Leniency kills

[LDB]

Illinois (of course) judge sentences criminal who kidnapped and raped a 14 year old girl to 4 years. Criminal gets out in 2 years. Criminal moves to Georgia and murders a coed.

More Grief for Melendi Family | NBC Miami


Unfortunately it didn't happen but the Illinois judge should have been charged with accessory to murder in the death of this young woman. Hinton should have been castrated at the very least and really should have been executed for what he did to the 14 year old girl. He absolutely should have been executed after the murder considering his past history. BUT HE'S ELIGIBLE FOR RELEASE NEXT YEAR! It is insane that we don't execute more of those who deserve it.

 

[Turtle]

Here's a post from Usenet that's from a newspaper article in 2005. It's about the killer, his history, and about his Baptist preacher father and just how screwed up his life was while growing up. It defies belief, except that it happened in Kentucky Coal Country, which explains a lot, unfortunately (get mad at me for that, I don't care). The end of the article is prophetic, that's fore sure.

Castrated? That's very lenient. After reading the above, many will want to go down there right now and carry out a death sentence themselves.

If they don't, they will after reading this, from 2006, the details of the Georgia killing:
Murderer Details Crime to ABC News

 

[skyraider]

When i read stuff like this, maybe some fine neighbors should have a meeting and handle this in a discrete manner with no fan fair and the bad guys who do get away with these awful crimes might fall down some stairs if u know what I mean. There might be some other folks in America who would like to be a part of these fine neighbors who save others from being a victim of such criminals. HMMMMMMMM but of course that is illegal for fine neighbors to handle things of this manner and its always best to let our police and wonderful lawyers to handle the criminals. mercy .....................

 

[Brisco]

I remember this story on a 20/20 or Dateline NBC show, or something like that.

Just spent about half an hour reading all the links you guys posted. Then I googled his name and read a couple of other stories. Have to ask though, In every article I read that pertains to his life sentencing, they clearly state his first chance at parole WAS in the year 2019. I can't find anything that relates to his first parole hearing being changed to the year 2011. Did he win some sort of court hearing changing his first parole hearing to 2011??

I doubt very very seriously that he'll see the light of day as a free man again, and I am with others that say the death penalty should have been applied in this case. But, they did convict him without a body and he didn't confess to what happened until all of his appeals were exhausted. If he had confessed to the kidnapping, to the rape, to the murder and the state had found evidence supporting his confession (burned fragments of her remains) before his trial had started, then Yes, this guy would be sitting on Death Row today.

If he does make parole any time during his life and sees freedom again, I'd be glad to join the Butch lynching party with a chainsaw, logs, and gasoline for the Butch bonfire myself. Know what I mean.

 

[skyraider]

Yes i know what u mean, but we must observe our illustrious law enforcement agencies and the clown lawyers ( I do apologize for calling lawyers clowns, please strike from the record), what I meant to say those idiot attorneys, well I do say, I must apologize again for an uncalled for remark aimed at the entire law staff in this country and so forth. U know that word aimed is a unique word. Hmmmm. Well moving right along with southern hospitality, it appears that are a lot of fine law abiding citizens that r upset over criminals mention in these threads. We need to have a meeting to find better ways to help our local law enforcement folks to apprehend the bad dudes, don't u think???

 

[Turtle]

Just spent about half an hour reading all the links you guys posted. Then I googled his name and read a couple of other stories. Have to ask though, In every article I read that pertains to his life sentencing, they clearly state his first chance at parole WAS in the year 2019. I can't find anything that relates to his first parole hearing being changed to the year 2011.

The top of the page, first line below the story headline, at the link LBD posted, it's 2011. First link I posted, it's 2011. The second link I posted they say 2019, and it's the only place I've seen that number in connection with his parole. I think that one's a mistake, since I haven't seen that number again, and in every other one I've read (other than the ones that directly references the "incorrect" article) they all say 14 years or 2011.

If you do a search for "Colvin Hinton Parole 2019" you get very fews hits, most not dealing with Colvin Hinton at all (with the "2019" number being a street address or something equally irrelevant), and the only ones that do which state 2019 as the parole date are the ones directly referencing the NBC story above. The same search with 2011 in place of 2019 get many more hits, most of the dealing with his parole date. One of them is a letter from a Georgia Congresswoman to the Georgia Parole board asking them to deny his parole in 2011.

Can't find (and admittedly didn't look very hard) the actual court decision and sentencing, but I did find this from the State of Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles

Parole Eligibility: When and Who
Offenders serving a life sentence are generally considered after serving 14 years (violent offenses committed after Jan. 1, 1995) or seven years (drug offenses). Most life-sentenced offenders convicted of violent offenses committed before 1995 were eligible for parole after seven years and have already received their initial parole consideration.

After the initial parole hearing (which it appears is always denied for lifers in Georgia) they are "set-off" for a maximum of 8 years (but it's pretty much always 8 years) and then they are granted another look automatically. If parole is denied the second time, it's another 8 years before they come up for parole again, and then another 8 years and so on ad infinitum.

After maintaining his innocence throughout the trial and the entire appeal process, his full confession well after the fact is an indication he (or at least his lawyer) knows that a full confession replete with remorse is his only shot at being paroled at all, since that's what Parole Boards like to see. I don't think he'll get out any time soon, if ever.

I'm still noy buying the whole bonfire in the back yard thing, as there was no trace whatsoever of that girl's body in the ashes. Nothing. I think he's killed more women than we know about, and that girl's body is right there with the rest of 'em, which is why he won't tell authorities where she is, and came up with the bonfire nonsense to cover the other murders.

 

[Pilgrim]

Here's a post from Usenet that's from a newspaper article in 2005. It's about the killer, his history, and about his Baptist preacher father and just how screwed up his life was while growing up. It defies belief, except that it happened in Kentucky Coal Country, which explains a lot, unfortunately (get mad at me for that, I don't care). The end of the article is prophetic, that's fore sure.

Castrated? That's very lenient. After reading the above, many will want to go down there right now and carry out a death sentence themselves.

If they don't, they will after reading this, from 2006, the details of the Georgia killing:
Murderer Details Crime to ABC News

Unfortunately, crazy and evil are not limited to geographical location, heredity or environment. Examples of barbaric behavior in today's society are all too common and they come from the suburbs, the sticks and the ghettos. The following crime didn't get nearly the national attention it deserved in spite of being a heinous hate crime by anyone's definition:

Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This young couple was brutally tortured and murdered by five sub-human punks, but the news coverage was pretty much confined to the southeastern region of the country. Fortunately, the human debris was convicted and sentenced - unfortunately, the ringleader was the only one to get the death penalty, and it's likely he'll die of old age before he sees the needles. Too bad public hanging isn't still in practice - seeing these scumbags swinging from a gallows on the courthouse lawn might make some aspiring perps think twice before their next carjacking.

 

[Turtle]

Swift, public executions used to be a deterrent. Now they are neither swift or public, and thus deter no one.

 

[witness23]

Swift, public executions used to be a deterrent. Now they are neither swift or public, and thus deter no one.

If a criminal wants to commit a crime serious enough to risk himself being on display, "hanging from a gallow" on public square, I am afraid seeing such acts, swift or not, would not deter someone that deranged. If they have it in them to commit such crimes as stated in earlier posts, a head on a stake on public square isn't going to stop him/her from submitting to the urges they have. These type of people do not look at the consequences of their action(s) but look to satisfy a need deep inside that I will never understand.

To me, when you hear people say "hang 'em", "put a bullet in his head", "castrate him", "lynch 'em", "let's get the neighbors together and have a "meeting"....etc, etc it is then not justice they are looking for but revenge. Especially when you are listening to a bunch of bloggers write about what they would do, even if the act wasn't perpetrated upon them or their family. If revenge is what you are looking for, then do it, quit talking over a computer on what you "would" do, do it, quit talkin' and do it! Pull the lever to the gallow, pull the trigger to send that bullet into that persons head, swing the butcher knife to castrate a man, throw the rope over that tree branch and place noose around a man's neck. These horrendous acts were not done to you or to your family, so for you to sit here and fantasize about taking another human beings life by hanging, shooting, castration or whatever else, you seem a little sick yourself.

I guarantee you, none of you, none of you in here would be able to go threw with the things you say should happen to a person that has no connection with you or your family. You're all talk, that is why you spend all your time in a forum, bunch of cowards!

 

[LDB]

Castration is not revenge, it is a guaranteed solution to most male sex criminals. Will the possibility of castration be enough to stop them all? No, but it will stop some of them. For those who are convicted with DNA or other irrefutable proof surgical castration. You can't trust them to take the meds for chemical castration. They're criminals after all. Will public hangings deter all crime? No. Will they deter some crime? Yes.

 

[Turtle]

If a criminal wants to commit a crime serious enough to risk himself being on display, "hanging from a gallow" on public square, I am afraid seeing such acts, swift or not, would not deter someone that deranged.

Well, you can be afraid all you want, but in the past when we had swift, public executions in this country, including the Gary Gilmore firing squad, the statistics on violent crimes fell through the basement for weeks or months after each execution. This isn't mere conjecture and up for debate, it happened and is verifiable. It absolutely, without question, deterred violent crime. Robberies, rapes, murders, assaults, all of them decrease in the aftermath of a publicized execution as if an OFF switch had been thrown on potential crime.

If they have it in them to commit such crimes as stated in earlier posts, a head on a stake on public square isn't going to stop him/her from submitting to the urges they have. These type of people do not look at the consequences of their action(s) but look to satisfy a need deep inside that I will never understand.

Some yes, some no. There will always be those who have urges that nothing will stifle, but there are also plenty who's urges can be startled by a little reality now and again.

To me, when you hear people say "hang 'em", "put a bullet in his head", "castrate him", "lynch 'em", "let's get the neighbors together and have a "meeting"....etc, etc it is then not justice they are looking for but revenge.

That's exactly correct. Punishment in whatever manner it comes is not about justice, it's about society at large getting revenge. Restitution and "eye for an eye" is justice. Justice is about making someone who has been harmed "whole" again. Everything else beyond that is revenge. When someone does something bad to society, society wants its pound of flesh in revenge. It's as simple as that. When someone continues to assault society, justice isn't locking them up or executing them, it's about the revenge of removing them from society completely to prevent another assault.

Especially when you are listening to a bunch of bloggers write about what they would do, even if the act wasn't perpetrated upon them or their family. If revenge is what you are looking for, then do it, quit talking over a computer on what you "would" do, do it, quit talkin' and do it! Pull the lever to the gallow, pull the trigger to send that bullet into that persons head, swing the butcher knife to castrate a man, throw the rope over that tree branch and place noose around a man's neck.

And that's exactly what we as a society do, usually through the criminal justice system.

These horrendous acts were not done to you or to your family, so for you to sit here and fantasize about taking another human beings life by hanging, shooting, castration or whatever else, you seem a little sick yourself.

Welcome to the real world.

I guarantee you, none of you, none of you in here would be able to go threw with the things you say should happen to a person that has no connection with you or your family.

It's called a Representative Republic for a reason. We elect representatives who put laws and punishments into place to prevent, as a society, from each of us being forced to become vigilantes to extract justice and punishment.

You're all talk, that is why you spend all your time in a forum, bunch of cowards!

Bite me.

 

[witness23]

Well, you can be afraid all you want, but in the past when we had swift, public executions in this country, including the Gary Gilmore firing squad, the statistics on violent crimes fell through the basement for weeks or months after each execution. This isn't mere conjecture and up for debate, it happened and is verifiable. It absolutely, without question, deterred violent crime. Robberies, rapes, murders, assaults, all of them decrease in the aftermath of a publicized execution as if an OFF switch had been thrown on potential crime..

I would be interested in seeing the stats that you are saying went down and how long they stayed down and what crimes after said "public execution" were kept track of. Like I hi-lited in red above, other than murder, we are talking about crimes that are not relelvant to the stories in this thread. If you have a link or a key word for me to search I would absolutely be interested in checking out the facts you have stated above.

Some yes, some no. There will always be those who have urges that nothing will stifle, but there are also plenty who's urges can be startled by a little reality now and again..

Yep.

That's exactly correct. Punishment in whatever manner it comes is not about justice, it's about society at large getting revenge. Restitution and "eye for an eye" is justice. Justice is about making someone who has been harmed "whole" again. Everything else beyond that is revenge. When someone does something bad to society, society wants its pound of flesh in revenge. It's as simple as that. When someone continues to assault society, justice isn't locking them up or executing them, it's about the revenge of removing them from society completely to prevent another assault..

And that is why we have laws, because we are a civilized country as a whole. Basically my point was that you have people in here talking about vigilante justice, mob rule, lynch mobs, that would not have the stomach for what it takes to go through with what they are suggesting in this thread.

And that's exactly what we as a society do, usually through the criminal justice system..

You do not have to tell me, tell your fellow Soapboxers that are suggesting taking the law into their own hands.

Welcome to the real world..

Hate to break this to you, but the internet is not the real world.

It's called a Representative Republic for a reason. We elect representatives who put laws and punishments into place to prevent, as a society, from each of us being forced to become vigilantes to extract justice and punishment..

Not sure why you are telling me this, I am not the one speaking of (in my best mob family accent),

"Hey Stevie, maybe some fine neighbors should have a meeting and handle this in a discrete manner with no fan fair and the bad guys who do get away with these awful crimes might fall down some stairs if u know what I mean. ."

or

We need to have a meeting to find better ways to help our local law enforcement folks to apprehend the bad dudes, don't u think???

Then you have this:

Too bad public hanging isn't still in practice - seeing these scumbags swinging from a gallows on the courthouse lawn might make some aspiring perps think twice before their next carjacking.

Yeah....alrighty then, comparing a young couple being brutally tortured and murdered to car jacking??? Hey, if car jacking and being brutally tortured and murdered carried the same punishment, then I think maybe the "aspiring perp" would think twice. It almost sounds like some(not all) here are almost in favor of Sharia Law.

The whole reason for the original post was that the man was let go after kidnapping and raping a 14 year old girl and should have been executed on the spot. Bad things happen and bad things happen to good people, talk about welcome to the real world.

Bite me.

No thanks.

 

[Turtle]

I would be interested in seeing the stats that you are saying went down and how long they stayed down and what crimes after said "public execution" were kept track of. Like I hi-lited in red above, other than murder, we are talking about crimes that are not relelvant to the stories in this thread. If you have a link or a key word for me to search I would absolutely be interested in checking out the facts you have stated above.

First of all, yes, the crimes I mentioned are relevant to the stories in this thread. (Robberies, rapes, murders, assaults) The subject of the thread has a history of all of the above. But what unites them even if he didn't is they are all violent crimes, which is what drops historically after a public execution. Secondly, no I don't have a link or a search word for you. There are books, perhaps hundreds written on the subject. And I'm sure that somewhere deep within the FBI Crime Statistics the raw numbers can be had, since those are the numbers from which many of the books obtained their data. The phenomena of a decrease in violent crime is one that is well known, and has been used many times in many state legislatures and courtrooms arguments to support the death penalty.

And that is why we have laws, because we are a civilized country as a whole. Basically my point was that you have people in here talking about vigilante justice, mob rule, lynch mobs, that would not have the stomach for what it takes to go through with what they are suggesting in this thread.

For some, maybe even many, you're probably right. But mob mentality and rage is a funny thing and cannot always be predicted.

You do not have to tell me, tell your fellow Soapboxers that are suggesting taking the law into their own hands.

I obviously missed where someone said they were going to take the law into their own hands. Wanting to and actually doing it are clearly two different things. People want fair and swift justice (and/or revenge if it pleases you to call it that) because they know that swift justice is the best way to ease the suffering on society and to deter crime. When justice isn't handed out swiftly or the punishment doesn't fit the crime, people are outraged and frustrations can explode.

Hate to break this to you, but the internet is not the real world.

I hate to break it right back to you, but I never said it was. In fact, I, probably more than anyone here have said that very thing. I've said it a thousand times over the years, and it still holds true, the Internet ain't real, it's the funny papers. That doesn't mean the opinions expressed here aren't the same exact opinions that would be expressed in the real world, however, since they are often exactly the same.

Yeah....alrighty then, comparing a young couple being brutally tortured and murdered to car jacking???

Well, both are violent crimes, so there certainly can be a comparison. But everything else is theoretical and hypothetical, and largely straw man.

It almost sounds like some(not all) here are almost in favor of Sharia Law.

See, now there's a classic logical fallacy where you attempt to associate someone with something bad, in order to therefore, ergo, and thus, make them bad. It's like gays trying to make Gay Rights the same as Civil Rights, and then saying to someone, "You surely aren't mean and evil enough to be against Civil Rights, are you?!?!" Well, of course they aren't, and they don't want to be thought of as being mean and evil and against Civil Rights, so it might make them soften on Gay Rights. Attempting to equate someone who wants justice applied swiftly and publicly so as to deter crime with someone who favors totalitarian Sharia Law is a pure logical fallacy expressly for the purpose of manipulating someone, and you should be ashamed for attempting it. Then again, it's the bread and butter of liberal thinking to do that, likely because their own minds are so easily manipulated, so I forgive you.

You're all talk, that is why you spend all your time in a forum, bunch of cowards!

Bite me.

No thanks.

Then don't judge me for being here on a forum and call me a coward unless you're willing to back it up.

 

[skyraider]

Ones emotions can get the best of u when reading about violent crime. Yes vigilante action if u will can lead to innocent people getting hurt. Not recommended to take the law into ur own hands. It does make one or can make one extremely frustrated/angry when criminals are turned loose through the system to hurt someone again and again. It happens all the time as if the judicial system looses it mind and releases bad people into society to cause harm or death to innocent folks.

So how do we stop the stupidity of releasing criminals over and over??

 

[Pilgrim]

I guarantee you, none of you, none of you in here would be able to go threw with the things you say should happen to a person that has no connection with you or your family. You're all talk, that is why you spend all your time in a forum, bunch of cowards!

You are in no position to make such a guarantee, much less that type of character judgement. People sit on juries every day and pass death sentences onto criminals who commit atrocities to victims that are complete strangers to them - and they do it with very little, if any remorse. You must have no children - especially daughters - otherwise you would be able to muster an inkling of empathy with the father whose daughter was tortured and murdered by the human debris described in the story I linked. Being a father of daughters myself, I can guarantee you this: if that had happened to one of my girls, and I had the opportunity to take mortal revenge on the perps I would do so without hesitation. Of course neither one of us can begin to identify with the anguish experienced by the parents of these kids. But to be consumed by grief and obsessed with revenge might approach what that father must feel to this day. In the final analysis, it's rather presumptuous of you to transpose your own timid cowardice on the rest of us.

 

[LDB]

I have two daughters. I have two good sons in law. Before they married I told both of them there's one absolute rule. Anyone who hurts my daughter will answer to me first. If the one who hurts my daughter is not dead prior to me then they can do as they please at that point but not to plan on having much left to retaliate against. Watch the Liam Neeson movie Taken for an idea of what a father of daughters is capable of and would do.

 

[witness23]

Then don't judge me for being here on a forum and call me a coward unless you're willing to back it up.

Not sure what you are trying to prove here Turtle? The only thing I had a opinion about what you said is what is quoted below.
Originally Posted by Turtle

Swift, public executions used to be a deterrent. Now they are neither swift or public, and thus deter no one.

I merely didn't agree with your assesment that public executions deter crimes such as the ones stated in this thread.
So for you to think I was calling you a coward is quite perplexing. What did you say for me to call you a coward. Strange.

The other part of my post was about those that were advocating vigilante justice, as I specifically pointed out in my post. I do not see any remarks from you agreeing or disagreeing with what others were saying. I think you can figure out to whom I was calling cowards.

If you thought my entire original post was directed at you and only you, then I will make sure I am more clear in the future.

 

[witness23]

Ones emotions can get the best of u when reading about violent crime. Yes vigilante action if u will can lead to innocent people getting hurt. Not recommended to take the law into ur own hands.

You are exactly right skyraider. It's funny, but the person most of my post was aimed at, is the one who get's it! For the love of God! Emotions can get the best of you, absolutely, cooler heads must prevail as you said above, "innocent people can be hurt." Again, we are talking about crimes that were not committed against you or your family.

It does make one or can make one extremely frustrated/angry when criminals are turned loose through the system to hurt someone again and again. It happens all the time as if the judicial system looses it mind and releases bad people into society to cause harm or death to innocent folks.

I agree totally. Except for the part getting the neighbors together and helping law enforcement out in their duties. That would be the last thing they would need.

So how do we stop the stupidity of releasing criminals over and over??

If I knew that I am pretty sure I wouldn't be here on the Soapbox Forum having this discussion.

 

[skyraider]

On the days when my emotions say 12 ga. the bad guys , yep I m ready to waste them. The next day,,I calm. I to have a daughter and 6 grand kids. If something happened to them by a criminal idiot, I may not be so cool. I do have a few friends from the war days in Asia, they have no hesitancy in their mind to waste a criminal if they hurt any of their family., u can take that to the bank ......

 

[witness23]

You are in no position to make such a guarantee, much less that type of character judgement.

I would bet my life on it.

People sit on juries every day and pass death sentences onto criminals who commit atrocities to victims that are complete strangers to them - and they do it with very little, if any remorse.

You quote my statement and yet still do not comprehend. Let me make it clear, I am speaking of vigilante justice towards someone that has no connection to you or your family, such as the stories that were posted in the thread and the comments that followed. Now that that is cleared up(hopefully), your above statement is absolutely true because they are going through the Judicial System !

You must have no children - especially daughters - otherwise you would be able to muster an inkling of empathy with the father whose daughter was tortured and murdered by the human debris described in the story I linked.

I would think I wouldn't have to respond to the above from what I've already made clear but just in case. I do have children and I have empathy for the father or anyone else who is a victim of a violant crime.

Being a father of daughters myself, I can guarantee you this: if that had happened to one of my girls, and I had the opportunity to take mortal revenge on the perps I would do so without hesitation.

Guess what.....and if I were on the jury, I would find you not guilty and let you walk a free man.

In the final analysis, it's rather presumptuous of you to transpose your own timid cowardice on the rest of us.

If you thought I was talking about a violent crime committed to you or your family, then the above statement is a fair one. You know what though? I would still bet my life, Heaven forbid, that something happened to your family that you or anyone else in here would take it upon yourself to bring "justice" to another outside of our courts.

Believe it or not, that is actually a compliment.