Just Curious...who is for Obama?

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Good post Crazynuff. I think you hit the nail on the head. It is sad to have to go to the polls with that intention but it seems that is what politics has become.
Almost 20 years has past with two families controlling the white house. We need a change. Is Obama a good change? I don't know, but I do know that McCain and Hillary are business as usual. You can count on that.
 

Falligator

Expert Expediter
Ok here are differences between the candidates and their healthcare plans. I like Hillary’s because you have the option to take the same benefits that congress is getting, but at what price?
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/healthcare/



Osama’s plan sounds nice, but who’s going to be onboard?
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
It seems like, after looking through their websites that Obama and Hillary both have good plans, but while Obama's sounds nice, I have a lot of trouble seeing everyone getting on board. Hillary has the experience and knows how to work both parties and get these things passed. So therefore, I'm leaning towards Hillary. And after watching her talk about gas prices the other day with no mention of it from Obama.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OK here is my take on this, and I know you all waited for it J

Of course not, I will not vote for Obama, I don’t vote for racist people

First off I don’t trust anyone who comes from Chicago political machine, and he does. He is the status quo as they come, he had to compromise himself and be as crooked as the rest to get where he is today. I read about flushing Washington because of him, he can't and won't. He wants to see the McCains and the Pelosis in office, he wants to see the congress remain as it is because if it does not, he won't be able to work with them. Remember that he as president means NOTHING, it is your vote for your congressman and senator that matter - VOTE.

Second he has done nothing to show his leadership or any leadership qualities to the people. I read nothing of the cutting edge legislation he has created to help the people. My God, many are so blinded by his color and the need for the country to elect him solely based on the ‘slavery’ and discrimination issue that they don’t get that being a senator is more powerful than being president when it comes to shaping the country. And with this I have to say, I do not want a black man as president, I want a man. If he continues to campaign on the black theme, it will do nothing to prove he is worthy to hold the office. I have yet to hear him say, “I have to look beyond the politics of race for the country, I have to look beyond the politics of race for my candidacy and I want to be viewed as a man running for office, not a black man running for office”, will he? Hell no, he and his campaign people want to see the division, they want to keep the momentum up to attack anyone who criticizes him, look at Ferraro’s comments, very honest and very accurate but she is considered a racist. I honestly think that if he gets to be president, it will set up the country to go back to Jim Crow days of life.

Third I think that we need to step back and let some common sense prevail. When we have a candidate who is playing the race card like he is, with Oprah and her racist gang, with the minister who is worst than Father Conklin and who does not address issues like he should when the media questions relationships like this minister, he seems to be a throwback to Mayor Coleman A Young of the city of Detroit – covering things up until the heat is turned up too high, then spinning it to look like it really is not his fault. I feel he is just like Bill Clinton, 100% like him when it comes to the spinning of the facts to destroy people who oppose him.

Fourth, and more importantly what does he really stand for? Can anyone actually say he stands for one solid thing? I read his speeches in Ohio and Texas completely hypocritical and dishonest as far as I am concern. No one has yet to answer the question with any intelligence but I hear all these answer with all these emotional descriptions of his platform.

AND to continue…..

First off the president can not tell the congress what to do, period. He takes his commands from the congress on some issues but the case of healthcare, there may be a states rights issue with it and the congressional health care is only, repeat only changed through the congress and their system.

Second I don’t want the government giving me anything, I want choices and I want to control my own health care. I am getting to the point that maybe the blame needs to fall on the people themselves for the stupid idiotic things that they insist on getting covered or the unreasonable lawsuits that seem to pop up all the time. I think it is time where the transparency of the third party payer system is uncovered and we have to deal with paying the bill ourselves to ensure the insurance company is not screwed over which cost us, not them. Once you involve yourself in a system where you see the money and how it affects all of us, most will make sure that the bills are paid and the insurance is not screwed, I mean we are not screwed. These stupid things are like tattoo removals, fertility treatments for people over 50 or people who have 5 kids, cosmetic surgery for tummy tucks, eye widening and hair implants. I sound harsh but you know some of these things have absolutely nothing to do with the quality of care we should be getting or treatment of diseases that we die from. Put the idea that the insurance companies need to cover the important stuff first and always but not the elective stuff.

Third Iraq. I am sorry for those who think he is just going to pull out, but he won’t. He will not dare to do this because it will effectively end his presidency at the moment he announces it. There is too much we have at stake and to throw the work we have already done away, the American people will not tolerate it. Let me explain it another way – the division of the people on this issue that the media and many vocal people think exists over this issue, does not. If it did, we would have marching in the streets, riots and even calls for impeachment by the people but I have yet seen anything like that. The problem is two fold; the American people don’t care about the war, sure they care about the people fighting but the war itself is too far removed from our lives to affect us. And the American people as a whole is betting on the stability because regardless what any democrat, code pink or moveon person thinks, we remember the Iran hostage crisis and we want to see that country gone. Get real with this idea, learn about the truth and if you want to know what they found, read the reports – not the Moveon version of the Iraq war.

Fourth is oil. Unless someone is going to talk about strengthen the dollar, forget about lowering the price of oil. Also forget about going after the oil companies, because it will do nothing to help us out. The key is the Dollar; the key is the Dollar, not the oil companies, not the administration, not the strategic oil reserves (which will not effect the real price of fuel), but the dollar. You all better learn how this works because if you think the housing ‘crisis’ is an issue, think again, lowering the interest rates weaken the dollar, it screws up our economy from the top down and it takes years to get things straight, not 8 years either.

Fifth, in comparison, Obama has no experience at all compared to Bush. Bush was a business owner of some sort, and a governor. Obama? Senators do not lead, they teach you that in American Politics 301, they do their senate thing and in the true form, senators don’t make good presidents – JFK was marginal at best and LBJ, well… he tried but could not do it. Representatives on the other hand seem to do better.

Sixth is the mass hysteria. People.....there is a whole discipline on this as a science and these guys who are running these campaigns know how to whip up support and keep it going. With Obama, we have the history of the country and the ‘guilt’ of slavery and discrimination. These people pray on the weak, the politicians want the housing market to collapse, they want the high price of fuel to continue to stop us from making money – it is all about power and how they stay in power because we are weak.

If you want a solution, the Fair Tax is one. Take the power away from Washington.

Also learn what the constitution says, not the Moveon version but the real things.

AND lastly (I know you are all bored with my crap)

REMEMBER THIS….

Hitler also campaigned on change…. look where Germany went –

Free health care
Education reform
Cheap transportation for the masses
Environmental movement
Mass housing
Strict gun control

Democratic Party = National Socialist Workers Party? I think that we are heading that way.
 
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Falligator

Expert Expediter
OK here is my take on this, and I know you all waited for it J Of course not, I will not vote for Obama, I don’t vote for racist people.
Ok, I'm trying to figure out where you think that Obama is racist. Because if I recall, he denounced his pastors statements pretty clearly and kicked him off of the campaign. I don't think race should have anything to do with this thread.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Ok, I'm trying to figure out where you think that Obama is racist. Because if I recall, he denounced his pastors statements pretty clearly and kicked him off of the campaign. I don't think race should have anything to do with this thread.

I feel this way because he is not standing up and making it a point that the political campaign is not about race but welcoming the criticizes of others within his campaign and the media when someone questions or criticizes him. His staff seems to be the first to spin comments that others make as only to have to do with his race.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Ok, I'm trying to figure out where you think that Obama is racist. Because if I recall, he denounced his pastors statements pretty clearly and kicked him off of the campaign. I don't think race should have anything to do with this thread.

The man spent 20 years sitting in the pew listening to that racist hypocrite. If Obama was anti-racist he would have changed churches long ago. I believe it is safe to say that if Obama isn't blatantly racist he at least finds nothing wrong with it.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
The man spent 20 years sitting in the pew listening to that racist hypocrite. If Obama was anti-racist he would have changed churches long ago. I believe it is safe to say that if Obama isn't blatantly racist he at least finds nothing wrong with it.

I agree Leo, although it was Billy Boy that first publicly brought the "race card" into this, there's the church thing, AND when I look back on what the wife said about being proud of America FOR THE FIRST TIME it makes me question the level of hate/racism that these two have. Not a good thing to have running around in the White House.
 

Falligator

Expert Expediter
I will probably end up voting for whomever is running "against" McCaine. He can't make up his mind for anything. One minute, he's against the war, the next he's for it. I wouldn't vote for Obama although his Nafta policy sounds tempting, so i guess that lives Hillary. Too bad Ross Perot isn't running again.
 
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