grt lakes water diver. part 2

Jack_Berry

Moderator Emeritus
found this item in the fish wrapper today. i have to admit i was surprised to find it at all since it was on page 4 after the obits that i turned to and folded the paper over twice before seeing it. i thought this would be best posted on a new thread rather than on the original.

With the Legislature back in session and Great Lakes legislation in the offing, a coalition of environmental groups released poll results this week which show strong public support for guarding the lakes.

The poll, conducted by the University of Wisconsin Survey Center, found that 85 percent of respondents said it is very important for the state to protect the water in lakes Michigan and Superior. Sixty-one percent said there is a major threat of other states removing Great Lakes’ water for their own needs while 34 percent said this is a minor threat. Also, 71 percent said there is a major threat of other countries removing lake water.

State sens. John Lehman, D-Racine, Rob Cowles, R-Green Bay, and Rep. Cory Mason, D-Racine, are preparing legislation to implement the Great Lakes Compact. Signed two years ago in Milwaukee by governors of Great Lakes states and premiers of two Canadian provinces, the compact would specify who could withdraw water from the lake basin and under what conditions.

To become effective, the compact must be approved by the states and provinces and be passed by Congress. Most states have either introduced or passed legislation to implement the compact.
Slightly more than 80 percent of poll respondents said Wisconsin should make the Great Lakes Compact law. That level of support varied but remained at more than 70 percent whether people lived along the lakeshore or inland, whether they were male or female and whether they were Democrats, Republicans or were independent or members of some other party.

The poll was conducted between Oct. 2 and Dec. 5 using randomly generated land-line telephone numbers. There is a sample error of 4.8 percentage points on the statewide results, and wider errors on information from subgroups


evidently canada WAS consulted and they don't like it either.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Even at a round off off 5% error margin..It goes to show how much support to protect our lakes from diversion to the south...The Gr. lakes are low enough now that shipping is hampered in Lake Erie they've had to dredge abit and the frieghters have had to slow down to make the channels....The south will just have to solve thier own problems without adding to the problems of the norths. The south knew this years ago that water shortages were imminent and they did nothing...didn't plan new resisviors, no water desalination....The Feds and Corp of Eng. will will to solve this problem.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
SO when you northerners are having some kind of problem we should say oh well? It's their problem. The main areas affected which are Atlanta and the vicinty wouldn't be having the problems they are if it wasn't for enviromentalitst nut jobs, who are mainly from up north, diverting water out of lakes and resvoirs to keep a mussel alive. When things happen between north and south the south usually gets the short end of the stick.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
No,No, No Ark..not a north,south thingee....The great lakes has level problems as it is...robbing Peter to pay Paul isn't the answer. Thats only a short term solution to bandaid a long term problem....They Feds, states and AC of E have to find a solution.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
OVM,
You said yourself that the south had to solve their own problems. So therefore I asked you when the North has problems shoudln't you guys have to solve yourselves without our help? You made it a North/South thing.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I misspoke I apologize...I should have said: The states involved in the shortages should get together with Federal and local and AC od E to start resolving this ongoing problem. Playing with mother natures watersheds could have disastrous results....Maybe they should re-direct the Cheaspeake watershed? But wait! That would make short on Maryland and Virginia and DC.
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I'll be honest I don't have a solution. I just don't want to see one region of the country burning another region. We've had that already. It was called Sherman's March to the Sea and he is most likely regreting that right now, but that is a different topic.

Back on topic I think turning salt water into drinking water is a good idea, but then again I don't know the expense that goes along with that.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Not as expensive as financing a war. Or going to the moon.
Maybe half as much as we spend on foreign aid to countries that don't give a rats butt about us anyhow!! Charity begins at home!!
 

arkjarhead

Veteran Expediter
I agree with you on the charity begins at home deal, but most people don't see it that way. I don't know if you have heard of the new game show called "Moment of Truth". They hook people to a polygraph and ask them 50 questions. Then when they go on tv the show has picked out 21 questions to ask them. If they answer truthfully they win money. Anyway on a commercial they ask this women if she really cares about the little kids in Africa. She looks like she's scared to say no. I know I'm going off subject, but I get so tired of seeing commercials asking for money so they can send it to Africa. Or buy a certain femine hygeine product and they'll send some to Africa. What about neglected and abused kids here? In our own country? I know people say there are no true poor in our country, but a kid can't help how their parents manage money. It's not their fault they get neglected, and we over look them to feed a kid that could very well one day train to attack us. It's crazy. I don't trust the majority of the people in Africa. I don't know them and don't need to know them for that fact. Maybe more industry would go there if they didn't feel the need for a civil war every year. Anyway. I'll quit ranting since I did get way off topic.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Over in W. Memphis and moisture is falling again...hopefully its all the way across the board!! Every little bit helps.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
OVM,
I thought you left. Well glad you came back.

The problem with the great lakes goes way beyond what we have done or could do.

The levels have fluctuated so much in the last 150 years. In the 20's, I think it was '22 we have lower levels than we have today. Shipping was restricted to shipping lanes and now we dredged a lot of areas where the ships travel but we have not kept up with maintaining the areas, like the Mississippi river.

Also I think that we need to figure out what we need to do to maintain water for man's use. There is a dam that we, the tax payers will be paying $2B to remove so salmon will be able to mate. Te dam produces electricity for a large number of people for 60 or 70 years. I am sorry but the money we spend on this does not improve the quality of life for the people around the dam but even after spending the money, we now will cause more pollution because of the new source of electricity needed to support the people.
 
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