jail as it should be

[LDB]

If they executed as many as I would in the way I'd do it the rate would drop to near zero. It will never go away completely but things can be such that even the majority of the hardened criminals won't go back. We've just let the wusses have too much say on how felons are treated.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

you may have a point Leo...but the hardened ones would then chose to shoot it out in the streets rather then go back inside...they'd be shot dead but innocent bystanders might get shot too and some officers...

 

[always confused]

ldb [in the way i would] which way would that be?

i agree the death penality is used too little to be an deterent today. just as every caution should be used to insure the justice system is not abused, by law enforcement or the criminal.

 

[always confused]

you may have a point Leo...but the hardened ones would then chose to shoot it out in the streets rather then go back inside...they'd be shot dead but innocent bystanders might get shot too and some officers...

i guess the officers and bystanders killed now must be re-assured by this. the fact is some baddies are out there. they really don't care. we try to be politically correct and assume everybody has some redeeming features. this isn't true. there have been too many abuses of 'power' by criminals and those trying to control them. police, judges, jailers,etc are in many cases worse than the problem.

but i have little concern about the drug dealer pushing dope to kids, the thief who steals from little old ladies, the druggie ripping off drivers for his next fix. most of these people are very calculating, and try to work the system. the 'bleeding hearts' just make it easy for them.

if you look at our 'justice system' it is full of holes. the teenager rips off the corner store for 100 bucks, gets years. the company ceo rips off millions gets a island vacation. the same crime gets widely differing punishments. as been shown if you got money, murder can be done literally. so anything less is 'no problem'.

 

[LDB]

If it were up to me capital punishment would be the only option when a life is taken during the commision of a felony. Additionally, the 3rd felony conviction would be automatic death penalty with no other sentencing option. Criminals would be executed by hanging on the grounds of the county courthouse of the county where they committed their crime. Hanging would be at 17:00 Friday and removal would be 08:00 Monday.

Conclusive DNA test results, obtained from two autonomous and independent labs, confirming CSI results, would be required before execution would take place to avoid convicting the wrong person.

 

[always confused]

If it were up to me capital punishment would be the only option when a life is taken during the commision of a felony. Additionally, the 3rd felony conviction would be automatic death penalty with no other sentencing option. Criminals would be executed by hanging on the grounds of the county courthouse of the county where they committed their crime. Hanging would be at 17:00 Friday and removal would be 08:00 Monday.

Conclusive DNA test results, obtained from two autonomous and independent labs, confirming CSI results, would be required before execution would take place to avoid convicting the wrong person.

talk about a three strikes and you're out plan. interesting. the dna test sounds good, but what about the times when its not available, but the criminal is? what other options for their punishment?

i don't have a problem with public hanging but as its hot in most parts of the country during much of the year leaving them for three days could get nasty.

 

[greg334]

See there is the problem, Leo we the tax payers will have to buy more rope if we leave them hanging. I think a reusable device is needed, maybe bring the guillotine here - what needs to be replaced on that?

 

[Pilgrim]

The blade will need to be sharpened occasionally, and possibly replaced every so often if it's a softer carbon steel.

 

[greg334]

The blade is made using some Japanese metal technique that only an occasional honing will be required, it is by the way stainless steel.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

one thing about it ...it's swift and efficient....

 

[LDB]

The DNA test the way I'd require it eliminates any possibility whatsoever of wrongful conviction. If DNA proof is not available we'd have to go with imprisonment. For a third strike it would be life at mandatory labor without parole. We might have to pull them Saturday afternoon above a certain temperature although if they've earned the hanging I'm not too worried about what the result is to them. They earned it after all.

 

[always confused]

i would allow other 'science' based evidence to also be accepted. ie: video or film that can be verified.

example: i decide i don't like the way you part your hair. i pull out my trusty revolver and shoot you from 25 yards away. i then get in my vehicle and drive away. since i never approached you, no dna to recover. but if i did this under a 'security camera' its kinda a slam-dunk in terms of proof.

i wasn't too worried about the result to the hanged, but the people who would have to do the cleanup.

as to beheading. ... ... well i admit its effective but then any savings over rope would be spent on the 'pikes' on which the heads would be displayed. .. .. .....

 

[OntarioVanMan]

As bad as the system is or appears to be it's part and parcel of what makes America, well America. The advisarial sytem in the courts, the appeals...the right to face ones accusers and to a fair and impartial jury of ones peers....

 

[LDB]

I never said do away with those things. I just said that with absolute, irrefutable, uncontestable proof the only sentencing option would be death. That doesn't take away any of those things which make this America. It just deters the unacceptable behavior.

I didn't include video etc. because digital imaging can be manipulated. While I agree in theory, I am making sure my system has an absolute zero margin of error to appease the bleeding hearts.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I never said do away with those things. I just said that with absolute, irrefutable, uncontestable proof the only sentencing option would be death. That doesn't take away any of those things which make this America. It just deters the unacceptable behavior.

I didn't include video etc. because digital imaging can be manipulated. While I agree in theory, I am making sure my system has an absolute zero margin of error to appease the bleeding hearts.

Absolutely Leo....I agree we should make it tougher....

 

[greg334]

Has anyone actually sat through a capital punishment trial, they don't take things lightly and sometimes the judge will take all day to just instruct the jury. The days of a simple trial are gone, they made this all into an industry, another closed profession.

 

[always confused]

i don't think anybody with more awareness than a sea sponge thinks a capital trial is simple. you're right about 'closed profession'. many think the only problem with lawyers is we allow them to live. maybe the early pilgram settlements had a good idea when they banned lawyers.

sorry to disagree, but i feel it should be possible to build a 'science' based case without dna that should be acceptable to obtain conviction. video, film, ballistic, fingerprints, etc.

who knows ... maybe get a law against bleeding hearts. .. .. ...

 

[LDB]

There could be enough forensic evidence to prove the case without DNA I suppose. My point is that whatever the final factors are they have to be so concrete there is no way to make a mistake. That way the folks who are "too stupid to be allowed to vote" can't object on fairness issues.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Guess i am more middle of the road then you Leo....I'd rather a prisoner have nothing/rough when he/she goes in and earn credits to have privledges like reward accepted behavior as in work habits and group association...which could also be lost...

 

[LDB]

I'd also set a requirement they wouldn't be released until passing, with acceptable grades, either the next higher level of education than they had when they went in or a trade school.