None Dare Call It Marxism

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I will, barry is a Marxist...pickup a copy of the "Communist Manifesto" by Karl Marx and you will see where barry is coming from...but thats what this article is about....

None Dare Call It Marxism

by David Limbaugh
Friday, July 03, 2009
David Limbaugh : None Dare Call It Marxism - Townhall.com

right already. I won't call Obama a Marxist in this column. Instead, I'll point to some signs that indicate that Barack and Karl might well be soul mates. At least, they have similar attitudes about capital, labor and profits, er, surplus value.

Liberals, even those of the Marxist variety, take umbrage when you point out their ideological kinship with Marxism.

I suppose this dates back to the days when being a communist was tantamount to being an enemy of the United States, in that there was a global communist movement intent on -- and coming darn close to -- world domination. Though global communism has been defeated, there remains a strong contingent among us, whose nerve center is the Democratic Party leadership under President Obama, committed to obliterating America's free market.

Without getting into the intricacies of Marxist theory, suffice it to say that at the core of this political and economic philosophy is a belief in the historical class struggle. The capitalist (bourgeois) exploits the industrial worker (proletarian) by underpaying him and adding on unnecessary charges to the prices of goods and services, driving up costs to the consumer, and pocketing the profits.

In "Basic Economics," Thomas Sowell puts it this way: "Profits may be the most misconceived subject in economics. Socialists have long regarded profits as simply 'overcharge,' as Fabian socialist George Bernard Shaw called it, or a 'surplus value' as Karl Marx called it." The theory is that under socialism or Marxism, these surplus charges would be eliminated and goods and services would become more affordable.

But in reality, socialism doesn't make goods and services more affordable, but less so. As Dr. Sowell explains: "The hope for profits and the threat of losses is what forces a business owner in a capitalist economy to produce at the lowest cost and sell what the customers are most willing to pay for. ... Under socialism (there is) far less incentive to be as efficient ... much less to keep up with changing conditions and respond to them quickly." With less incentive for efficiencies and cost control, the prices of goods might well be higher.

Profits are not arbitrary charges added on to the costs of producing goods and services; nor are they attributable to artificially high prices charged by those motivated by greed. Indeed, writes Sowell, most of the great fortunes in American history were amassed when entrepreneurs were able to reduce costs and charge lower prices and to increase their volume sales to mass markets.

You get the point. Capitalists don't view profits as evil or the product of greed. Their opponents -- call them Marxists, fascists, socialists, radical liberals or whatever -- do. Which brings us back to Barack Obama.

Both his father, Barack Obama Sr., and his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, were communists. His church of choice was one of black liberation theology, whose Marxist roots are inarguable. He associated with far leftists on the "organizing" streets of Chicago, including Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

Mentorship and associations are one thing, but what have Obama's words and actions revealed about his attitudes toward labor, capital, profits and government control of business and industry?

Well, he said that he would raise capital gains tax rates, even if it reduced revenues, as a matter of fairness. It's only fair to make everyone poorer if you believe profits are inherently evil.

He told Joe the Plumber he wants to spread the wealth around. He talked about confiscating Exxon Mobil's profits and giving them to consumers, saying "they are not going to give up those profits easily." He called Chrysler creditors "speculators" and castigated them for refusing to accept his extortionist reorganization plan. He berated Wall Street for making profits, saying "now is not (the) time" for them to "rake in profits." He and his wife even railed against the pursuit of profit in their respective commencement addresses.

He abused the power of his office to steal money from GM and Chrysler shareholders and transfer it to the proletariat, I mean, the United Auto Workers. He redistributed taxpayer money from those who have paid their mortgages to those who have not.

He is desperately trying to spread the misery and impoverish businesses and individuals through his cap and tax plan, which no proponent of economic growth and prosperity would consider supporting. And in addition to gobbling up other businesses and industries, he is trying to nationalize medicine -- to siphon off the evil surplus value charged by doctors and insurance companies -- on the flawed Marxist theory that he can reduce costs overall, when the reason health care costs have already skyrocketed is that market forces have been suppressed in the industry.

You don't have to call him a Marxist, but at least understand where his heart is.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
But it isn't Marxism, this is a form of socialism called Fascism.

Everything that has been done by Obama or the congress of late has been done either in Italy, France or Germany at one time or another. The people fall for the same propganda - the best one is "change we can beleive in", that was used by the brownshirts in places like Berlin.

We have not seen the trashing of the entire constitution or a change in government like in Russia, we haven't see real take over of industries just companies. When we see wholesale take over of industries, then it is true Marxism.

If one wants to actually read something that will show you the path of these changes we are facing, read the following;

The Study of Administration
Constitutional Government of the United States
Both by Woodrow Wilson

Then read the speeches of TR from 1912 to 1914.

And Philip Dru, administrator (that will be what we will have with our health care system).
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Greg wrote:

We have not seen the trashing of the entire constitution or a change in government like in Russia, we haven't see real take over of industries just companies. When we see wholesale take over of industries, then it is true Marxism.

LOL, yes he is a socialist running a fasist agenda, but his actions also show he is a marxist, he is well on his way to doing exactly both of the above and closer then most think...the key word in your post is "Entire"..but he will make he way thru it 1 article by another...as for taking over industry...please he stole bith chyrsler and GM from the bondholders and what is he doing but slowly forcing the health insures out of business if he gets his healthcare...the energy industries?? even if the senate kills cao & tax, the will have the EPA inpose it as regulation without the need for it becoming law....killing the coal and oil industries ...and watch how quickly he imposes rstrictions and starts to grab companies that start to pullup stakes and head overseas when they are hit with the need to buy more energy credits to stay in business here....

He is a marxist...
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I'm not saying he isn't, just what is happening right now isn't.

The take over of Chrysler and GM sits with the workers of the companies more than anyone else. They were the one's who supported a union that placed demands on the administration and now we have a new foreign car company and one that is pretty much owned and run by the government, the industry is not taken over. Health care will be the same thing, it will be like the Italy where they ran the system but didn't own it.

I can't buy a GM product as much as I don't want to buy a b*stardised chrysler product because of the twisted logic that the worker has a stake in the company - they don't.

Marxism doctrine is ownership, not just control It is all in the name of the workers, not the investors - you already know this but others are too blind by the star sitting in the wh.
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
it is incremental, socialism, facism, oligarchy, and marxism we are well on our way...

as for the workers being to blame... yea but not equally...while they will own the companies FOR NOW, they will fail again and they will either be gone totally or taken over totally by the government... and the workers didn't steal the bondholders stake and make them 2nd fiddle, that was barry and his minions 100%...

healthcare, i have to disagree, sooner then we think it will be a single payer system and all private insurance forced out for the avg worker... yes the rich will still beable to buy their own aay from the gov or pay cash for care, but the private companies will not beable to compete and will fold...again buy the hand of the "public insurer".....
 
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