Interesting post

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I ran across this site

http://www.op-for.com/

and went through the posts. I found this;

A "Mercenary" Perspective
By Lightning

"I've been a bit remiss in my posting over the past few weeks. I hope you'll excuse my absence. I have dropped in from time to time to read some of the topics and try to keep abreast on some of the issues. I've finally decided that William Arkin's piece "Early Warning" deserved some commentary.

So, Arkin called me a mercenary? *yawn* What's his point? If you haven't figured it out yet, Arkin used the word simply to generate more of a reaction. He claims it was done, "to incite and call into question their presumption that the public had a duty to support them". Hogwash. As Tanker Brothers so astutely mentions, folks like Arkin are in the business of generating readership. The kind of outcry that he generated by calling us mercenaries simply reassures the editorial staff that they are being read.

Nevermind the fact that I don't really consider "mercenary" an insult or pejorative. I'm actually a bit amused by some of the outrage. Yeah, I get paid more when I am "downrange" than when I am sitting comfortably back here in CONUS. Hell, my second deployment enabled me to pay off my car. Savings from my third deployment helped me to buy a house. If that makes me a "mercenary", so what? The negative connotations associated with the word "mercenary" are actually a somewhat new phenomenon. Employment of highly specialized bands of mercenaries, such as the condottieri of Italy, used to be a widely accepted facet of warfare. Personally, I think that the widespread use of PMCs in today's conflict zones is a signal of times to come, of a return to smaller state armies supplemented by professional mercenaries. Doesn't bother me a bit. After all, do a bit of research on Executive Outcomes in Angola and Sierra Leone and you will see just how much of an effect a small band of mercenaries can have on nasty little backwater conflicts that most nation-state militaries would prefer to avoid.

The other thing that amuses me is the fact that some would praise Ehren Watada for "practicing First Amendment freedoms of speech, press and conscience" on the one hand, yet condemn servicemen who voice frustration with the media and public on the other. So, you want it both ways?

Let's get a few things straight. I swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and to obey the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me. At no time did I swear to do the bidding of the American citizenry, as one of the writers on Daily Kos would have us believe. No, I am obligated to obey your elected representatives. It's called a consitutional republic, ladies and gents. Go back and retake 9th grade civics, please.

You want my First Amendment rights abrogated when I try to counter the anti-war bias that I see creeping into news reports, but you'll proudly champion my rights if I choose to speak out against a war that was initiated by the duly elected President of the United States, with the support of your elected representatives in Congress? Tell me, who is really out to limit my rights? The U.S. government, who says that a Marine officer can not openly criticize elected officials, or the Daily Kos, who says that all servicemen should not be allowed to criticize the American public at all?"
 

Aviator

Expert Expediter
First of all, lets "define" Mercenary. According to Brittanica

mercenary

Hired professional soldier who fights for any state or nation without regard to political principles. From the earliest days of organized warfare, governments supplemented their military forces with mercenaries. After the Hundred Years' War (1337–1453), Swiss soldiers were hired out all over Europe by their own cantonal governments and won a high reputation. Rulers of the German state of Hesse also hired out their soldiers, and Hessian troops fought for the British in the American Revolution. Since the late 18th century, most mercenaries have been individual soldiers of fortune.

As a contractor, I have been called a lot of things, Mercenary is one. This is not very applicable as we are over here fighting or working for our own government.

another thing I would like to point out is that many many people that are here as contractors are here because they wanted to do something for the US in the War on Terror. A lot, because they were too old, or already retired could not join the military, so they come here and do jobs that need to be done as far as infrastructure and logistics, because they feel it makes a contribution to the effort. And, it does. As I have stated before, any job like that that is taken by a civilian, is one more troop we can use on the pointy end of the spear so to speak. I also find that a person cleaning bathrooms, or cooking for us that is a civilian does a better job than a infantryman that has been put on a detail to clean bathrooms. Thats just common sense.

As for the money, yes, we do get paid very well, but the majority of us are not here for the money. The money is nice, but who would come to a place where you have very good odds of ending up dead just for the money? There are a some that do come just for the money, but they are few and far between and most do not last very long at all. A truck driver, or PSD (personal security detail) worker who get upset because they are being shot at will not last doing this job for more than a couple weeks. You have to want to be here doing things that help. the money is secondary. think about that, because I do not think a lot of people really understand that. Would many of you come cook or work in a warehouse in miserable conditions, on a base that receives mortar or rocket fire daily for $60,000? It does not sound real appealing or that good of a deal when it is put that way does it?

Anyway, as a "fellow mercenary" thats my 2 cents.

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greg334

Veteran Expediter
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I didn't want to offend you, if I have.

I find the term being used more and more without regards to the meaning, as is insurgence in place of terrorist.
 

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Expert Expediter
Not offended at all. And I agree with you that it is being overused, as well as insurgent. Just tossing out my thoughts :)

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bamamule

Seasoned Expediter
thats funny when i was in you cleaned the head till it was clean trained you not to over look anything and take pride in your work also if you didn't like cleaning the head you learned the next job up and studyed and passed you service wides to move up
 

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Expert Expediter
Well, in the Army, we do not have "Latrine cleaners". It is people form all the jobs in the unit that are rotated into details like that. One you move up in the Army, you are inspecting the latrines, still a detail though.


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vandecamp

Seasoned Expediter
The word "profiteer" bothered me as much as "merc"-not at all. The way I looked at it, there was a big difference between the character of the guys I went outside the wire with everynight and the name callers. Not even a trace of relevance.

I intially went over as an "idealist" because I was too old to re-enlist. Looking at acres and acres of brand new fully loaded Excursions,Expeditions, Durangos, either sitting around getting dusty or getting slowly bashed to pieces by some admin puke who would drive by us on their way to the DFAC (chow hall) with the ac and stereo cranked as we humped our packs and 70 lbs of body armor to our trucks in 130F temps. Going outside the wire everynight wondering which truck was going to get nailed by an IED, wondering if your escort would return the ambusher's gunfire or just duck down in the humvee again. 15 hours of stopping, hauling #####, stopping, wait for EOD, hauling #####. Then get back inside the wire and deal with some Houston asshat's stateside PC office politics.

Looking around and seeing how the troops are raped by ATT calling centers on the bases just to hear a loved one's voice for a minute. Go to the DFAC and know that for each trooper's plate, KBR whacks the US taxpayer $33, even if he just grabs an apple and cup of joe to go. I could go on and on about how "mercenary" contractor companies like KBR are blatantly raping the taxpayer with no accountability. About missions where I would haul a flatbed of trashy lumber and scrap metal all the way south to Talil because they had a dump there. And pass a huge burning dump at Anaconda on the way out the gate. And run empty all the way back. Trash runs or deadheading through a combat zone to justify KBR charging a combat convoy mission to the gov. Or the time we ran a load of water at a cost of $4/gallon to process to a Forward Operating Base whose water storage bags were all full so we just opened the valves and drained 150,000 gallons of fresh water into the sand.
"Idealists" are quickly sickened, "mercs" and "profiteers" quickly discover the money ain't so frickin' good when your company is doing everything to get you replaced with Third Country Nationals and sent home when you are inside the wire and spend money on leather seated Dodge Durangos instead of up-armor kits for your truck and level 4 body armor for you, especially when 8 out of 10 missions you get shot at or blown up. Yeah I know plenty of happy Iraquis too but don't blow smoke up my chimney with your delusions of contributing to the betterment of the locals. You're there just like the rest of us ultimately ended up being there for- the almighty clam. If you dig it, good on ya mate.
 

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Expert Expediter
Sorry you are having such a bad tour. I personally am not seeing any of the things you are talking about. It might be that I have a totally seperate job. I am here as a helicopter door gunner doing opium eradication. I am providing security and, is required medevac for the guys who are on the ground cutting the plants down, so yeah, I do feel like I am making a difference. I know how many acres we cut last year, and I know how many we plan on cutting the coming season. I also know for a fact that us being in the air for 10-12 hours a day overhead DID improve security for those guys on the ground.

The KBR guys down in kandahar are driving around in golf carts and gators, not leather seated excursions. Every vehicle I see going outside the wire there is up armored. And yes, a lot of local nationals are doing jobs on base there. In my opinion nothing wrong with that. it lets them see we are not such bad people and gives them, a reason to be on our side. And although the pay for them is much less that for an American, its still a huge pile of money for them. Gives thier life a little meaning.

If you are getting :censoredsign: missions, then I would complain to the powers that be about it. Some are probably truly :censoredsign:. Some may be things you do not know or understand. That stuff happens in any job. And as far as rear echelon crap heads giving you a hard time? Well, once again you will find that in any job. Any time some donkey from wherever gets a little power, if it is the wrong kind of person it makes life miserable for everyone. I am sure most people here have run across dispatchers like that.

Keep your eyes open, and stay as safe as possible.


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tallcal101

Veteran Expediter
I thought everyone was on board my man?Not quite everyone is a rubber stamp.He speaks the thruth.It's a sham and your a pawn,even if your intentions are good.
 

bamamule

Seasoned Expediter
SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A 18 YEAR OLD DISPACHER TELLING ME HOW TO DRIVE MY TRUCK if you an't done it haw do you know how to
 

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Expert Expediter
>I thought everyone was on board my man?Not quite everyone is
>a rubber stamp.He speaks the thruth.It's a sham and your a
>pawn,even if your intentions are good.

Hrmm, I imagine he is speaking the truth, through his eyes, at his location. 5 people can see the same thing and view it in 5 totally different ways, depending on their attitudes and experience. Have you been over here? Do you see what I see? I'm no pawn. Try to add something more constructive TallCall :)

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Expert Expediter
>SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A 18 YEAR OLD DISPACHER TELLING ME HOW TO
>DRIVE MY TRUCK if you an't done it haw do you know how to


Are you referring to me? If so, I have driven a truck. How do you think I know about problems with dispatchers?
:7

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vandecamp

Seasoned Expediter
Aviator, I'm glad you're part of the opium eradication program and you feel you're making a difference. But I'm talking about running the roads all over Iraq not driving gators inside the wire in Afganistan.

I wasn't some cretin who "may not have understood how things are done." I was well aware when a convoy I was on was hauling trash or running empty around the country, doesn't take an "insider" to figure out KBR is putting a mission number with a bill on that convoy run. You never heard of the infamous tanker convoys running "sailboat fuel" back and forth from Kuwait?
Classic. And tragically true. Blatant freaking thievery my friend. Feel-good-KMA-in-yo-face kind of thievery. No mystery, no hushed whispers. "Who Cares? We're ALL cashin' out here my brother."

I wasn't talking about TCN's (Third Country Nationals)that cook or clean out bathrooms, I was talking about TCN truck drivers that replace American drivers, get paid a fraction of the US drivers, and KBR bills the DOD the same amount as any other heavy truck driver. Bother me? Why should it have? They can't drive a truck, most barely speak english, they don't follow radio discipline, don't maintain safe convoy distances no matter how many times they get screamed at. Endangering other drivers is not a problem because we get 3 of them dudes for the price of one, man!

Complain to who??? Department of Labor? The powers that be? Department of Labor? Sounds great, you mean my boss that put me on that mission? His boss that took the order from Houston? Stay upwind of the opium when you're burning it. Houston ultimately decides who runs what where unless the military has cans or stock to move. We had squadrons of F-16's, Predators with Hellfires, Apache, Kiowa gunships, Quick Response Force patrols, M1A1's running back and forth, and not one of these stopped the Explosive Formed Projectile roadside bombs, the RPGs, the RPK and AK fire from hitting, killing and or maiming fellow drivers,uh nothing personal, I didn't see any door gunners stopping an AP RPG round from blowing through the armor plate door, taking off both my friend's arms and cutting a nice hole through the other side. Please don't project some false task accomplishment by telling me you flying overhead for 10-12, or 100,000 hours makes it safe on the ground for the civilian truck drivers. Was damned glad to have that MedEvac available, as long as you didn't bleed out waiting for 4 hours waiting for EOD to show up to make sure it was safe for the chopper to land on the highway.

Last I checked, KBR drivers don't even go outside the wire in Afganistan. You don't have any brand new loaded SUV's running around up there? Wrecked 'em all already or what, oh well, they were already written off as part of the cost plus LOGCAP contract. Disposable.

I'm glad you personally don't see any of the KBR issues where you are, but then again you aren't running the trails in Iraq, and as an un-armed civilian are you? And I'll bet you sure as heck ain't working for KBR either. Consider yourself blessed brother.

It would be nice to see those Houston gangsters dragged before The Man in chains and have to account for the arrogant a$$raping of the American taxpayer, but we'll probably see that when the Iraqis see we REALLY mean business and settle down.
 
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