If I Were President

ratwell71 · May 2, 2008

greg334 · May 2, 2008

Sorry, but this guy is too far off target. The problem is that there is too much BS about Iraq and the author fails to understand the enemy we are actually fighting.

Bringing up abortion is a turnoff because it seems that many of these people just don't get it at all what it really is all about.

ratwell71 · May 2, 2008

Greg,

Who is the enemy? Terrorist? Where are they? What do they look like? How do they dress? Can they be American, African, European, Mexican, Canadian, Russian, etc.?

The point is that we do not know who the terrorist are. Can you fight a battle without knowing the enemy? It was a lost cause before we even stepped foot in their country. Heck, the Iraq people cannot point out a terrorist. If we can answer this then we can capture murderers here before they murder. I don't know about you but I cannot read minds nor can I tell you who a terrorist is.

Our government could not protect us here. What makes you think we can do anything over there? Our government used FEAR to get the populous to react. We did out of anger, and we forgot that vengeance is not ours. The USA has means to freeze all bank accounts domestic and abroad when the funds are suspected of going to terrorist groups. Guess what? No funds, no terrorism. Instead of doing the most obvious we use force. I bet the people that lost loved ones in the 9/11 tragedy could have used that money. What does this blood shed do for them?

It is about OIL and RESOURCES. All for political gain. You know what? This stupid war is costing us valuable lives. Young lives that are needed here in the USA. And this brings to mind our problem with social security. We are a GRAYING AMERICA. Why expend our young people for pure greed? That means our Congress can pass the most strictest laws to keep illegal immigrants out of the USA, but our same government sees these immigrants as the future for reviving our social security system. So we have strict laws but lax enforcements.

A never ending story...

greg334 · May 2, 2008

ratwell71 said:
Greg,

Who is the enemy? Terrorist? Where are they? What do they look like? How do they dress? Can they be American, African, European, Mexican, Canadian, Russian, etc.?

The point is that we do not know who the terrorist are. Can you fight a battle without knowing the enemy? It was a lost cause before we even stepped foot in their country.

Yes they are all around; we allowed them to come here. Some are people who feel there is no hope in life, others come here to kill.

I don’t think it is a lost cause just because you don’t see solutions. I think it is because you, like many others fail to understand their mindset and their culture. One thing that is important to the culture is strength, which we don’t show when we even have debates. It is a different culture.

Can we fight a battle? No it is not that kind of war, there is more to it than just going out on the street and fighting. One thing that many miss is that this is also a war of words and posturing.

ratwell71 said:
Heck, the Iraq people cannot point out a terrorist. If we can answer this then we can capture murderers here before they murder. I don't know about you but I cannot read minds nor can I tell you who a terrorist is.

Actually they do know who the terrorist are, they can point them out and have been. I think it would be much worst if it wasn’t for the people who want a better life and putting their families own life at risk by pointing out who these people are. The Iraqis know what it was like to live under Saddam but they also know what Iran has in store for them. We got to remember that the problem there is not the terrorist, it is the problem that we didn’t handle the aftermath with the army and there are a number of former army officers controlling things with help from the clerics.

ratwell71 said:
Our government could not protect us here. What makes you think we can do anything over there? Our government used FEAR to get the populous to react. We did out of anger, and we forgot that vengeance is not ours. The USA has means to freeze all bank accounts domestic and abroad when the funds are suspected of going to terrorist groups. Guess what? No funds, no terrorism. Instead of doing the most obvious we use force. I bet the people that lost loved ones in the 9/11 tragedy could have used that money. What does this blood shed do for them?

The government is doing a good job, you just don’t see it. Sorry if this goes against the propaganda from the left but the last time I checked, we haven’t had anything major. As for the government using fear, got to call that BS. Here is why; we have had several incidents where Muslims have attacked people and the government has been very careful not to use fear to motivate anything, to be exact here are a couple examples; one was in Seattle where a Muslim man killed a women and wounded 5 others because he was ‘tired of hearing about Isreal’. A Muslim student who drove his car through a crowd at UNC-Chapel Hill, he said he wanted to kill but failed to do so. What we did after 9.11 was what any nation would do but we forgot the lesson.

As for the banks, well what happened with the Washington post publishing the secerts that we were watching transactions of foreigners? That was a suggestion by the slanted 9.11 commission and it was in place to find where the money was being funneled through. We can’t freeze a thing until we have a clear cut case to do so.

I would like to know what is the most obvious thing that we could do?

ratwell71 said:
It is about OIL and RESOURCES. All for political gain. You know what? This stupid war is costing us valuable lives. Young lives that are needed here in the USA. And this brings to mind our problem with social security. We are a GRAYING AMERICA. Why expend our young people for pure greed? That means our Congress can pass the most strictest laws to keep illegal immigrants out of the USA, but our same government sees these immigrants as the future for reviving our social security system. So we have strict laws but lax enforcements.

A never ending story...

You know the war is not the real issue that we need to be concern about; it is our people who don’t know what they are voting for or thinking that they are actually voting for a president in a primary.

We are at war for a lot of reasons; one was in hope to reform the UN, to bring out the problems that led up to war. We don’t take their oil, we allowed them to form a government that they think is right for them and they have been working harder than we have in using their rights. 4000 lives is a tragedy but look at all the lies lost because of a president who did a political thing by pulling support from a stable ally. Look at all the lives lost so we can save countries that now act as they are better than us.

What greed, so you can enjoy your freedoms? So you can say that Iraq is not worthy of our help?

When do you draw the line?

Where do you draw the line? Only help Europe? Only help Canada? Some way off tourist spot?

We look at Africa and say we have to do more but until you go there and see first hand the political nature of the countries involved, it is far better not to go there. We can easily get involve with Darfur, we can provide the relief and save thousands of lives but at what cost? We failed in Bosnia, we bombs an ally. We failed in Somalia, where we left because it got too tough. You know we are in Africa for no reason at all?

I think we need to reevaluate our country and what we stand for if we can’t help Iraqis.

ratwell71 · May 3, 2008

greg334 said:
Yes they are all around; we allowed them to come here. Some are people who feel there is no hope in life, others come here to kill.

((((WE allow them to come here? Sounds like real protection there!))))

I don’t think it is a lost cause just because you don’t see solutions. I think it is because you, like many others fail to understand their mindset and their culture. One thing that is important to the culture is strength, which we don’t show when we even have debates. It is a different culture.

(((That's really funny because I happened to be well read. You just made an assumption about me. So what do you suggest that we eradicate a culture or preserve it? I know, why not shove our religious beliefs on them. That will teach them. Geez...)))

Can we fight a battle? No it is not that kind of war, there is more to it than just going out on the street and fighting. One thing that many miss is that this is also a war of words and posturing.

(((WE cannot fight the battle but we are willing to fight for WHAT again? I did not know posturing had anything to do with killing. HMMMM?))))

Actually they do know who the terrorist are, they can point them out and have been. I think it would be much worst if it wasn’t for the people who want a better life and putting their families own life at risk by pointing out who these people are. The Iraqis know what it was like to live under Saddam but they also know what Iran has in store for them. We got to remember that the problem there is not the terrorist, it is the problem that we didn’t handle the aftermath with the army and there are a number of former army officers controlling things with help from the clerics.

(((They should know what is like because they live there. Did they point to where Saddam was hiding? Nope.)))

The government is doing a good job, you just don’t see it. Sorry if this goes against the propaganda from the left but the last time I checked, we haven’t had anything major. As for the government using fear, got to call that BS. Here is why; we have had several incidents where Muslims have attacked people and the government has been very careful not to use fear to motivate anything, to be exact here are a couple examples; one was in Seattle where a Muslim man killed a women and wounded 5 others because he was ‘tired of hearing about Isreal’. A Muslim student who drove his car through a crowd at UNC-Chapel Hill, he said he wanted to kill but failed to do so. What we did after 9.11 was what any nation would do but we forgot the lesson.

(((They do not want to instill fear. You are joking, right? The whole war was based on the fear factor.)))

As for the banks, well what happened with the Washington post publishing the secerts that we were watching transactions of foreigners? That was a suggestion by the slanted 9.11 commission and it was in place to find where the money was being funneled through. We can’t freeze a thing until we have a clear cut case to do so.

(((And you know this how? Did you ask the terrorist if they read the Washington Post?)))

I would like to know what is the most obvious thing that we could do?

(((Bring our troops home. Save all these billions to fix what is wrong with this country. You know issues like: health care, education, social security, homelessness, illegal drugs, illegal immigrants, etc. Oh, and maybe moving all the people out of the town of Pitcher, OK where the children are being poisoned with lead due to government mining.)))

You know the war is not the real issue that we need to be concern about; it is our people who don’t know what they are voting for or thinking that they are actually voting for a president in a primary.

(((Who thinks that? Now there is a problem if you have folks out there thinking this. Geez... I took a basic politics class while in high school. In fact, you had to to graduate. Not to mention the extensive reading and my college education. Holy cow. Just another reason to bring our men and women home. They need an education.))))

We are at war for a lot of reasons; one was in hope to reform the UN, to bring out the problems that led up to war. We don’t take their oil, we allowed them to form a government that they think is right for them and they have been working harder than we have in using their rights. 4000 lives is a tragedy but look at all the lies lost because of a president who did a political thing by pulling support from a stable ally. Look at all the lives lost so we can save countries that now act as they are better than us.

(((Who cares if they feel they are better than us? I don't remember ever being in competition with them. The UN needing reformation? Why? I know, because they would not comply with what Bush wanted to do. Sorry, you lost me there. Where is your proof of this?)))

What greed, so you can enjoy your freedoms? So you can say that Iraq is not worthy of our help?

(((My freedom? Yes, greed. You mean Iraq's freedom, and they did not ask for us to help them. I am sure they would have had their tongues cut out if they did. Why Iraq? Why not Africa? Why not Russia? I mean I am sure Africa has asked for our help.)))

When do you draw the line?

(((When was the line drawn?)))

Where do you draw the line? Only help Europe? Only help Canada? Some way off tourist spot?

(((Help those that help themselves.)))

We look at Africa and say we have to do more but until you go there and see first hand the political nature of the countries involved, it is far better not to go there. We can easily get involve with Darfur, we can provide the relief and save thousands of lives but at what cost? We failed in Bosnia, we bombs an ally. We failed in Somalia, where we left because it got too tough. You know we are in Africa for no reason at all?

(((Your insulting my intelligence. Africa is far more worse than Iraq. Which would mean we pick on smaller countries that are easier to attack and perhaps take over? Africa is too hard for us so why bother! I know, we couldn't say we won the war. Is that what this is about? O.K. You won the war in Iraq. Now bring our soldiers home. Geez...))))

I think we need to reevaluate our country and what we stand for if we can’t help Iraqis.

(((Yeah, what do we stand for, WAR? We have an interest in the Middle East that is why we won't help Africa. Where there is a political gain and/or resource we will help! Yeah, we need to reevaluate alright. I can agree on some things but no way do I set my principles aside for these types of excuses. We are not a nation of hate mongers or war mongers. We are one nation under God and need to start acting like it. The almighty dollar rules.)))