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They often show the de-icing procees on the runways or at the gates when they do stories on snow storms or plane crashes. They mention the inflight sytems be don't seem to go into much detail on thier operation. Layoutshooter

I was not aware of that. I was under the impression that only a Wylde chamber could handle both rounds and I could only find that chamber on the Rock River stuff. You learned me sumthin' today!! :D A there special models that handle both or was I wrong on the other chamber? layoutshoooter

Yes, a chemical procees. It is far easier for them. They are restricted by thier very nature to limited road areas, runways. The de-icing machines are placed in such a way that they have to pass by them prior to take off. Also, some airlines do thier own de-icing. I think some aircraft also have...

I have heard that about the Rock River. I was interested because of the chamber being able to handle both 5.56mm military stuff as well as .223. I might be looking for a scope soon. I will be in touch. Only thing holding me back is money. HEY!! Maybe I can get a grant from Obama for all my...

Well, geez, at least the other two stories were real. Layoutshoooter

Oh, to be sure there is waste and duplication, it is, after all, a government agency. I do believe that had we left space exploration to private industry we would be living on Mars by now. There is more information sharing going on than you might think, I was involed with that on and off for a...

You would think so but many states are looking to pass laws, on the snow and ice problem, ONLY. Some are passing laws to cover loads as well. You can be sure of one thing thought, it will cost us money and truckers will ALWAYS lose in a law suit. Layoutshoooter

At last an insight to your thoughts. I am NOT a fringe person. I do not believe in attacking innocent people like McVey did. That was a senseless waste of human life. I do however do not agree with some of your analisys. This government can and will fall into tryanny. Every government does, it...

I do agree with you on how useless the UN is, I don't know about the NASA part. There have been a lot of spill over from NASA projects that we all enjoy on a daily basis. Like our small computers, new metals and alloys that keep our truck weight down, new medicines etc. One thing to keep in mind...

That has been brought up, Greg is of the belief that a truck does not produce enough power to do that. It would take a lot of power to melt exsiting ice, I don't know how much less it would take to stop ice from forming. Layoutshooter

The is an answer somewhere, shoot, if we keep kicking this around in here WE might come up with it!! Layoutshooter

That does work OVM but there are many areas of the U.S. and Canada that get snow and ice that do not have truck stops. There is a good and reletively inexpensive answer to the problem. It is sitting on the drawing board or computer of some backyard inventer. We just have to draw him out into the...

WHAT?? The posts in here have no value? I thought we were getting paid for this. MAN, what now? Your not going to tell me that no one of importance is reading these are you? LOL :( Layoutshooter

I PROMISE!! Raising my right hand high and the left hand on a bible!!! Your words are very much to the point. Layoutshooter

I do now Greg, I am self-employed!!!!! :D Layoutshooter

That is correct, the only question is which system allows me to keep the most of what I do earn and therefor allows me to retain as much power as I can. Having lived in a socialist country I can assure you that socialism does NOT. I live in what is susposed to be a capitalist country, where IF I...

That is on our list of "Things to Do" . Layoutshooter

You are right Greg, invader is the proper term. Layoutshooter

Funny yes, but in a very SAD and dangerous way. It is very sad to see just how far the media has degraded over the last several years. :( It has become almost impossible to find good, honest, balanced reporting on issues. I sure am tired of the media gushing over Obama, almost adoring him. That...

I agree Greg, there is no difference, now. There are several states that have passed or are working on passing laws that will INSURE that a truck is liable for ice damage. PA is one that is working on it. They are writing laws that are a litigaters dream. Are not a lot of legislators lawyers...