. (The load was 2 totes, so I was good.)

This rule is coming up on a year old, and enforcement appears to be spotty yet. There is also some ambiguity in way it is written which makes it seem as though we might be in a transition stage with full implementation not required until next year. To be on the safe side, get the endorsement as soon as possible if you intend to carry more than 1 or 2 totes at a time. For the record, if I understand it correctly, a Sprinter or van with only 2 totes would probably not ever need to have the endorsement. Placarding is another topic entirely.

Be safe.

iceroadtrucker · May 2, 2012

Yupper there is a lot out here that don't have it. Somtimes the Companies are not pro active enough let your concience be your own guide.

Monty · May 2, 2012

If those totes are hauled on a flatbed, exposed to the view of enforcers, no tank endorsement, or placarding, is needed. If they are hauled inside a closed trailer/straight truck/van, the vehicle MUST be placarded, and the driver MUST have a tanker endorsement.

Landstar and I went round and round about this. I finally called FMCSA and asked for myself.

Exposed, no tanker endorsement and no placarding, since the totes themselves are marked.

Additional: (It appears Charles's post preempted my edit) Stop that!

After going back to the sources, Landstar and FMCSA, the GALLON requirement for a tanker endorsement is 1,000 gallons.

The placard rerquirement is inside an enclosed vehicle.

And, Charles, as was just explained to me, the reason for the requirement is surge of the product. So I would imagine if you were hauling more than 1,000 gallons of crstyal clear water, it would still be required. This entire regulation has zero to do with hazard class re: the tanker endorsement, and every thing to do with the behavior of the product inside the container.

Concealed, tanker endorsement and placarding required.

CharlesD · May 2, 2012

So if the liquid in these things is not hazardous, does placarding still apply?

We've started coming across this recently with freight we're quoting. Load isn't listed as hazmat, but the broker comes back and says it's liquid and asks if the driver has the tanker endorsement.

pearlpro · May 2, 2012

Tank Endorsement (N) — Further testing is required to drive a vehicle designed to carry any liquid or gaseous material within a tank that is permanently or temporarily attached to the vehicle or the chassis.

A CDL holder requiring a Hazardous Materials Endorsement (HME) must complete a Transportation Security Administration (TSA) form and submit to a fingerprint background check.

I assume a test and submission of fingerprints and TSA from is whats required, This is for Illinois to get the N Endorsement for Tankers.

It says a Knowledge exam is required for Illinois Tank Endorsement, N