barry as a deal for some home owners

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
soooo... what the h*ll, you work, pay your bills on time and work hard and do things as you should, the government taxes you and takes a big part of your income...

Now if you can't or won't work, can't make your payments for whatever reason, instead of going through the system and losing your home when you can't fulfil your obligations, barry wants to let you give your home to the bank and then let you rent it back or maybe barry will take tax dollars (from those who work and pay their taxes) and make your payments......

Yeap this is change we can believe in....

Obama mulls rental option for some homeowners
Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:07pm EDT
Obama mulls rental option for some homeowners-sources | Markets | Markets News | Reuters

NEW YORK, July 14 (Reuters) - U.S. government officials are weighing a plan that would let borrowers who have fallen behind on their mortgage payments avoid eviction by renting their homes instead, sources familiar with the administration's thinking said on Tuesday.

Under one idea being discussed, delinquent homeowners would surrender ownership of their homes but would continue to live in the property for several years, the sources told Reuters.

Officials are also considering whether the government should make mortgage payments on behalf of borrowers who cannot keep up with their home loans, tapping an unused portion of a $50 billion housing aid kitty.

As part of this plan, jobless borrowers might receive a housing stipend along with regular unemployment benefits, the sources said. (Reporting by Patrick Rucker; Editing by Diane Craft)
 

Dreammaker

Seasoned Expediter
He probably read an article in the Financial Times by Nicolas Taleb and Mark Spitznagel. They suggest the following:

Third, debt has a nasty property: it is highly treacherous. A loan hides volatility as it does not vary outside of default, while an equity investment has volatility but its risks are visible. Yet both have similar risks. Thus debt is the province of both the overconfident borrower who underestimates large deviations, and of the investor who wants to be deluded by hiding risks. Then there are products such as complex derivatives, which in the name of “modern finance” make the system even more fragile.

Against this background, we have two options. The first is to deflate debt, the other is to inflate assets (or counter their deflation with a collection of stimulus packages.)

We believe that stimulus packages, in all their forms, make the same mistakes that got us here. They will lead to extreme overshooting or extreme undershooting. They lead to more borrowing, by socialising private debt. But running a government deficit is dangerous, as it is vulnerable to errors in projections of economic growth. These errors will be larger in the future, so central bank money creation will lead not to inflation but to hyper-inflation, as the system is set for bigger deviations than ever before.

Relying on standard models to build policies makes us all fragile and overconfident. Asking the economics establishment for guidance (particularly after its failure to see the risk in the economy) is akin to asking to be led by the blind – instead we need to rebuild the world to make it resistant to the economist’s mystifications.

Invoking the pre-internet Great Depression as guidance for current events is irresponsible: errors in fiscal policy will be magnified by this kind of thinking. Monetary policy has always been dangerous.... Bubbles and fads are part of cultural life. We need to do the opposite to what Mr Greenspan did: make the economy’s structure more robust to bubbles.

The only solution is to transform debt into equity across all sectors, in an organised and systematic way. Instead of sending hate mail to near-insolvent homeowners, banks should reach out to borrowers and offer lower interest payments in exchange for equity. Instead of debt becoming “binary” – in default or not – it could take smoothly-varying prices and banks would not need to wait for foreclosures to take action. Banks would turn from “hopers”, hiding risks from themselves, into agents more engaged in economic activity. Hidden risks become visible; hopers become doers.

It is sad to see that those who failed to spot the problem (or helped to cause it) are now in charge of the remedy. Just as the impending crisis was obvious to those of us who specialise in complexity and extreme deviations, the solution is plain to see. We need an aggressive, systematic debt-for-equity conversion. We cannot afford to wait a day.

You can read the rest of the article at:naked capitalism: Taleb (and Spitznagel) Call for Large-Scale Debt to Equity.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Not one mention of OBama in that article....

Bit I like the idea....because the government did not enforce banking rules some of these homeowners and some also got a double whammy of losing their jobs...thru no fault of their own...if you throw them out into the street what does that accomplish? tears a good family apart and we will end up housing them and feeding them anyhow....this gives them hope that things will turn around with their misfortunes....hey you guys are always saying we should help our own people before foreign aide...well here it is....some of this is none of their doing....
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
ovm wrote:

Not one mention of OBama in that article....

Ah barry said it today, it is his plan..lol

Thrugh no fault of their own!?!? So you think that these people shouldn't have to honor the contracts they signed? They are responsable to carry out what they willing signed without anyone holding a gun to their heads!?!? The big evil banls shpuld eat it...And you are ok with the tax dollars the government takes from you being spent like this??? Wow...:confused:

As far as help, it ain't the governments place to use tax dollars for anyone citzens benefit. Charity would be fine, but not tax dollars....
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
ovm wrote:



Ah barry said it today, it is his plan..lol

And so you think that these people shouldn't have to honor the contracts they signed? They are responcable to carry out what they willing signed without anyone holding a gun to their heads!?!? And you are ok with the tax dollars the government takes from you being spent like this??? Wow...:confused:

I did not hear him say it...I only read the article...

and yes....SOME were duped by unscrupulous mortgage dealers and the government looked the other way...

if we aren't going to jail the ones responsible we should at least try to right the wrong...
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
What is being said is that barry was vague about it today and then the article came out later today. (this is what was reported on the radio)

Anyone that signs a contract is legally bound to fukfik it or settle with the bank or courts....if they didn't read what they signed, or have a lawyer look it over before closing and they can't afford the new payment when it goes up, the taxpayer should be responsible for them?? To right a wrong!?!? give me a break.....it is not the government place to be in these private banking matters and it certainly isn't the taxpayers responsiblity to pay there house payments......

If local or national charites want to help, more power to them, but not with USA tax dollars.....
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
If you boot them into the street ...they are going to get those tax dollars anyhow....so much for helping fellow Americans in these extra ordinary times....just take their dignity and kick them while they are down.....
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Ahh to qualify they are already unemployed..

As part of this plan, jobless borrowers might receive a housing stipend along with regular unemployment benefits,

so they are already getting enough tax dollars, to add to it is bs....

kile i said, if any local or national charities what to help them, more power to them, other then that, hit up family, or move out...it ain't the taxpayers job to pay to support them and then pay their house payments with tax dollars...

why not go back 10 yrs and offer anyone who lost their job and then lost their home a fist full of dollars to help offset their misfortune that happened thru no fault of there own?? why shouldn't we just fix all the issues of all misfortunes that befall those that are hurting !?!? I mean its the only right thing to do...how much do you want to give of your income?? 5% up front before taxes? At least you would get a deduction...heck barry might even send you a thank you letter.....

Sorry, not with US Tax dollars.....
 
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