cargo van pay?

loner1

Seasoned Expediter
Far as I know, the new van contracts at Panther are for 70 cents a mile. Mine is 77 cents a mile. Some people are on the Structured FSC, which right now is about 12 cents. I'm on the Variable FSC, which ranges between 8 cents and 19 lately, but averaging out at 17 cents. So the new contracts at Panther, with the Structured FSC, they're getting 82 cents a mile. Older contracts are getting a little more.

Panther does offer reduced rate loads at less than the contract rate. These are usually NLM loads, but not necessarily. I don't get offered very many reduced rate loads, but when I do they are usually at 70 cents a mile with a lower-end FSC, like 8 or 9 cents, and a few times the reduced rate was 75 cents plus FSC.

Twice I have been offered reduced rate loads for 70 plus 7 FSC for a total of 77 cents a mile. Several months ago I had one for 70 cents plus a 4 cent FSC. That's absolutely the lowest rate load I have ever been offered at Panther, 74 cents.

Most of my loads over the past few months have been in the 89-95 cents per mile range, some more, some less, but 89-95 is the norm. My reduced rate loads are about 15% of my load offers, not very many, really, but then again I do try to stay out of NLM Heaven, a.k.a., Midwest Hеll. Those who prefer to be closer to home all the time are likely getting more reduced rate loads, but I dunno.

The only 50 cent a mile loads that I know of that Panther has offered have been LTL backhaul loads when someone is crying about getting something, anything, to get them back into those coveted "freight lanes" of Midwest Hеll so they can be offered just a snotload of NLM Heaven freight.

I know a couple of dispatchers well enough that if I ask how much Panther has in the load, they'll tell me. They're not supposed to, but they know that regardless of the figure I won't freak out, and I never ask as a condition of acceptance. I do know that when Panther offers me a reduced rate load, like one paying 79 cents including FSC, my cut of the line haul ends up being closer to 85% or 90% (and sometimes more than that). Panther is taking great pains to keep us loaded at decent rates, but not many people realize that. Gone are the days where Panther has $1.60 or $2.00 per mile in the load and pays me 90 cents of it. I've had loads that paid me 85 cents and Panther only had 90 cents in the load. I just delivered one this morning where I got paid everything Panther had in the load. It was a particularly crappy run, and they knew it, but it was also a particularly good customer and they needed to get it covered and still have me not lose money, so they offered it all to me. That's an effort on their part that I do not take lightly.


This is, I'm sure, information that some folks at Panther just cringe when they read it in an open forum like this, and I'm also sure that other carriers read it with great interest and just get madder and madder at Panther, because they have to bid stuff that pays out at 50 cents a mile. Good. The more of them who get mad and continue to bid stuff so low, the quicker they'll be out of business and capacity will begin to be more in line with the freight. It's a cat eat 'em all world.


But I say all this to let those who think that Panther bids on loads and then pays out at reduced rates just to keep their profit margin up, you really don't know what you're talking about, and to the ones who think Panther offers a lot of loads at 50 cents a mile, you know even less about what you're talking about.

As much as Panther drives me crazy at times, I have to give them a lot of credit. They have really stepped up to the plate and have given me decent rates in a market where the shippers are calling the balls and strikes.

Great Post Turtle. I once worked for an "NLM TYPE" company that actively feeds loads to the cat (as well as the other guys). There are a couple of things I can tell you.....

1. Most of our customers PREFERRED the CAT over other companies because of their reliabilty. Sure, there were games played like bidding when availability was actually low, but in the end, most of our customers, when presented with a quote from the CAT, chose that quote over the other carrier quotes. AND the CAT was NOT always the cheapest quote.

2. I drove straight truck for the CAT in the not too distant past, right after the economy cost me my position with the aforementioned company. KNOWING the TOTAL amounts the CAT quoted for loads, with all accessorials included, and then being on the drivers end, receiving my $$$/mile, I realized that the profit margin for the company itself is NOT all that great. I would have to say that "knowing what I know from both sides" Panther is very fair to it's drivers and they work very hard to keep everybody busy.

Just My .02 cents.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
They have that "exclusive use" contract with you that means you either go under by running there 50cpm loads or go under by turning them down and sitting with no loads at all.

Please explain the "exclusive use contract" and how it forces me to take 50cpm loads.



"exclusive use" = TRAPPED. With that being said I don't think I would ever sign a exclusive use contract unless it had a minimum pay clause in it, like you will be paid 1,500 a week regardless if we get you moving or not. Just my .02 on this subject;)

Please explain "exclusive use contract" and how "exclusive use" = TRAPPED.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
On part 2 I think he is referring to the fact you can't procure your own loads...you are trapped with the carrier and depend on them 100%...

The part about 50 cent loads I don't know where that line of thought goes....:confused:
 

60MPH

Expert Expediter
OVM is correct that is what I meant, you are trapped if you signed a exclusive use contract then only your carrier can procure freight for you. Even if you find the freight yourself you still need your carrier to get it for you, thus taking there cut of your legwork. Now if you are with Landstar or Tri-state then this does not include you as they do not have a exclusive use contract they let you have your own authority and find and book loads on your own "they do not take a cut". Now if you are with the cat, bolt or the Fed and you have your own authority and you procure your own load and do not tell them they will term your contract if you get caught. Now if you tell them that you found a load on your own they are gonna want there cut which if you are in a bad area and it gets you out then that may be a good thing. But when I was with the cat I found loads on my own and when I called alan in the back haul dept. he always had a excuse as to why they would not book that load. I have had many different answers given to me and I just gave up looking for my own, and then just moved on to TS where they let you have your own authority and book your own loads.
 

fastrod

Expert Expediter
The part about 50 cent loads I don't know where that line of thought goes....:confused:

It goes back to the original post where skyraider was saying about van drivers only getting 50cpm loads. If that is all there carriers are offering them then with that "exclusive use" contract there only choices are to run them at a loss or sit and make no money at all. Yea I know, move to a different carrier but who is signing on vans now.
 
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