OBama has much to learn...

OntarioVanMan

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Much to learn from our health care

If Obama looked at our successes and failures, he could avoid making the same mistakes
Jul 19, 2009 04:30 AM

Tom Campbell

As President Barack Obama drafts his health-care plan, he could profit from reviewing the successes and shortcomings of the Canadian system that has operated successfully for more than 40 years. Canada spends more than a third less per capita on health than the United States and still covers everyone, whereas the U.S. system leaves 46 million people without insurance.

Since our health statistics are markedly better, average Americans would be healthier and live longer if they lived in Canada. Here, doctors do not have to waste time seeking insurance approvals. Medical need is the only requirement and pre-existing conditions don't matter. The reduction in the bloated overheads and bureaucracy among insurance companies and government is one of the secrets to our lower costs. If the U.S. were to copy this, it could save $1 trillion a year and cover everyone. The lower costs would also help make employers more competitive.

In our system, wait times have been the largest complaint but some progress is being made. We do have a good referral system, which means that urgent cases mostly get treated in a timely fashion, hence our excellent health statistics.

The Canadian health plan remains our most popular government program. However, if we could start over, we could transform a very good system into a great one. Our main obstacle to reform is the very success of the system to date. Politicians admit privately that reforms are needed but they hesitate to speak out. This does not make for thoughtful debate.

Most problems stem from one cause. From the beginning, we ignored advice and made taxes the single source of funding. But there never are sufficient revenues for an open-ended system. This is why we struggle with scarcity of staff and equipment. While the U.S. probably spends too much on health care, Canada needs to spend more. We have to pay the price if we want a first-class system.

Our system, while very good, is due for an upgrade. But it is not realistic to expect Canadian governments to increase their share. Health-care costs have been climbing to the point where they are crowding out other essentials such as education and welfare, which are also important determinants of health and happiness. Increasing taxes is not recommended as Canadians are already overtaxed. If we want our economy to thrive so we can afford these services, we have to be sensitive to these issues.

When the government is the only payer, it rules out market signals that improve service and efficiency. We provide free coverage for minor services so we don't always have enough resources for timely major services. A more sensible system, while excluding no one, would include co-payments for front-end costs up to a reasonable maximum, depending on the patient's ability to pay.

Only an adequately funded universal health plan can protect all of us from major and catastrophic occurrences. But there will never be adequate funding if we continue to rely solely on government to provide for every minor expense.

Co-payments based on income would introduce a new source of funding to remedy this imbalance. It would encourage improved service rather than rationing. It would offer incentives for patients and providers to do the right thing. The more affluent would pay modest co-payments so the system could provide first-class service for all, rich and poor alike. This proposal would set the top co-payment at $2,500 a year for those earning more than $100,000, tapering to zero for those with incomes less than $25,000. In comparison, U.S. private premiums can be $15,000 a year plus co-payments.

Existing levels of tax funding should remain as a floor upon which the system can be upgraded. Funds should be distributed the same way as university funding through an impartial commission. Government's role would then be to set standards, which it can do well, rather than to micromanage, where it is not so good. New revenue based on service provided would create an incentive for hospitals, which now receive global budgets, to provide more timely service rather than rationing it through wait times.

New sources of funding would empower Adam Smith's concept of the invisible hand that matches services with resources. Waiting lists would be reduced as hospitals could use their facilities more efficiently. Surgeons, who now complain of lack of operating room time, could treat more people. Additional funding could make possible a major drug plan and keep pace with best equipment and practices. Surveys have shown that the public, while supporting our system, is aware that it needs upgrading.

These changes would make our public system more efficient and faster to respond. However, private health-care providers, unlike now, should be permitted to compete. Restrictions now placed on the ability of citizens voluntarily to access private care are a violation of our civil rights.

The United States has an opportunity to make a fresh start. While the Canadian system, if applied to the U.S. and pro-rated for the larger economy, would save it a $1 trillion a year and cover its whole population, the U.S. reforms now being considered could cost an additional $1 trillion over the next 10 years. These higher costs will represent an enormous additional burden on employers and taxpayers.

Obama's expressed hope that his health-care plan can be budget neutral will, in all probability, prove illusory. In the current unprecedented climate of spending and deficits, Americans would be wise to consider the economies that are available in a public system similar to Canada's. While America's ultimate system may end up quite different from ours, it would nevertheless profit from thinking carefully about what works in our system and what needs improving.

Tom Campbell is a former deputy minister of health and deputy minister of treasury and economics for Ontario.
 

layoutshooter

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The Canadian plan is far more interesting than what Obama wants. It really has only ONE main problem, the government is involved. That is NEVER a good thing. We COULD do more for less IF the government stays OUT of it. We won't though, it would take effort on everyones part. We have become too lazy to work at this. One other note, that guy is using a figure of 46 million un-insured, where does that figure come from? It it tossed around like fact but NO ONE ever backs it up. Besides, since when was health insurance a RIGHT? It is possible that it insurance itself is one of the reasons that health care costs so much. Maybe we should OUTLAW health insurance, bet cost would drop like a rock then. Just a thought.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I would say when the people as in We the people want it....

Like it or not Joe...One of OBamas' platforms was health care reform....in some form or another.....

46 million...I think he was quoting US sources where ever that came from...the number seems low to me....
 

layoutshooter

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I think that the 46 million figure is bogus. They offer NO proof of that number. Even IF it is correct that means that over 300 million ARE covered. Why will it cost a TRILLION dollars for only ten years to cover JUST those that they CLAIM are un-insured? There is far more to this than providing health care. It is NOT an attempt to help people in need, it IS a move to take control of the economy and the People. Sheeple are falling for it hook, line and sinker.
 

OntarioVanMan

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For me Joe...I am going to sit on my porch and watch all the pieces come together in my lifetime..and I'll not get stressed out over it and have a heart attack...am going to enjoy what is left of this old life and watch sun rises and beautiful sunsets....and wear out a few fishin poles...:)
 

layoutshooter

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Yeah, I wish I could just sit back and do what I like for the remainder of my life, they are going to outlaw it.
 

layoutshooter

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LOL!! No, not dead and buried. As for what I want to do with my life, they are just waiting for the right time to outlaw what I like to do. The bill is already written, Nancy is just biding her time, it will happen within the next year or just after the 2010 elections.
 

OntarioVanMan

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LOL!! No, not dead and buried. As for what I want to do with my life, they are just waiting for the right time to outlaw what I like to do. The bill is already written, Nancy is just biding her time, it will happen within the next year or just after the 2010 elections.

I told ya Joe..You are ready... a little plot of land in the remote west.....and disappear from all this nonsense...basically you have what 3 maybe 4 presidential elections left of good life?...:eek:
 

Poorboy

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The Canadian plan is far more interesting than what Obama wants. It really has only ONE main problem, the government is involved. That is NEVER a good thing. We COULD do more for less IF the government stays OUT of it. We won't though, it would take effort on everyones part. We have become too lazy to work at this. One other note, that guy is using a figure of 46 million un-insured, where does that figure come from? It it tossed around like fact but NO ONE ever backs it up. Besides, since when was health insurance a RIGHT? It is possible that it insurance itself is one of the reasons that health care costs so much. Maybe we should OUTLAW health insurance, bet cost would drop like a rock then. Just a thought.

"IF" The 46 Million is Correct, Then How Many of those are ILLegal Aliens? I'll Betcha there are Quite A-Lot of them that the Government has No Intestinal Fortitude to do anything about! Just Look at California, How they Cater to them and that's Only a Part of them!!:mad:
 

OntarioVanMan

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I suppose the insurance companies would know....a total of all people insured and subtract the population...

If you were to subtract the 10-12 million illegals...btw where they'd come up with that number?

Now we are are talking about roughly 10% of the population with no coverage....all this crap for 10 misley percent....
 

layoutshooter

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I told ya Joe..You are ready... a little plot of land in the remote west.....and disappear from all this nonsense...basically you have what 3 maybe 4 presidential elections left of good life?...:eek:

We shall see, it is very hard to find land that has everything that you need to live off of it.Water is such a big problem in much of the west. Out here we have plenty of water but not much game. Lots of fish though. As to the number of elections, 2012 may be the last one if Barry gets his way.
 
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